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Spacebar , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56
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Ah yes, the singer Conservatives canceled long before the same Conservatives started crying about being canceled for doing what she was protesting about and got canceled for.

Poob , in Kevin Spacey found not guilty in sex offences trial - BBC News

You are still allowed to dislike innocent people. The law is not morality.

Noughmad ,

He also wasn’t found “innocent”, but “not guilty”.

There’s a vast difference between that. Not guilty means that we can’t prove he’s guilty beyond reasonable doubt, not that we can prove that he’s innocent.

It’s still very likely he committed crimes, but we can’t be sure enough to send him to jail.

shalafi , (edited )

Came here to say this! With all we’ve heard about the man, I’d say he’s slam-dunk “not innocent”. BUT, he was found not guilty as charged.

People really get up in arms because they don’t know the difference. And it’s not just some legal shenanigans, it’s a real-world thing.

Another example is my sleezebag Congressman, Matt Gaetz. People act like he wasn’t prosecuted due to being in Congress, money, whatever. No, he wasn’t prosecuted due to lack of evidence and witness testimony.

Is he an innocent man? Fuck no. But that’s not enough to lock him up. Given the nature of the case, I wouldn’t have prosecuted either. About zero chance of a jury returning a guilty verdict. Pretty sad about it, I really hoped to see that man in orange.

Simulation6 ,

I have never heard about an “innocent” verdict, is that really a thing?

PopularUsername ,

They are just making a point. No such thing, just pointing out that criminal courts don’t prove innocence.

Heringssalat ,

I think the closest you get to that is if you counter-sue (or they get sued for lying in court, etc.) the accusers and win.

Son_of_dad ,

When Depp won against Heard, Reddit went full on circle jerk around Depp. Sure his ex was an abusive fuck, but that doesn’t excuse Depp’s horrendous actions and his general creepyness. Dude is 60 chasing after 20 year olds and complains when they’re immature. His ex may have been worse than him, but he’s still an abusive creep.

feedum_sneedson ,

semen (the body fluid)

Syndic ,

You are still allowed to dislike innocent people.

Just a small correction. Being not proven guilty doesn’t proves innocence. It just means that the accusation couldn’t be proven in court. That’s the price we pay for our justice system which tries to keep wrong convictions as small as possible, quite a few guilty people will walk free.

And I think in this case a guilty person walks free.

Nacktmull ,

So you have insider knowledge that the public is not aware of?

Syndic ,

No. But with these many accusations I really don’t need that to make an educated guess.

And nothing prevents me from doing so since I can’t do shit about that fucker beside not watching his movies.

Nacktmull ,

No. But with these many accusations I really don’t need that to make an educated guess.

So when a certain number of accusations against a person is reached that makes the accusations true? Funny logic … so at what number of accusations do they magically turn from being just accusations to being the truth?

And nothing prevents me from doing so since I can’t do shit about that fucker beside not watching his movies.

You really think he gives a shit if you watch his movies? Cute but please keep in mind the dude is super fucking rich and his estimated worth is about 70.000.000$.

Syndic ,

So when a certain number of accusations against a person is reached that makes the accusations true?

No, but much more likely.

You really think he gives a shit if you watch his movies? Cute but please keep in mind the dude is super fucking rich and his estimated worth is about 70.000.000$.

Yes? That’s my point!

Nacktmull ,

No, but much more likely.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Yes? That’s my point!

Ah, then I think I misunderstood you in that point.

Toneswirly ,

where there’s smoke, there is fire my friend

Nacktmull ,

So false accusations simply don´t exist in your world?

Rom ,
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Do you have proof these accusations were false? Remember, a not guilty verdict only means the evidence presented was insufficient for a conviction, and does not mean the accusations were not real.

Nacktmull ,

Correct - however, it also does not mean that the accusations are true.

Rom ,
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But in the case the original user clearly stated it was their opinion, not a fact. Individuals are allowed to have opinions of another person’s guilt, even if it differs from that of a jury.

