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girlfreddy OP , in Biden’s family privately criticizes top advisers and pushes for their ouster at Camp David meeting
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First rule of checking whose voice you should listen to – the amount of people who are vested in your ‘approval rating’ vs the amount of people actually stating the facts of what happened.

Whichever number is greater is usually the one that’s right.

FlyingSquid ,
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He and his people being only interested in his approval rating didn’t seem to work out for Trump in 2020.

AlecSadler , in California Moms for Liberty chair’s shocking attack on drag queens goes viral

Beth Bourne sucks.

skeezix , in Boeing will get a ‘sweetheart’ plea deal, says lawyer representing 737 Max crash victims

Corporations rule. People drool.

Deceptichum , in Vance says presidents must have immunity, though possibly not Biden
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This is why armed violence is necessary. The legal and political systems are a joke.

FlyingSquid ,
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When are you going to lead the mob? I haven’t gotten any memos.

Deceptichum ,
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When are you going to stop doing absolutely nothing?

FlyingSquid ,
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I’m not the one who said armed violence needs to happen, that’s you. So when are you going to start? Don’t try to weasel out of it by not giving an answer. If you’re not brave enough to lead the mob and expect someone else to do it, just say so.

Deceptichum ,
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Exactly, you’re the one who does nothing and will refuse to ever do anything. You deserve the world you live in.

FlyingSquid ,
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  • Deceptichum ,
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    You’re not getting an answer to a shit question.

    You’re the equivalent of:

    “Oh you don’t like climate change, why don’t you go solve all the worlds problems”

    Do you actually expect one individual to do everything? You need to rally and agonise people into action not waiting on one hero.

    Now kindly fuck off with the enlightened centrism.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    You need to rally and agonise people into action not waiting on one hero.

    That’s what I expect you to do. Rally people. When is the rally? Time and place please.

    Or just avoid that and continue to show that you actually are what you are criticizing.

    JimmyBigSausage , in Gathered at Camp David, Biden's family tells him to stay in the race and keep fighting

    I would never bet against Joe.

    Varyk ,

    Can’t see the point in betting against him here other than hopeful hipster cynicism being awarded with internet points.

    timewarp ,
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    I never did and then he and his campaign team went and proved me wrong. The whole recent issue with Merrick Garland has to do with Biden asserting executive privilege over the audio tapes of his national documents investigation where the special investigator found that Biden legitimately has a poor memory now not being able to recall life events. Instead Biden’s team pressured the investigator to revise his report and said his assessment wasn’t supported by facts.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    They have the transcripts. They are only pushing for the tapes for sound bites for ads. There’s no additional information that is related to national security that isn’t provided in the transcripts

    timewarp ,
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    The transcripts has repetition and long pauses removed. I agree they will use those audio tapes against him, but for Biden’s team to try to hide the memory loss and then say the other side is lying only gives Republicans more ammo. He must have known his base would be defend him only to be shown that the Republicans actually had something right for once.

    tacosanonymous , in Vance says presidents must have immunity, though possibly not Biden

    “Trump has argued that immunity is both implicit in the text and necessary”

    Bullshit. That motherfucker can’t read.

    tyler , in Detroit police can no longer use facial recognition results as the sole basis for arrests

    Wait. They could before??? wtf

    henfredemars ,

    It’s insane that false arrests had to be made before the law was changed considering that experts have been very clear about the potential dangers of relying on facial recognition alone.

    GoddessNoAi ,

    The thing is, police and politicians don’t care about getting correct results, they only care about results. An innocent person convicted is still “case closed” and “another criminal punished.”

    Politicians can be made to care by threatening their jobs, but the police still don’t give a shit about catching the right person as long as they can put somebody behind bars by any means possible.

    I’m their view, the experts are part of the problem and should be ignored.

    Crewman ,

    There’s a lot of issues with forensics sciences that send a lot of innocent people to jail.

    catloaf , in US wants Boeing to plead guilty to fraud over fatal crashes, lawyers say

    And then Boeing will go to prison, right? Like they’re not allowed to do any business for some number of years?

    No, we don’t do that? Then either we should start, or we can start targeting the people who actually make and are responsible for these decisions, and make them personally liable. The whole “corporate veil” thing is a legal fiction of convenience.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    Seriously. If companies are people they need to be imprisoned, ie not able to do any business at all, for whatever length of time actual people get sent to prison for.

    I’m more than happy to start with the CEOs as a first step.

