If they’re hiding necessary information about my kid from me, that’s not serving the tax payers. That’s government employees determining decisions for kids that aren’t their own, without taking any risk for how these decisions turn out.
So you’d rather have children being thrown out to the streets or even killed by their parents just for talking to another person about their gender identity?
They’re not “determining decisions,” they’re protecting children. There’s a reason that kids don’t tell their parents that they’re queer.
So you’d rather have children being thrown out to the streets
Why is this automatically what’s going to happen to kids whose teachers tell their parents if they’re socially transitioning?
Why is it always ‘OH MY GOD, THE PARENTS WILL KNOW THEY WILL KILL THESE KIDS’
Unless you can prove that that is the most likely scenario in these cases, that’s a shit argument.
killed by their parents
How often does this happen? Can you provide any statistics that can convince a reasonable person this is a widespread issue?
They’re not “determining decisions,” they’re protecting children.
Exactly the difference between you and I. I think the people should be protected from the government, so we can live our lives. You think the government should protect the people by everyone doing what the government thinks.
There’s a reason that kids don’t tell their parents that they’re queer.
Exactly the difference between you and I. I think the people should be protected from the government, so we can live our lives. You think the government should protect the people by everyone doing what the government thinks.
I don’t believe that government is necessarily a bad thing; I highly disagree with many of the policies of governments today, but I think that when government is used for the people, by the people, it can be a very useful and productive tool. Your entire argument boils down to, “Parents are always right and government should just fuck off,” which is not just completely incorrect, but extremely disrespectful to those who have experienced abuse by their parents and relatives.
While I’ll probably never be able to convince you, when you’re in a nursing home wondering why your kids never visit you, I hope you realize what I mean.
You’re acting like this is the default situation if the teachers tell their parents that the kids are socially transitioning at school.
I’m not saying it happens to every queer kid, it’s to prevent “…28% of LGBTQ youth [reporting] experiencing homelessness or housing instability…” and 52% of queer youth [reporting] to have experienced three or more ACEs (adverse childhood experiences,) which includes emotional abuse, sexual abuse, and physical abuse.
And if you look at the survey that it’s based on, it’s clear why the numbers are staggering.
nearly 40% of the surveors is made up of the minority of people that identify as LGBTQIAS2+. Transgenders make up 8% of the LGBTQIA2S+ community, and they clearly have these issues much worse than the others in the community. So they’re weighted more than 4x as much in these statistics.
Do you think these %'s would change vastly if they used a proportionate sample size as the LGBTQIA2S+?
I agree, especially trans youth, have issues at home, that’s why I’m for a huge investment in programs helping these kids, not just for the + community, but for all youths experiencing homelessness, but that’s outside the scope of schools.
but I think that when government is used for the people, by the people, it can be a very useful and productive tool.
What cases would you say the government is used for the people by the people? What’s that mean in schools today?
The schools say we don’t give them enough money, that’s why we’re falling behind. But instead, we give them much much more, while receiving a worse and worse education, and they want to teach our kids stuff we don’t want them to. I imagine the reaction would be different if the education system was doing well, if we felt our kids were being taught correctly. Instead it’s crappy, expensive and not what we want, that’s a bad sell to most parents.
While I’ll probably never be able to convince you, when you’re in a nursing home wondering why your kids never visit you, I hope you realize what I mean.
I’m not worried about it. I treat people with love, and patience. Just because you and I have different views on how to tackle social issues, doesn’t mean I’m gonna die alone and my kids will hate me. It actually makes me feel really bad for you that you think if someone disagrees with you, that their lives should be miserable.
Estimates of child abuse range from 10-20% of all school age children in the UK. Any person who is working in a classroom (including TAs and volunteers) has had some amount of safeguarding training to help mitigate the risk of harm to children.
It is literally our/their job to help prevent or mitigate harm that might come to children in their home lives, and teachers, admins, and safeguarding leads make decisions every day based on a clear and well-monitored framework to do so. This decision, made by people with little or no experience in the field, spits in the face of all of that.