Nacktmull ,

Sure and both are just opinions and not necessarily the truth.

admiralteal , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56

You're Wrong About did a really nice piece on her just in April, going over the history, the controversy that got her cancelled before "cancelling" was even a thing everyone talked about (because she protested the Catholic Church's sex abuse in Ireland before the Spotlight stories were even a thing), and just generally her life story: https://yourewrongabout.buzzsprout.com/1112270/12624780-sinead-o-connor-with-allyson-mccabe

Worth a listen if you like that kind of thing. She was an amazing person that got repeatedly done dirty by the industry and cultural zeitgeist and this death is a tragedy.

YoBuckStopsHere , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56
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I’ll never forget she tried to warn everyone of the abuse the Catholic Church was committing and everyone shunned her for it. A true hero.

Saprophyte ,
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I remember Joe Pesci was the SNL host the next week and told the audience he would have assaulted her if he was there when she did it. I have always been confused both by his statement and by the audience’s subsequent laughter. And then within a few years, everyone found out she was right and her career never recovered.

Hera , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56

Too young. Far too young. I appreciate her voice and the harm she called attention to. Long live Sinead O’Connor.

TheHighRoad , in Like a hot tub: Water temperatures off Florida soar over 100 degrees
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I swear, if those lizard lovers get their state destroyed and leave Georgia more vulnerable I’m gonna be pissed.

TheTango , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56

She led a difficult life and clearly dealt with emotional issues throughout it, from being a troubled youth, to someone who was never entirely comfortable with her fame, to most recently the loss of her son (I think he was 17?). Sadly, and it bothers me to say this, I won’t be surprised if it is announced that she took her own life.

She was an INCREDIBLE talent. “The Lion and the Cobra” which had Mandinka and “I Want Your (Hands On Me)” were staples of college radio when the album came out. Most of us know her for her cover of Prince’s “Nothing Compares 2 U” but her original work was nothing short of amazing.

soyagi OP , in Irish singer Sinéad O'Connor dies aged 56

Cause of death hasn’t been given, but I have a sad feeling I know what it is :/

4am ,
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RIP, the world should have believed you about the Catholic Church

rapscallion , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56

Her son, Shane, died by suicide last year at age 17.

That poor family.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

She always seemed to me like the poster child for the phrase “tortured soul.” Such a sad story.

Blackbeard , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56
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Holy shit. She got invited to do the theme song for the most recent season of Outlander, and she nailed it. Was just telling my wife about her pope photo incident just this week. So young.

AttackBunny ,

I guess at least she lived long enough to be vindicated for the reason she was cancelled.

That had to be both infuriating and a relief, to some degree. Her career was destroyed/damaged for no good reason. So personally I’d be livid but at the same time, the see, I was right, had to feel kinda oddly good.

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  • AttackBunny ,

    Yeah, there are people that still say the earth is flat, cheetosupreme won the election, and we never landed on the moon, doesn’t make them any less stupid. They will never accept reality so their opinion is irrelevant imo.

    The people back then, that didn’t really know what the Catholic Church was up to, are wildly different than now. It was a lot easier for them to keep shit hidden back then. And they had enough control, even then, to make sure anyone that stood up was “cancelled”.

    I don’t remember what year it happened but I remember it happening, vividly. And I also remember the swift rebuttal by famous people and the church alike demonizing her, which people didn’t know much better than to go along with and believe. It was a teenage against everyone basically.

    transmatrix , in Sinéad O’Connor, Irish Singer of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U,’ Dies at 56

    Too young :-(

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    OldWoodFrame , in FOMC Raises Fed Target rate to 5.25% to 5.5% in July 2023 meeting.

    Very expected, hopefully they’re done. I suspect this is to cover their butts for when inflation month-to-month goes up a bit, which is likely given that core cpi is higher than headline inflation.

    OldWoodFrame , in Kevin Spacey acquitted of all charges in London sex offense trial

    In the Rapp accusations he was found not legally liable too which is probably the right thing to do legally with the evidence at hand but the fact remains that there were two separate complaints (unrelated to the 9 in the UK) about him hitting on underage boys, you are allowed to think he’s probably a creepy dude while agreeing that we don’t want to put people in jail if we aren’t certain they have committed a crime.

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