I’d say they increased their distress, they were naive too. Living off the land is a major commitment and requires skill and knowledge. People in the past still used trade and tribes to survive that way. Even back then they didn’t try to live in something as flimsy as a tent. Also, going 100% solo was a death sentence. Reminds me of Chris McCandless (“Into the Wild”).
Sounds like this wasn’t thought through and was perhaps an emotional decision. True off-grid living takes lots of knowledge and prep. Surviving 100 days is basically conservation of resources to last till the e d. Off grid still requires shelter and resources.
For once though, their motives seem more noble/less crazy than most of the headlines. Heck, a bunch of us are here on Lemmy cause we got fed up with a system and want something better. At least they wanted something better.
I knew a guy who went to Montana to try the “cabin off the grid” life. He said we was drinking before noon after a few weeks and was in danger of becoming an alcoholic out of boredom so he moved back.
I could see that. I think the off the grid thing has been glorified by people who haven’t actually done it.
I mean, Id like to run off into the hills sometimes, but I’d probably run right back due to some combination of boredom, weather, starvation, and running out of alcohol.
Can confirm, live in Montana. Cabins are great…during the summer months. Winter rolls around and you better be prepared to be cut off from everything for a few months. Plus it’s cold as fuck. Last year where I live, we consistently saw -20F and stayed below 0F for weeks at a time. Winter here sucks, but it keeps out the riff raff for the most part ;)
Another article I read stated that the incomplete beginnings of a lean-to or similar shelter were present at the camp, seems like they tried to build something more permanent but ran out of energy to finish it. Which is why you build your shelter first.
I feel for the kid, who got dragged down by the hubris of his mom. It’s troubling that we’ve grown so disconnected from the world we’ve built; we dont feel like we benefit from it at all. We can all sit here and shame this mother for being neglectful and stupid, and yet the feelings she had of a chaotic life with no upside…that’s so fucking common right now.
Its a commonly floated idea among my circles, and by me personally, that we kinda just want to fuck off and build a comfy commune somewhere not too hot, not too cold, just away from cities, and try to be as self-sufficient as possible. Just a small group of friends and family. It’s kinda what I’m saving up for, if I’m honest, because buying a city house is just… Prohibitively expensive for what it is.
Probably easier to survive in a commune of a few dozen than it would be in tents with 3 people. But yeah I think a lot of us have had dreams of fucking off to the wilds to live like a hermit.
I would probably last like 3 days and only if I’m being extremely optimistic.
The problem is that ‘we’ didn’t build this world. Our society was (is) shaped by people who’s situation and life experience have very little in common with the average person, and yet we continue to let them shape policy to their own benefit and our detriment because… money? Or something? Idk.
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Right, but that’s for your personal privacy, not your legal protection. If a weed company calls itself Cheshire Garden Supplies instead of Weed Weedersons Weed Emporium then that doesn’t stop the fact that you bought stuff from a weed dispensary from being a federal crime if push comes to shove. All I’m saying is that cash seems the naturally more sensible option either way.
I don’t live in the US… but if at a certain time the federal government decides to go backwards and wants to charge cannabis purchasers with federal crimes then you’re ready to be served up on a platter by your bank.
The context here is payment method, not your willingness to support legal cannabis dispensers.
That would be a pretty big list of people at this point. I don’t think it would even be possible to charge all of them. It’s just unrealistic especially since it’s legal in the state. Possible but unlikely.
You say that, but historically cannabis related charges in particular have been used to target specific parts of the population and individuals. It’s the sort of thing that could be exploited nefariously at a convenient moment. Perhaps I’m reading too much in to it.
I disagree. The federal government has shown every willingness to go after all of us. Imagine a 1000 dollar fine for every pot transaction. You can fight it if you want but that would risk criminal charges. So you take the plea deal.
Agree. Which is why if the federal government decides to put a clamp down on cannabis use, they’re not going to prosecute thousands of users. Prosecuting three or four card payment processing companies and the banks they do business with would have an icy cold chilling effect and bring the industry’s cash flows to a dead stop.
What if dozens/hundreds of individuals were prosecuted for possession of a controlled substance because the DEA a) subpoenas the suppliers to get a list of transactions and B) subpoenas the credit card processors to get info on customers?
Because that’s the fear
This is extremely unlikely under the current admin, but we may very well have a far more hostile admin in just under 18 months
And you haven’t worked in pollution reduction, I see.
Just because it is tough, doesn’t mean you get a pass. These companies decided to collect all this data, they are responsible for keeping it secure. Just like companies that do any kinda chemical processing are responsible for what they unleash.
What would be ideal would be more political leaders seeing their data compromised. Maybe then we will start seeing fines for companies that think IT security doesn’t matter.
Acknowledging the weather would be start, they don’t even need to acknowledge climate change. Just realize that when it’s over 98 degrees and you plan on a full day of hiking in the wilderness…
Bring a bunch of water and take plenty of breaks in the shade.
Just make informed choices. Want to visit Death Valley! That’s great! It’s a beautiful park worth seeing. But don’t go in the middle of summer, go in fall or winter when the daytime peak temperatures will be much more comfortable.
If you MUST go in the summer, plan ahead. Bring several gallons of water with you per person, plenty of sunscreen, ideally a hat and sunglasses, and lightweight, breathable clothing that won’t trap your sweat and body heat. And on top of that, make sure your car is up to date with maintenance and can comfortably drive when the temperature outside is 110+. To have all bases covered, it would also be worth investing in a satellite phone- not all national parks have cellular coverage. In my experience, cell service is extremely spotty to non-existent inside of national parks.
I think education is important. I think they should force everyone to watch a 10 minute movie about how people die in parks. Make is very graphic to drive the point home. Like those drivers education movies.
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I’m not sure that’s how that works. I think if you just have a layover and you remain in the secure area of the airport, you’re not technically passing through a point of entry and only required a visa for your final destination.
That is only marginally better. I have had near whole day layovers in Europe. The only thing that didn’t drive me insane was that I could walk outdoors.
The fact that a hiker found one and the other two weren’t found until the next day makes me think that one left to try and get help, froze to death, and the other 2 died waiting.
Apparently this was during winter. If they got hit by bad weather unprepared, they might not have had any options left once they realized they were fucked.
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