Estimates of child abuse range from 10-20% of all school age children in the UK. Any person who is working in a classroom (including TAs and volunteers) has had some amount of safeguarding training to help mitigate the risk of harm to children.
Exactly. “ALL SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN.” We already have all these ways that teachers are obligated to report abuse if they suspect it. Why do we need to carve out special treatment of the LGBTQIA2S+ communities? They’re just humans. If teachers suspect abuse, they should report it, whether it’s for LGBTQIA2S+ or straight cis kids.
It is literally our/their job to help prevent or mitigate harm
No your job is to be a public servant and educate kids. It’s the parents responsibility to ensure their kids are safe.
This decision, made by people with little or no experience in the field, spits in the face of all of that.
Because it comes to parental rights, and limiting the influence government employees push on our youth.
My entire argument is I think parents should be given the information and ability to raise their kids how they see fit (obviously within limits, like abuse)
The alternative of government employees determining that they know what’s best for other peoples children, without assuming the risk for their actions is insanity.
If your child is too afraid of telling you something important about themselves or their lives, that is a YOU problem. Public servants exist to protect children from risks to their health and safety, including risks at home. Nobody has a right to abuse their children. If you want to know about their lives and challenges, you need to make yourself a safe person for them to confide in. If you are not, that's on you and you alone.
If your child is too afraid of telling you something important about themselves or their lives, that is a YOU problem
Did you tell your parents everything in high school?
I smoked weed for the first time when I was 13, I didn’t tell my parents. Is that because my parents are bad? I didn’t tell them I had sex with my first girlfriend, does that make my parents bad? I didn’t tell them I was with my homies and he was speeding down gardener road, going 100.
Are my parents bad?
Public servants exist to protect children from risks to their health and safety, including risks at home.
And we have standards for that, if parents suspect abuse, they have to report it. Whether it’s for the + community, or if it’s for the straight cis community.
Nobody has a right to abuse their children.
I agree.
If you want to know about their lives and challenges, you need to make yourself a safe person for them to confide in.
All your examples of things you hid from your parents are dangerous, illegal, and ‘wrong’. You trying to lump personal identity in with things that can lead to jail or teenage pregnancy is very telling.
Should teachers also report when your child makes friends with a student of a different race or religion? Why or why not and if not, how is that any different from this? You keep referring to teachers ‘making decisions about the child’ but nothing is being ‘decided’ by teachers here. It’s the children who are deciding this for themselves because they’re also people with autonomy.
You trying to lump personal identity in with things that can lead to jail or teenage pregnancy is very telling.
Yes, it’s called ‘behavior.’
The government forces parents to send our kids to government institutions for ‘education’ and if we want to know what’s going on they tell us to shut up? Nah, family, I don’t buy into that philosophy.
Should teachers also report when your child makes friends with a student of a different race or religion?
Did you not parent teacher meetings where they talk about how you’re doing in school and who you’re hanging out with?
You keep referring to teachers ‘making decisions about the child’ but nothing is being ‘decided’ by teachers here.
The teachers are deciding to withhold information about how my kid behaves in a government forced institution. The teachers should be working with parents, not fighting against them.
It’s the children who are deciding this for themselves because they’re also people with autonomy.
How much autonomy? If they can decide for themselves, why shouldn’t we remove the drinking age? Smoking age? military age? They’re people with autonomy, right? If a kid gets caught drinking, their parents deal with it, not the kid.
What a nonsense, meaningless reply. This sounds like a response from someone who lacks critical thinking skills and doesn’t understand the difference between behavior and identity.
The government forces parents to send our kids to government institutions for ‘education’ and if we want to know what’s going on they tell us to shut up?
This makes you sound unhinged. Who is ‘they’ and when did ‘they’ tell you to shut up?
Did you not parent teacher meetings where they talk about how you’re doing in school and who you’re hanging out with?
