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Aceticon , in This isn't theft of need. A more insidious type of crime is pushing some stores to close

The greatest theft which is causing thousands of stores to close is called rent-inflation, only that stuff is 100% legal because the politicians themselves often get more income from their “realestate investor” side occupation that from politics.

kandoh , in The Biden administration is expected to keep cap on refugees admitted to the US at 125,000

Great way to encourage more illegal immigration, which in turn creates an easily exploitable workforce. Win win for the ruling class.

Actaeon , in Chinese hackers stole emails from US State Dept in Microsoft breach, Senate staffer says

Something something state department.
Something something private e-mail server.

KingThrillgore , in Biden says UAW should fight for 40% pay raise in Michigan strike visit
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Where were you when the railworkers wanted to strike?

JokeDeity , in ‘Unconscionable’: Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate ‘not seen since the Great Depression’ — here’s what’s driving this terrible trend

Kek.

PatFussy , in California Gov. Gavin Newsom signs law to protect doctors who mail abortion pills to other states

Im pretty sure this is federally illegal/unconstitutional. You cant undermine a states law ex post facto as per section 10.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

This law reminds me of a similar issue before the civil war. From what I remember, the issue was that northern states were forced to send people that escaped enslavement back to the south. The north was sick of that crap, stopped, and the south got upset and formed their failed cessation.

PatFussy , (edited )

Sending people as a human right violation that they saw breaking the rules set by declaration of independence. Yes the underground railroad was breaking constitutional habeas corpus rules but they were also breaking rules of common man.

Agin may be wrong but i remember that the north used this as the justification for harboring fugitives. This doesnt hold for this case , though, as its breaking interstate ex post facto laws. Its also breaking full faith and credit as stipulated by article IV in the constitution.

www.law.cornell.edu/wex/full_faith_and_credit#:~:….

I have a feeling supreme court will come into play here pretty soon.

dragonflyteaparty ,

So do you likewise feel it’s illegal for Texas to punish women who cross state lines to get an abortion?

PatFussy ,

No because you are free to move between states asvyou wish. Whatever you do in a state is privy to the states laws of which they are in. Its kinda like how you can go to utah, get a polygamist marriage and if you go back to any other state you will go to jail.

dragonflyteaparty ,

Wow, that’s so messed up. To say a person who has a residence in one state committed a crime in another state and can never go back lest they go to jail.

PatFussy ,

Im pretty sure marriage is binding so in this case if you did something that is considered illegal in another state then you get the penalty. Then again, i may be wrong. Dont downvote me just because you dont like the outcome… if I am wrong then prove me wrong.

jaybone ,

They should try it again. Only this time we should let them go.

TWeaK ,

Well the offense is being committed outside of the state where the law is. You could also argue that the states banning abortions are the ones infringing on federal law and constitutional rights, because they’re trying to enforce their laws on doctors living outside their jurisdiction.

PatFussy ,

Can you get in trouble for sending a small amount of methamphetamine through the mail for someone in California to consume if you live in Oregon? Its legal in Oregon. Why should Oregon lawmakers punish the person sending the meth if its only illegal in California?

ryathal ,

The USPS will happily punish you for that action.

PatFussy ,

I shouldnt have used a fedrally illegal substance as an example 😀

I suppose if this is not seen as illegal then they should also make buying prescription drugs from out of country legal. This ends war on drugs right? Right?

vaultdweller013 ,

This is still a bad example due to how state and federal law works. A better example would be me buying an old school steel jerry can from say Idaho and having it shipped to where I live here in California. Even though the sale of such jerry cans are illegal in California ownership isnt, and I didnt buy it from an instate vendor.

Also I dont know if old school steel jerry cans are illegal in Idaho I was just using it as an example, they are illegal to sell in California.

TWeaK ,

Yes but the example here would be someone in Cali ordering a jerry can from Idaho and the company in Idaho mailing it to Cali. Travelling to Idaho to buy a jerry can and bring it back would be fine, but in this case getting it to Cali is a part of the purchase. The purchase is being made across state lines for something that is legal in the state the transaction is made (Idaho) but illegal in the state it’s sent to (Cali). It basically boils down to whether the act of mailing is illegal, I think.

I’m sure there must be an established precedent or something already.

vaultdweller013 ,

Perhaps I explained it a tad badly, but that was exactly what I was trying to say.

charonn0 ,
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That would be a federal crime.

TWeaK ,

I get what your saying. Obviously your example doesn’t quite work, because meth is illegal in both states and federally. What we’re looking for is something legal federally and in one state, but not the other. I’m sure there must be some established precedent for this kind of thing.

ShittyRedditWasBetter ,

No, you’ll just get down votes with no explanation. You are referring to that.

constitution.congress.gov/…/ALDE_00013632/#:~:tex….

PatFussy ,

After thinking about it, yeah you are right i think it would fall there. Am i wrong though like is this not applicable?

Edit: didnt realize i linked to the same thing

charonn0 ,
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I disagree and here’s why.

The 10th amendment does not constrain the state governments, and this is not an ex post facto law.

States are not required to enforce the laws of other states, and generally do not have any legal standing to challenge other states’ laws.

It is generally not legal for a state to prosecute someone for actions that took place outside of their jurisdiction.

PatFussy ,

The problem is this is akin to aiding and abetting on interstate level as an after the fact.

