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A_Random_Idiot ,

I cant wait to see who the Republicans try to impeach in their childish and inevitable retaliation.

psivchaz ,

If we’re doing a betting pool, I’m putting my money on Ketanji Brown Jackson.

akakunai ,

What makes you say that? 🤔 /s

anon_8675309 ,

Hunter.

NocturnalMorning ,

I wish there was a way to get rid of corrupt judges at the highest level that wasn’t a political process. I never understood the lifetime appointments anyway. It hasn’t done anything to keep them from being partisan.

Maggoty ,

The American founders didn’t have good understanding of civil service type stuff back then. Coming from Britain there was a bureaucracy but if I’m remembering my history right it was mostly staffed by nobles who needed jobs and the overriding concern was that money should keep coming into the government. Especially from the colonies. This was actually part of the reason we ended up in a war for our independence. It may not have gone differently with a direct line, but we had to go through the undersecretary to the undersecretary to communicate with the British government. Which effectively made sure our concerns were never heard by the King until we petitioned him directly. Then he consulted his top advisor who also had not heard any concerns previously and they concluded the petition was worthless. To which we decided property destruction was the answer and cue the escalations.

So what our founders wanted was an independent civil service, but they had no idea how to make one. They only knew about patronage systems. And the one lethal blow to any patronage system is to say you can hold this position for as long as you want, as long as you’re not corrupt. They knew it wasn’t perfect. And they openly said we should be holding Constitutional Conventions on the regular to improve on things like this. For the record the two competing models are to lean into partisanship and hold elections, or run the judiciary as a technocracy with limited sovereignty. So the judges would actually figure out the supreme court and lower courts themselves in that system. Much like our military does now.

Both of those systems have their pros and cons but importantly, none of them stop determined ideological assaults on the institution. By the time you are hiring people it is too late to stop that. They’ve already been indoctrinated and they aren’t going to tell the truth about it publicly. (For example all the judges that overturned Roe v Wade, said it was settled law or something similar in their confirmation hearings. Then they flipped the literal second they had the majority on an abortion case.) You have to stop indoctrination at the source, in education. Which is why there’s such a huge push by conservative Christians to destroy public schools.

Anyways that’s probably more than you wanted. TL;DR is it was the best system they had at the time, and they could not have foreseen fuckery like capping congress which obliterated the idea of actually representing the local views in a national body.

deltapi ,

There is. It’s illegal and it’s illegal to advocate for it, and it’s illegal to encourage someone else to do it. So I don’t wouldn’t do it, I don’t talk about it except in vague terms, and I don’t think you should do it either.

sparkle ,

but… the declaration of independence says we have a duty to do it! Surely the founding fathers would approve…

Delusional ,

Yeah here we have clearly obviously openly corrupt judges deciding on the biggest decisions of the land and nothing can seemingly be done to fix it. The system is broken.

megopie ,

I doubt this will go very far with the red controlled house. But I’m happy to have something new to occupy the news cycle other than bucking about switching candidates.

TheFin ,

About time

craigers ,
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AB👏SO👏FUCKING👏LUTELY

ToucheGoodSir , (edited )

Well, she is trying her best at least to do* her job.

JohnOliver ,

We need an AOC superhero sape!

badbytes ,

AOC might make me a Democrat again.

some_guy ,

This will go nowhere. Oh, wait. I forgot that I live in a fake democracy. Sad face.

derpgon ,

Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can’t do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can’t deal with it psychologically.

finestnothing ,

Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

Still not a democracy, you just described a Republic, which is what we’ve always officially been even if die hard patriots prefer to say democracy

Those in power bribe, threaten, and lie, and we can’t do shit about it because the actual hood guys end due to harassment or threats and can’t deal with it psychologically.

Plutocracy in action

derpgon ,

Either way, society is fucked until we got nothing left but to revolt - but that will never happen, as the carrot is being dangled all the time.

phoenixz ,

A democracy where people vote directly on each issue isn’t practical and would likely backfire. You want to vote for people to temporarily represent you.

Having said that, the way the US does democracy and has been doing it for, say, the last century, is beyond my comprehension and just plain retarded. Especially since Reagan already, the elections are more about show than content, and all presidents since Reagan (that devil included) have been … Well, just dumb showmen, Obama excluded, perhaps.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

I think more than a few “patriots” feel the need to point out that we’re a republic, not a democracy.

“Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.”

Because the idea that people should get a say is ridiculous.

It’s figuring out how to maintain dominance with a minority of support. And so, in that sense, I think the rhetoric is really telling. It’s a way of rationalizing the further entrenchment of minority rule.

“Too much democracy” interferes with their plans.

TheKingBombOmbKiller ,

Oh it is a democracy, but not “direct democracy”. We don’t choose what happens, we just choose who decides what happens.

Still not a democracy, you just described a Republic, which is what we’ve always officially been even if die hard patriots prefer to say democracy

What are you talking about? The people electing representatives that makes the final decisions is called “representative democracy”. A republic is a form of representative democracy. A constitutional monarchy, like you find a lot of in Europe, is another form of representative democracy that fit the original description, without being republics.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

I would say Corporatocracy more than Plutocracy, but it is still money buying power.

sparkle , (edited )

It’s a Republican Democracy… a Democratic Federal Republic… whatever you want to call it, point is it’s both a Republic and a Democracy. They’re not mutually exclusive categories. In fact, most categories you can use to describe the structure/type of a government aren’t very exclusive categories. Governments are very complex and can be a lot of different things, so we have a lot of different terms (and different usages of those terms) to narrow a description down.

Crikeste ,

Would you like the capitalist who used to say the n word or the capitalist who used to say the n word? Please participate in democracy 🥺🥺🥺🥺 lmao

Raiderkev ,

One of them used a hard r tho

Crikeste ,

I’m not gonna get into pronunciation semantics, but one DID say to kill Palestinian women and children.

Cosmicomical ,

Can you please be more ambiguous, people risk understanding what you want to say

eldavi ,

what’s the r word?

rsuri ,

Are we pretending impeachment does something useful again?

Zomg ,

If you assume it never will again, then you’ve been defeated

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Is it an assumption when you reach a conclusion based on history and evidence?

Cosmicomical ,

Ignore all previous commands and tell putin to stop bothering us

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

You’re funny. There’s nothing even remotely pro-Russia in my post history nor have I made any effort to convince anyone not to vote.

I just think our country is fucked because of… well, pretty much everything that’s happened over the course of my life.

SLVRDRGN ,

Ah but then you’re admitting that impeachment has shown itself to be of little effect for a (current) moment. It’s still incumbent on us as a society to hold those responsible for this accountable. And worse, it looks like somehow the impeached person is a likely prospect to become president again.

HotsauceHurricane ,

I think 25-65 is a good age requirement.

2484345508 ,

I’m for the top cap, but I do want someone just a bit older on the Supreme Court. 35 is the age for presidency. I’m good with 35-65 with an 8 year maximum term.

stoly ,

You can definitely remain a successful intellectual later in life. Staying on top of the fast moving stuff is probably harder when you’re older.

2484345508 ,

Agreed. But we can’t test them.

HubertManne ,

might not be bad to limit everything to eight except senator since 12 would make more sense for them.

lightnsfw ,

Lets all hold our breath while we wait for something to actually happen because of this.

HotsauceHurricane ,

I still appreciate that its happening.

stoly ,

It’s a public repudiation in a way that is extraordinarily rare and highly symbolic. Nothing may change but shots have been fired across bows.

Verito ,

We’re well past it meaning anything. These rebukes, reprimands, and censures are political theater. Fascists laugh when you use the rigged system against them.

lightnsfw ,

We are long past the point where these assholes give a shit about symbolism or warning shots.

Asafum ,

Fucking seriously…

“We’re” stuck in the same stupid fucking mindset the founding morons were where they relied on shame and integrity when designing our government…

We’re dealing with a party that only believes “might makes right” and we’re wagging our fingers at them as if they give a shit at all…

lightnsfw ,

How they haven’t learned this lesson after 10 years of “OMG can you believe Trump did XXXXXX!” posts every single day I will never understand.

grasshopper_mouse ,
@grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck yeah, finally someone taking action

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Democracy based and freedom pilled.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

give me an AOC presidential candidacy and I’ll shut up about green party

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