Yes, and that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion. Parent teacher conferences don’t consist of the teacher listing the race, religion or ethnicity of the students I/my child hang out with, nor is there a specific mandate for them to do so.
Since you avoided my question, I’ll ask you again: Should teachers also report when your child makes friends with a student of a different race or religion? Why or why not and if not, how is that any different from this? Are you capable of responding to this question or do you find it too challenging?
The teachers are deciding to withhold information about how my kid behaves in a government forced institution.
Are they? Or maybe they’re just minding their own business when it comes to matters that don’t involve education or risky/harmful behavior. If you want to know about your kid’s behavior, why are you asking their teacher instead of them? You complain about ‘forced government institutions’ yet in the next breath demand they be the sole conduit into your child’s life.
The teachers should be working with parents, not fighting against them.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to work with someone who refers to them as a “servant” of theirs and claims they work for a “forced government institution” that’s indoctrinating children? How are they “fighting against you” here?
How much autonomy? If they can decide for themselves, why shouldn’t we remove the drinking age? Smoking age? military age? They’re people with autonomy, right? If a kid gets caught drinking, their parents deal with it, not the kid.
What do any of these things have to do with a person determining their own identity just as every other autonomous human has done for millennia?
What a nonsense, meaningless reply. This sounds like a response from someone who lacks critical thinking skills and doesn’t understand the difference between behavior and identity.
Parents are forced to send their kids to government agents at the threat of taking the kids away. The least they can do is being transparent with my kids behavior, if little jimmy wants everyone to call him Laquisha, that falls under behavior.
This makes you sound unhinged. Who is ‘they’ and when did ‘they’ tell you to shut up?
What’s unhinged about it? My local school boards.
Yes, and that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.
No it’s not, teachers have been expected to let parents know what their kids are up to and how they’re doing socially, emotionally and with their studies. The fact you are trying to have teachers keep these things from parents is more telling about you.
Parent teacher conferences don’t consist of the teacher listing the race, religion or ethnicity of the students I/my child hang out with, nor is there a specific mandate for them to do so.
You made up this scenario and are arguing against it. That’s weird.
Are they? Or maybe they’re just minding their own business when it comes to matters that don’t involve education or risky/harmful behavior.
If a kid has cancer should the nurses not tell the parents? Is transitioning not a very hard emotionally and mentally situation to be in? pre-transition, the suicide rate attempt is over 40%, how would you feel if your kid attempted suicide and you couldn’t help because the teacher kept it a secret?
Why would anyone in their right mind want to work with someone who refers to them as a “servant”
LOL, I say public servant, and the fact you try to pervert my argument and equate it with ‘servant’ is dishonest and disgusting. Every individual employed by the government is supposed to serve the tax payers.
You complain about ‘forced government institutions’ yet in the next breath demand they be the sole conduit into your child’s life.
I didn’t complain it’s a forced government institution, I said what it was. I don’t demand I be the sole conduit, I demand that the teachers tell me what my kids are up to during their forced institutionalization. I know it may be odd that someone paying for the school, paying for the new gym, property taxes teachers salaries and their supplies might want to know how my kids are doing, but I think the governments job should always include transparency to those that they are serving.
What do any of these things have to do with a person determining their own identity just as every other autonomous human has done for millennia?
You said that kids have autonomy. 13 year olds should be able to buy cigarettes, booze, get tattoos, right? Is there a reason we don’t allow them to?
You sound like exactly the kind of parent teachers should avoid sharing any information with. You claim to be against abuse but you want to force teachers to share information that is well known to result in kids being abused by their parents.
You think the government employees should be the ones making decisions on behalf of the kids.
There is so much wrong with that statement.
First, teachers make decisions on behalf of kids all the time. It’s literally their job.
Noting that they’re government employees just sounds like an anti-government dog whistle.
