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DmMacniel , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it
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So he wouldn’t care if democracy would go down the drain? Fuck that guy.

girlfreddy ,
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That’s what happens when you mix up the Democractic Party and democracy, believing they’re the same thing.

Hint: they are not.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Who in their right mind thinks they are?

Xtallll , in US dismantles Russian government-backed AI disinformation campaign
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In other news there was a precipitous drop in active Lemmy accounts.

barkingspiders , in AOC files articles of impeachment against Supreme Court Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito

Fantastic, I know this probably won’t go anywhere but this is the right thing to do regardless. SCOTUS needs to be held accountable to the American people for their actions. We grant them extraordinary power and that must come with extraordinary accountability. Holding them to a lower standard than any judge in a lesser court is ridiculous. The higher the court, the higher the standards should be.

ghostdoggtv , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it

If you think democracy is a partisan act then you’re a fascist traitor.

Dkarma ,

Beyond that what does he think fascists will do to the heads of the heads of newspapers they don’t like???

ChicoSuave ,

A key factor in supporting fascism is a deep lack of foresight.

jonne ,

Or thinking you can “control” the fascist leader. It’s a mistake the German right made, and there’s a similar dynamic of underestimating Trump as well.

ghostdoggtv ,

Both parties are doing this with each other. Shit is about to go down.

billiam0202 ,

“Why are you coming for us? We stayed nonpartisan!”

“Yeah, that means you were against us 50% of the time. Now march to the camps.”

orcrist ,

It’s much worse than 50%. Non partisan is pro establishment. And the establishment doesn’t give a damn about most Americans most of the time.

pdxfed ,

He’s thinking about the benefits to those the administration does like. Goebbels was a brilliant manipulator and slow boiled the frog in Germany until he had normalized what was happening. Trump and Putin both need enormous machines to keep their operation running.

Taco2112 , in Colorado public health officials confirm new case of human plague

Shit, someone gets the plague here every year, it’s even more common in New Mexico.

When I first moved to Colorado, I was definitely surprised the first time I saw something about bubonic plague in the headlines but I’ve lived here long enough that it’s just something that happens every year or so, it’s pretty much always isolated and most of the time the person recovers.

More people die hiking in this state than from plague and I don’t think that’s going to stop people from hiking anytime soon. Same with skiing and I’ll be on the slopes come winter.

Corvidae , in Kroger and Albertsons to close these 63 grocery stores in California under proposed merger

I sure hope this doesn’t go through. Albertsons is already too big, their regular prices are high, although their sale prices are okay, they make their customers jump through hoops to get those sale prices. I miss Lucky.

return2ozma OP ,
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Lucky was great!

girlfreddy , in Feds poised to sue pharmacy gatekeepers over high drug costs
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Good. About fucking time the FTC targeted these ghouls.

catloaf , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it

Ohhhh, so he’s why the NYT went to shit all of a sudden.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Not sure if that’s a /s but he’s why they’re not going to do anything good at this time when we need it most.

On first read, I got him confused with the Murdochican stooge the Washington Post just hired to bring in all his buddies and screw up that paper.

I thought 2016 would have taught them a lot of lessons, but it doesn’t look like it. Of course, everytime there’s a disastrous political fucksplosion (Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and the orange rapist) I think everyone’s going learn something from it. Maybe but goddamn.

Aqarius ,

Why would they? Did any of it affect them negatively?

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

You’ll have to define “affect” and “negatively” but I would say there was a brief moment where on-air personalities apologized for sucking and even the NYT published a long piece about “what they could have done better”.

For anyone who pays attention to the “inside baseball” world of news, journalism, media, whatever - yeah they fucked up royal and knew it. Of course, they spent the trump administration forgetting that and normalizing his insanity, and of course here we are in the blender again even after his coup, his fraud, his national security burning self is A GODDAMNED FACT and yet - nothing. Not even a footnote in any story.

Aqarius ,

I’d define it as “people getting fired and profit being lost”. If neither the people involved nor the overarching corporate entity suffered greater cost that the benefit, then the endeavour was a net gain, regardless of externalities.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Oh I see how you mean - no, they made out like bandits as usual and some wily interwebs commenter sniped them for it.

sunzu , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it

That's some useless drama lol

FYI

NYT is the original genocide deniers!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Deceptichum , in Zelenskyy: Seeing children die makes me want to kill Putin
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Odd that he so ardently supports Israel despite them mostly killing children.