    NateNate60 ,

    “Imprisoning” a company is kind of a nonsensical concept because it is a concept that is made up and exists only in the minds of people. But one “creative” punishment is potentially to punish the company by confiscating its equity.

    So instead of N years imprisonment, the state confiscates N × 5 per cent of the company’s equity. That means that all outstanding shares represent 100 minus N×5 per cent of the company instead of 100 per cent.

    Example: Company A has 1 million outstanding shares. Each share of common stock therefore represents 0.01% of the company. Suppose the company is convicted of a crime that would be punishable by 3 years imprisonment. So 15% of its equity is confiscated. That now means 1 million shares represent 85% of the company, so each share of common stock now only represents 0.0085% of the company. The state gets one special share that represents the 15% equity that was confiscated. The state gets 15% of all profit dividends going forward.

    This would heavily encourage companies to avoid criminal activity and it is multitudes more effective as a deterrent than mere fines, because it directly hurts a company’s share price, i.e. the one thing that its investors actually care about.

    beebarfbadger ,

    The problem here is that it would reward the government for either a) punishing criminals but also b) framing innocents with the goal of taking their money. We’re seeing how well that works with the private prison industrial complex. In essence, it just creates an industry of creating criminals where there were none.

    Punishing criminals severely is great. Making it a business will end up with the worst kind of people optimising the revenue from it.

    Johnmannesca ,
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    Right. We’ll see the same cronies from Boeing looking for a Gov position so they can get away with legal theft next

    beebarfbadger ,

    Ooooh no. A government position would imply at least a shred of accountability. They’d lobby for privatisation. Failing that, they’d bribe the officials in charge to run the whole system into the ground so that they can argue a private entrepreneur could run it more efficiently, and then they’d do it with as little oversight as they can buy from their legislators.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    You took what I said way too literally. And then expanded on my point.

    frazw ,

    Except then the ordinary workers who did nothing wrong are made to suffer. Either they don’t get paid or they lose their jobs. IMHO you make the CEO personally liable. They have the power to change the company attitude and policy. They need to have their personal fortune hit as well as jail time.

    frezik ,

    Jail the current executives and hand over the company to the workers. This works best if there’s a robust union in the company already. Boeing sorta kinda does, but it’s been hurt by decades of union busting efforts.

    catloaf ,

    Which is kind of my point: we shouldn’t be imprisoning people who aren’t an immediate danger to society either.

    PythagreousTitties ,

    Yea. That’s what I said.

    j4k3 ,
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    Go kill 346 people in a careless and culpable way. See if you stay off of death row.

    The only way to stop a problem like this is from the top down. If the issue is traced to some low level employees, great, put everyone from the board members all the way down to these low level employees on trial as a whole. This kind of thing is a culture from the top down.

    Boeing should be dismantled or nationalized and completely restructured with none of its present management.

    henfredemars ,

    People who amass this kind of disgusting wealth are not beholden to human laws. Like a black hole, the weight of their greed rips right through the social fabric.

    BruceTwarzen ,

    Oh nooo they won’t get off that easy. They’ll have to pay a hefty fee of dozens of thousands of dollars

    FooBarrington ,

    Management has to be held personally responsible. That’s why they make so much money, right?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Corporations are people until they commit a crime. At which point you cannot possibly treat them like people.

    bradorsomething , in Top Biden allies say he's still the best bet to win against Trump in November

    Sadly AOC is a year too young.

    Zaktor ,

    She’ll be 35 by swearing in and that’s the actual requirement. Progressives will never be given the spot by the party though, they need to win it convincingly in a primary.

    pyre ,

    the DNC would rather pull out of the race altogether than win with AOC.

    Duamerthrax , in Los Angeles’s Mayor Was Contemplating a Mask Ban. She Just Got Covid.

    People need to stop stereotyping cities as liberal havens.

    graymess ,

    Or just learn what liberals actually stand for. It all makes sense then.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Well it suits a narrative when there are crime and poverty issues to be exploited for publicity and political gain.

    CptEnder ,

    LMFAO yeah see: NYC. Dude’s pretty much a Republican in Democrat fur.

    solrize , (edited ) in Gathered at Camp David, Biden's family tells him to stay in the race and keep fighting

    Staying in and keeping fighting is a lot to ask from a guy in his condition. Maybe he could drop out and keep fighting, or possibly stay in and quit fighting. Those would both be easier, and it doesn’t much matter at this point anyway.

    Varyk ,

    It matters quite a bit for the presidency, the progressive policies of the United States and its active collaborations on climate with other countries.