Saying they’re making a decision “on behalf of kids” is wrong because the law only matters when teachers see a conflict of interest between the parents and kids. They’re being forced to act AGAINST the kids on behalf of unsupportive parents.
Finally, this isn’t just a matter of judgment. We know for a fact that some alarmingly large percentage of parents will disown our otherwise abuse their kids after finding out they’re LBGT+. This law is specifically designed to endanger those kids, and no amount of bloviating about the property role of government will change that fact.
If teachers suspect abuse, they are legally obligated to report it.
They can only report it after it’s too late to prevent it, and they’re being forced to create the conditions that precipitate it. Are you really gonna argue that dealing with abuse after the fact is even remotely as good as preventing it in the first place?
Also, in a lot of cases you’re asking teachers to permanently damage the kids’ relationship with their parents. They’re not gonna get their families back when they become adults
First, teachers make decisions on behalf of kids all the time. It’s literally their job.
No, their job is to teach the basics that we as a local society would like. They are funded by local tax payers to serve tax payers.
Noting that they’re government employees just sounds like an anti-government dog whistle.
Noting that they’re government employees puts into perspective that these are people that should be serving the people, not establishing a government culture in our youth. In principle, there’s little difference between the government using elementary schools to shape the youth as the indian boarding schools. They’ve moved from teaching objective studies like math, english and science, with teaching about subjective topics like sexuality and gender.
Meanwhile our kids test scores are getting worse compared to our peer countries, despite spending a shit ton more money. Then they tell us the reason is because we aren’t giving them enough money.
Saying they’re making a decision “on behalf of kids” is wrong because the law only matters when teachers see a conflict of interest between the parents and kids. They’re being forced to act AGAINST the kids on behalf of unsupportive parents.
You assume giving parents information about their kids school behavior is working against the kids, and also assuming the parents are unsupportive. What you’re asking is for governmeny employees to determine on behalf of the kids what’s better for them than their parents, and judging the morality of their parents based on incomplete information.
You’re asking the teachers to raise the kids. That’s not their jobs.
We know for a fact that some alarmingly large percentage of parents will disown our otherwise abuse their kids after finding out they’re LBGT+.
And we should invest in programs to help the homeless youth.
This law is specifically designed to endanger those kids
We can’t protect everyone from everything their parents do. And shouldn’t leave it up to government employees to make the determination of withholding information about a kids behavior at a place that the government forces parents to send their kids to at the threat of taking the kids away.
Have teachers teach and invest in programs that help the youth whose parents aren’t caring for them. Just like we say that cops have too many issues that they aren’t experts on that we call them for, teachers are being given too much responsibility for issues they aren’t experts in.
They have qualifications to do their job. The only qualifications you have is you fucked one night and nine months later popped out a baby. But that suddenly makes you the expert.
You sound like a devil trying to control your children like that.
Exactly. I need you for one purpose: Teach my child <subject>. If my child sets fire to a car, it’s my ass on the line. If my child gets hurt, it’s me at the hospital. If my child has an issue, hiding it from me is less than useful, it’s negligent.
Until a kid is 18, they’re -legally- 100% my responsibility and how they’re raised is my call.
If your kid is trans or gay and they don’t feel safe coming out to you then that’s your fault. There are no decisions being made. Kids are going to be queer weather you like it or not.
If you think you can “do something” about your kids being queer then that’s probably why they don’t want to tell you.
See you just made up an entire conspiracy theory and saying RFK Jr. believes in it.
He did not say what you said he did. He said that it affects jews and asians different than black people. That’s factual.
Stop making up reasons to hate people you disagree with. Listen to them and argue against what they say, not the words you put in their mouth.
Sickle cell targets african americans. Am I now saying there’s a whole conspiracy against the black population by deliberately infecting them with sickle cell?
There are vast differences on how different ethnicities were able to combat the virus.
That’s a fact.
No idea why you’re supporting this man.
Because I’ve listened to what he says and his interactions with people, instead of basing my impressions on him on headlines.