Wiz ,

Thank you for today’s whataboutism!

Mihies ,

It’s not whataboutism. Zelensky should have said just Ukrainian children, not any children.

RagingSnarkasm , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it

The First Amendment is a political document and Joe Kahn should not benefit from the protections it affords.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

No one ever thought we’d have to legislate telling the goddamned truth.

NoIWontPickAName ,

The fuck we didn’t, that’s why perjury is a thing.

It’s just not illegal to lie to people

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Er, well, in court is a whole other thing from in the press. But - point taken. There’s at least precedent if you’ll pardon the expression.

Aqarius ,

It used to be illegal in the press too, IIRC ReagN abolished it.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

?? Not sure which you mean

Aqarius ,

I’m thinking of the fairness doctrine

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

I don’t think the fairness doctrine legislated “truth” as such, though torpedoing it did usher in media conglomeration, talk radio fascism and a host of related bullshit. If it did, though that’d be interesting.

fartington , in Zelenskyy: Seeing children die makes me want to kill Putin

I saw someone else point this out. Did you see all the skinhead children there? Putin was just denazifying that hospital.

DudeImMacGyver ,
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Big if true

oxjox , (edited ) in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it
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MOTHERFUCKER - JOURNALISM IS THE FOURTH PILLAR OF DEMOCRACY. ITS YOUR LITERAL ONE JOB - TO DEFEND IT.

It’s our job to cover the full range of issues that people have. At the moment, democracy is one of them. But it’s not the top one — immigration happens to be the top [of polls], and the economy and inflation is the second.

Ah, that’s your problem right there. And this is going to be the major issue for generations to come. The algorithms are determining what’s popular and will generate content to maintain engagement. What used to happen is news rooms would find important stories and report on them then the people would read those stories to determine what actually matters in their lives.

I subscribe to my local paper. The mobile app is essentially ‘what the people want’. Meanwhile, the newspaper itself (print or digital) has almost entirely different content and it’s certainly organized differently. When I want to learn about things in my community and the world - the reason I subscribe to a newspaper in the first place - I read the paper, not the app. The app is just like a blog.

It’s incredibly frustrating how far our fourth pillar of democracy has fallen.

Blackbeard ,
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That’s exactly the problem. Kahn and his crew determine what’s a “top issue” the same way the rest of us do, through algorithm-driven engagement. There’s a reason all the major outlets placed a “trending” chyron at the top of their homepages years ago, and that’s because they’re specifically tailoring their coverage to whatever generates traffic on their and other’s websites. Each editor is, after all, a human whose understanding of the world is driven by the content that shows up on their phone, their computer screen, and their television. The fact that media is curated through a narrowing window of social media platforms means that the things that pop onto their radar will be algorithm-influenced. Even if they stepped back and only accepted what polls highly, they’d have to either perform their own real-time polling (yeah right) or point to other polls for emphasis, the results of which have been filtered and amplified according to algorithmic engagement. This is only going to get worse as AI starts to influence the algorithm in real time and we become more and more susceptible to hive-mind coverage where the tail wags the dog.

This is part of the reason 21st century media has skewed so heavily toward sensationalism since 9/11, because for some ungodly reason they’ve decided that their job is to react to the news, rather than create it. Fuck them. Their spineless “neutrality” is a tool Trump & Co. learned how to play like a fiddle from day one, and by refusing to even entertain the possibility of assisting the left, they’ve obsequiously and unconsciously become the right’s most potent weapon. They are the harbingers of fascism in America, and they’re still too fucking dense to see what’s coming.

oxjox ,
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Fantastic 👏👏👏

To add to that, all I keep seeing in the news is about Biden’s poor performance. Yeah, we knoooow. Can we maybe get some coverage of the report of Trump raping a child or how many mentions he has on Epstein’s list? Is there anything else going on in the world we should know about? All the news is doing is grabbing hold of the most sensational topic that every other outlet is reporting on speculating about so they don’t lose ratings / clicks.

The world we live in is not about genuine creativity or challenging perspectives or journalistic responsibility. All we have going forward is what generates ad revenue. What’s “engaging”. And our dumbass brains only care about dopamine. So anything that challenges us to think outside the box is too difficult for us to engage with. The corporations and special interest groups have won. I wouldn’t be too worried about climate change at this point, kids. I doubt you’ll be aware of your surrounds enough to realize what’s going on around you.