    He’s been doing a good job for 4 years, he was an old man on TV for 90 minutes.

    Vote him in and let him keep doing a good job.

    timewarp ,
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    He spent 7 days rehearsing for the debate to remember that he beat medicare. Just pick someone else so that we aren’t all complicit in elder abuse and let’s win this thing. Biden was good at supporting genocide… I’ll give him that.

    Varyk , (edited )

    Please, it’s clear “elder abuse” is another limp maga slogan.

    You vote for the rapist if you want, I’m voting for the good president who has achieved successful policies that benefit hundreds of millions.

    timewarp ,
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    What is your problem man? I’m not MAGA. I’m just not going to be in a cult and pretend Biden is fine. He clearly isn’t fine. Keep your head in the sand. Go call your fellow Dems MAGA and rapist supporters. That’ll certainly help your efforts to beat Trump. I thought supporting elder abuse would be MAGA level politics, but I guess not.

    Varyk , (edited )

    Nobody is pretending Biden is “fine”, I’m saying that he was supported for his positive progressive policies that benefited hundreds of millions of people for four years, and everyone is suddenly siding with maga trolls throwing a hissy fit because the old guy who did a great job as president is still old.

    Any progressive listening to your limp maga crap is showing themself to be nearly as susceptible to playground taunts as you lot.

    timewarp ,
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    He isn’t just old, but struggled to remember most of what he spent the previous 7 days prepping for. He did an okay job domestically… he had some wins but he also did some really stupid and terrible things like threatening to arrest railroad workers for demanding better working conditions, and saying how much he is a Zionist. He didn’t fix ERISA, housing or inflation. If we’re comparing him against Trump then not enabling domestic extremist is a good job.

    Varyk ,

    There you go making things up again because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

    Biden was a great first-term president, he’ll be a great second term president.

    Keep fuming and playing make believe, it’s pretty funny.

    timewarp ,
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    What did I make up? Tell me and I’ll either provide facts or retract it. Unless you’re looking for a cult and not facts?

    Varyk ,

    If I ever start looking for a cult, I’ll ask you first.

    Your whole stance is based on vague pretense, spin and wholesale fabrication.

    Make up your silly, false stories if you like, and prepare to get called out.

    timewarp ,
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    You lodge a bunch of accusations at me but can’t articulate with fact a single one. Who does that sound like?

    Varyk ,

    I’m not, but that sounds like you. Why?

    Nutteman ,
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  • Varyk ,

    I don’t need to change maga minds, that’s longer trying to fill a bucket without a bottom.

    I’m stating his very clear, dedicated investment in concrete legislation that is helping hundreds of millions of people.

    “Ride dicks” if that’s your game, but leave me out of it.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Nobody is pretending Biden is “fine”

    What garbage. You’re pretending that he’s not only fine, but a progressive. I’m not sure which is more absurd.

    crusa187 ,

    All signs point to stay in and quit fighting. Brace yourself!

    JimmyBigSausage , in Descendants Push for Monument at Tulsa Race Massacre Site

    Would be such an appropriate and timely thing to do.

    dank , in NH Supreme Court Hears Case On Whether ‘Keep New England White’ Banner Constitutes Free Speech

    The banner is disturbing. The impulse to use the government to suppress offensive speech is also disturbing.

    RvTV95XBeo ,

    Something something paradox of tolerance. Something something hate speech.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Would you say the same thing if the flag said “KILL THE FAGS?”

    Draedron ,

    Hate speech needs to be suppressed.

    dogslayeggs ,

    It was hung illegally on government property. Regardless what it said, this was not allowed. They are being prosecuted instead of simply fined because it was racially motivated like a hate crime.

    echo , in Biden’s family privately criticizes top advisers and pushes for their ouster at Camp David meeting

    His advisors were morons and never should have allowed this ‘debate’ format at all.

    oakey66 ,

    The problem isn’t the debate format. The problem is Joe Biden.

    NoneOfUrBusiness ,

    It's both.

    harrys_balzac , in California Moms for Liberty chair’s shocking attack on drag queens goes viral

    its.ucdavis.edu/people/beth-bourne/

    She’s the STEPS+ coordinator at the Institute of Transportation Studies. Should transport her otta there.

    STEPS+ is the Sustainable Transportation and Energy Pathways Program which is all about moving towards sustainable transportation.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Too bad it can’t be sustained with hatred or she’d be perfect for the job.

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