People really need to be more educated to read between the lines instead of taking everything at face value.
Agreed, and they’d see this article and made up controversy is just big media calling the shots. Listen to the candidates interviews and interactions, and I promise you’ll understand every candidate better than just the media conglomerates narratives.
This was clearly a racist and antisemitic comment
Saying that some ethnicities handled the virus better/worse is not racist, nor antisemitic.
Sickle cell affects african americans more than other ethnicities. Is that racist to say?
Sickle cell does not “target” blacks, it is genetically inherited trait. It affects blacks more often as it is thought to have evolved in sub-Saharan Africans as protection from malaria. www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/biology/index.html. So your statement isn’t really a conspiracy, it’s just uninformed.
RFK Jr is on video talking about bioweapons and in that context said that “There’s an argument that it is ethnically targeted…” nypost.com/…/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-tar…. People of color are affected by most diseases more that white people. This is not a new phenomenon and is related to racial disparities. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8513546/. Also, the Chinese were hit as hard as everyone else.
It's crazy that they constantly say "this isn't political, this isn't about politics" and then, when given the opportunity, do everything they can to identify as conservative, God-fearing, and family values.
The restaurant has a gay pride flag out front. It's inherently political, because half the country wants to rescind rights given to the LGBT community. But when questioned on their materials, the Washers say it isn't political. It's just their values.
And that's the problem. One side knows that this is political. They know what is at stake, and how close it is to going away. The other side plugs it's ears and sings songs until they get the chance, and then they take away people's rights. But it's not political....
....because it's religious. It's a natural law dictated by a book only they care about.
This quote is at the heart of the matter: “Tips are a wage subsidy to the employer," she says. "It’s not a tip. It goes to your wage. It is just the amount that the employer doesn’t have to pay you. And people don’t understand that.”
But this soon provoked angst from some viewers, who grumbled that he should “stick to the weather”. Then, last July, he started getting a string of emails that included threats against his life.
That’s just the entire right wing in a nutshell. Anything that challenges their worldview is ignored and mocked, and if you make them look at it for too long they threaten to murder you. Facts do not exist for Republicans in the same way they do for everyone else. They live in a bubble where they are right and everyone else is wrong. No exceptions.
The whole country seems to be polarized left/right, red/blue. Their side is right about everything and the other side is wrong about everything. That’s where American politics has led us. Culture war to keep us from starting a class war.
More a question of what they do than what they say. They can say everything in the world I want to hear, but to follow through? That comes to a stop when their corporate pocket liners threaten to remove their funding.
Well, one side is promising to take away a bunch of people’s rights, and they’re certainly following through on their promises.
Democrats suck when it comes to simping for the rich, but when it comes to civil rights, the rule of law, and respect for democracy, the parties could not be more starkly different
Well yeah they’re regressive religious zealots. As I said in another comment somewhere else in this thread. Civil rights and respect for democracy I will agree with. Rule of law applies to none of our government. 97 members of Congress last year reported trades in companies influenced by their commitees. They were not all Republicans. This is a conflict of interest and they should be removed.
I’m not railing on one side or the other, I have liberal viewpoints and I have conservative viewpoints. I’m railing on the government as a whole. It needs to be rebuilt. My initial point was that everyone is super polarized and that is a problem that needs to be fixed before anything else gets fixed.
Case in point, this thread. I make a comment criticizing Republicans = +20. I make a comment criticizing Democrats = I don’t even know, like -45 at this point?
People here are obviously polarized to the left. Granted, yes Republicans in office are bat shit crazy anymore, there is zero tolerance for any criticism towards the other side. And that just blinds anyone from paying attention to real matters. Half the people I know just treat it like a sports team they support. And this is why I generally stay away from discussing politics and have learned my lesson about posting anything political here.