I’m just hoping for a new Age of Enlightenment. Maybe people will realize that having everyone else do the thinking for us isn’t such a great idea.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

I’m just hoping for a new Age of Enlightenment. Maybe people will realize that having everyone else do the thinking for us isn’t such a great idea.

That sounds wonderful. However I’m not expecting it anytime soon.

homesweethomeMrL OP , (edited )

Another part is just straight up computer illiteracy. You can bet Kahn wouldn’t know an algorithm if it bit him in the ass.

What that translates to is an unfamiliarity with how social media works - or rather a distorted familiarity.

It’s the exact same reason it took federal courts a decade to decide Microsoft was a monopoly, and we still have this problem in any legal situation. Judges and newspaper editors know sweet fuck all about how the modern world communicates. Or rather, what they know is an extreme distortion.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

It’s incredibly frustrating how far our fourth pillar of democracy has fallen.

You can say that again.

Jerkface ,

From the article

University of Illinois professor Nicholas Grossman wrote:
Biden’s age isn’t among voters’ top issues in polls, but the NY Times made it a recurring top story anyway. Voters sure didn’t say they care about the president of Harvard, but the Times made that the number one story for days. When NYT editors care, they don’t defer to polls.

Blackbeard , in New York Times editor Joe Kahn says defending democracy is a partisan act and he won’t do it
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Some responses to Kahn’s lunacy:

What most people want is for the media to spend less time on the horserace and more time on the stakes of this election; and to specifically call out the threat that is a second Trump presidency. There have been a lot of very good stories, but there could always be more. In general — and this is a complaint I have had about the New York Times that is two decades old — I wish they would take good faith criticism from the Left with as much seriousness as they take bad faith criticism from the Right.

Kahn seems to think that polls about what people see as the most important issue should, at least in part, guide the paper’s decisions about what to cover. As a snapshot in time that sounds appropriate; if Americans care deeply about health care access, the Times should make sure to cover the issue of health care access. The problem comes in which way the causal arrow runs. Most of the time, news media don’t cover particular topics because the public thinks they’re important. The public thinks particular topics are important because the media are covering them.1 This is called “agenda setting,” known by communication scholars as one of the most important effects news media produce. As political scientist Bernard Cohen wrote in 1963, the press “may not be successful much of the time in telling people what to think, but it is stunningly successful in telling its readers what to think about.”

That’s a lot to unpack — probably too much to do so in the limited space we have here. But, suffice to say, Kahn’s answer feels overtly disingenuous. It is, of course, entirely feasible to express concerns about Trump’s anti-democratic rhetoric and acknowledge them in a real way without morphing into a “propaganda arm” for President Joe Biden. In fact, I am not aware of anyone who has called for The NYT to treat Biden like Fox News treats Trump (an aside, but has Kahn’s outlet yet worked up the courage to label Fox News “propaganda” or is that only a term that gets thrown around when smacking down straw men?). As Hunter Walker posted on Threads, “If we agree that democracy is an objective good then, we must also grapple with what it means that Trump has tried to stay in power a different way. We need to be clear about authoritarian and even fascistic tendencies. This can, in fact, be objective.” To be fair to Kahn, he is not the only news chief dodging the uncomfortable math before him. I’m not aware of any major newsroom leader who has discussed its complexities openly in public. But it is worth asking: If newsrooms are pro-democracy, and if their reporting indicates one candidate is opposed to democratic values, how can they feign ignorance on the 2024 race?

No one is asking you to join the Biden campaign, stop covering the flaws and foibles of Democratic candidates up and down the ballot, or to run a bunch of puff pieces about those candidates. But we are asking you to make it clearer — in coverage, and in emphasis and framing, and, yes, in your public statements — that your news organization is aware of the threats to democracy on the ballot in November. And that it is a core part of your mission to stand for democratic principles and to have news coverage reflect that consistently.

homesweethomeMrL OP ,

Kahn seems to think that polls about what people see as the most important issue should, at least in part, guide the paper’s decisions about what to cover. As a snapshot in time that sounds appropriate;

If that time is 1975. Looking at polls to drive the narrative is the dumbest thing to do in 2024. Polls are complete garbage.

robocall , in Colorado public health officials confirm new case of human plague
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Stop hugging the squirrels and forest critters to avoid the plague.

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