Article four section two states that judges are not allowed to overrule interstate law.

charonn0 ,
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Article four section two states that judges are not allowed to overrule interstate law.

I don’t see that.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

PatFussy , (edited )

Sorry I meant section 1 with full faith and credit. NAL so idunno wtf im talking about but section 2 seems that this only applies to people fleeing

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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It's probably fine, as I understand it. The law only concerns what parties under state jurisdiction may do. Federal authorities, which would be involved in an inter-state arrest like this, would not be affected.

It's similar to sanctuary city laws, which simply state that city and state officials from cooperating with federal immigration authorities. They don't make it illegal for those workers to operate; they simply make those officials do all the work themselves.

PatFussy ,

You see, sanctuary cities works because thats for human bodies not pills. This is why Texas is allowed to ship undocumented people to different states without reprecussion. However, protecting people for illegal actions done in other states is not OK. If its illegal to take the medication in Utah after 18 weeks, California needs to respect that.

dragonflyteaparty ,

No, California doesn’t. This line of thinking allowed and tried to enforce slavery.

PatFussy ,

As i have said in another comment, the wau I understand it is laws pertaining to housing bodies is not the same as laws of actions. Much like how owning a slave is one form of illegal and human trafficing is another. Even though they might mean the same thing, they are treated differently.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

The fundamental point is that it is not the responsibility of California to enforce the laws of Utah. If Utah wants enforcement, they can do it themselves through the appropriate channels, namely federal law enforcement and by dealing with people who actually fall under its jurisdiction, which California doctors do not.

PatFussy ,

I just think those doctors might get hit with a federal crime to go around state laws. Its like saying its ok for a company to sell interstate without taxes as long as the state doesnt find out wink wink

Edit: also, it is a crime to break the law in another state. A california judge would need to abide by laws made in another. If you get caught speeding in Nevada you would still be able to see a judge about it in New York.

halferect ,

A judge in New York would not see you about anything that isn’t a crime not committed in new York. Crimes have to be tried in the state where they took place. Law enforcement from different states may work together to bring you to that state where the crime happened but if the law enforcement in the state you are in doesn’t recognize the laws from that state then they can’t basically go fuck themselves and as long as you stay outta that state you’re good to go

NatakuNox ,
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How exactly does it undermine another states law. And do those state laws count only for residents of the state? Is a pregnant woman passing through a probirth state have the same legal responsibility? What if the fetus was consived in the state? What if I mail a pill to a man in a state and he misplaced the pill?

verdantbanana , in Biden says UAW should fight for 40% pay raise in Michigan strike visit
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

Only doing this because of the upcoming election year. What about the rest of us?

politifact.com/…/increase-federal-minimum-wage-15…

The American people deserve better than another demopublican. There are other colors and letters besides blue and red and d and r.

dangblingus , in Michael Gambon, 'Harry Potter' actor who played Dumbledore, dies at 82

Damn, I was literally just having a conversation about Michael Gambon yesterday. Spooky. RIP.

1847953620 ,

That’s not spooky. It’s the law of large numbers.

Pyr_Pressure , in 'Be careful with feeding wildlife': Jupiter man attacked by rabid otter

Don’t be careful when feeding wildlife, don’t feed wildlife

FlyingSquid OP ,
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But then how will I poison the pigeons in the park?

SilentSeven , in Michael Gambon, 'Harry Potter' actor who played Dumbledore, dies at 82

Of motorsport fame as well…namesake of Top Gear’s Gambon corner!

rafadavidc ,

corner

Thank you, ctrl+f did not fail me today.

Starb3an ,

That was my immediate thought

atempuser23 , in Biden says UAW should fight for 40% pay raise in Michigan strike visit

This could be the start of something good. The 40% number isn’t out of thin air. It is the amount the CEO got his pay raised to . Unions can tie exec raises to worker pay in a way that boards aren’t doing.

Luvs2Spuj ,

I agree if its done correctly.

Got to be careful about execs getting paid through shares. My CEO gets millions in shares but only gets paid like 120k. This gets reused in certain indexes and pitched as being a decent ratio of executive to drone pay ratios.

atempuser23 ,

True, but unions as an external force can simply state the exec total pay package rose by 25% in value. “pay us” The problem has been looking to the boards installed by investors to cut their own pay. My hope is boards will cool down on huge exec bonuses if it means they may have to do the same for workers.

BugleFingers , in ‘Unconscionable’: Baby boomers are becoming homeless at a rate ‘not seen since the Great Depression’ — here’s what’s driving this terrible trend

“The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed”

However, my Bugles are always lubed by my frothing salivating mouth. I’m a bit hungry and getting weird, sorry you had to read that.

ZenkorSoraz , in Michael Gambon, 'Harry Potter' actor who played Dumbledore, dies at 82

He reaches Kings Cross Station

dragonflyteaparty ,

He’ll get where he’s going. 😢

brygphilomena , in X makes cuts to disinformation and election integrity team

Didn’t the EU just blast them in the last week or two for the amount of disinformation on their site?

alienanimals ,

Elon Musk will do literally anything to stay in the 24 hour news cycle. Idiots lap it up.

tallwookie , in Evergrande halts share trading as woes mount for China’ property giant

it’s surprising that they were allowed to resume trading at all. that company’s finances are super sketchy, and the past/current issues are directly the fault of the CCP (or corrupt elements of the CCP if dont want to generalize, but it amounts to the same thing).

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