Again, you’re overlooking a huge difference. Yes, both sides benefit from a legal loophole that let’s them engage in insider trading. But one party tried to literally overthrow the government because they lost an election and then seamlessly pivoted to lying constantly about the results of the election. One party’s leading candidate for president is literally promising institute party political purges of civil servants if he’s elected. One party has a bunch of heavily armed rednecks swearing personal loyalty to its leader. Do you think insider trading is even worth talking about when that other shit is happening right out in the open?
Yep and what do you think is gonna happen to Trump or any other member of Congress that took part for all of that? Nothing, because the rule of law doesn’t apply to them. The Democrats won’t push hard enough and the Republicans will whip their moron fan base into more of a frenzy. The point I’m trying to convey is the whole system is fucked and needs to be undone and rebuilt. Climate change doesn’t actually matter a damn to either side while they’re busy fighting each other and trying to find new ways to line their pockets. Hell several Dems disrupted votes on green deals because they have a stake in fossil fuels. The government should be serving its people and their interests, not fighting itself.
I’m done posting here, off to look at pictures of dogs.
Climate change is real. Doesn’t matter how political or non political you are. If one side is using politics to try and say its not real, that’s not a “both sides” issue. That’s an issue with the side that’s denying reality.
I never said it wasn’t real. And they don’t need to say it’s not real, they vote where the money is. Several Dems have stood in the way of green deals passing in the past. The infighting within the democratic party will be the death of it, while the bat shit crazy Republicans will just continue boosting their moronic fan base. This is the reality of our government. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
The only politician I’ve even remotely resonated with is Sanders, and the DNC made for damn sure he didn’t make it in there.
All of your whataboutism is pointless. The Republican party’s position is that climate change isn’t real. There’s no two sides - nothing Democrats do is causing Republicants to say climate change is a hoax. Republicans are saying reality is fake all on their own. They are wrong. And they are threatening to kill people for saying reality is real. They are wrong about climate change.
The false equivalence is so tiring. There is one side that has consistently been against the scientific consensus on everything from vaccines to climate change to gender/sex/orientation etc. The faux open-mindedness of the “but both sides are bad” is just lazy cowardice not wanting to admit it. One side can be wrong on a given issue, and people can still be ignorant. It’s not mutually exclusive.
Yes, one side is pretty much full evil, but how many politicians in congress on both sides come to a halt on progress when their pocket liners are threatened. This is a game to all of them. Corporations run this country using every politician in our 2 party system as their puppets. How much insider trading goes on, who’s being paid by who? Our entire system needs to be burnt down and rebuilt for anything to function as it should.
That’s not gonna end well without a viable and executable alternative. Usually you’ll end up with a lot of chaos, some party promising to ease it, followed by that party turning out to be a dictatorship.
Frankly, it’s amazing we have something close to a democracy at all.
…which is exactly why they do it, of course. People arguing on the side of science have to make sound arguments in order to persuade, but all the reactionaries have to do is to frustrate their opponent into giving up on the discussion and they win by default. It’s fundamentally dishonest and toxic.
Except climate change IS real, and if you say its fake, you are wrong. Lol. Its not an opinion. What you’re positing here has nothing to do with the reality.
And a right wing person can take that sentence and turn it around. They have a whole lore to back up the claim too.
When you dig deep enough into the claims, it becomes clear which is fact. Most people don’t have the time to do that so they stick to what’s in their beliefsystem or fits within it.
They think people who believe in climate change are brainwashed zombies, in an ironic backward twist. This also seems to be the case with many things and it’s probably intentionally done by the propagandists.
As someone with Alzheimer’s in their family history this is very relieving news. Obviously I might not get it, but it’s nice to know that by the time I do (if I do) it won’t be like it was for my granddad. Hell I’m not even 40 yet, maybe it’ll basically have a cure, or a preventative.
Maybe this disease will no longer be devastating families soon.
I’ve been there many times, it’s a great restaurant and a great community member in a tiny rural spot about 40 miles outside the beltway. The problem is absolutely the neighbors, they sound absolutely awful. They moved in next to a restaurant, they knew what they were doing.
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