I’m sorry, but this is incredibly simplistic. How did they fuck her over? Lack of informed consent was certainly there, but was (unfortunately) not uncommon.
I would say the lack of informed consent would be exactly it. I’m not sure why it not being uncommon makes a difference to whether or not it was an injustice.
Having not RTFA, did they take cells from other people without adequate consent? If yes it doesn’t matter that they weren’t as valuable, the same offense happened.
Of course it matters. That’s like saying it doesn’t matter that George Floyd was black because other non-black people have been killed by police. This was the exploitation of a black woman’s body for profit and her family was never compensated. Why you think that’s acceptable is beyond me.
I don’t think that’s acceptable. What I’m hearing from you is that the exploitation of a black women trumps the exploitation of everyone else for the same offense.
At least I am a jerk that can read and understand points about systemic racism without trying to dismiss it as happening to other people in a floundering display of whataboutism
Lacks was only selected at all because of race. Hopkins was the only hospital in the area that treated black people (in a segregated ward) and also poor people, which she was both. And in exchange, they used them for experiments. It absolutely was racial injustice because she would not even have been in the position to have her immortal cell line preserved had she been white.
And let's not forget her cells are the foundation of modern vaccine research, without them we'd still have waves of Polio and who knows what else. Even outside of the financial aspect we owe a lot to Henrietta Lacks as a species.
And it is beyond cruel that she was used like a lab rat, like many Black Americans have been through the country's history. It's not about the degree of harm, IMO, sure they didn't cut off her arms, but she was a systematic victim of our medical industry and given no compensation or credit for the advancements in global medicine during her time.
I’m not sure what to make of the argument- on one hand I get your point for sure, no one wants to be profited off of. That said, she could not have possibly been credited in her time as she passed in the same year to biopsy was performed. Furthermore, the cell line was taken from the remaining tissue for her biopsy, which was destined to be destroyed or discarded. I think this argues against the idea that she was uniquely victimized.
This is certainly not to discount her contribution, it’s just that the harm here (lack of informed consent) was pervasive and widespread. If there’s another another harm committed, please enlighten.
Hey! Your stealing our illinois tax revenue. Man its a good thing we got the border states that we do. Stop those dummcrats wis, ind, iowa, misura, tennese, arkansaw or this horrible nightmare will happen to you!!!!
boy if I ever thought I did not need it. Im sorta jelly though as they are mostly about grow whereas illinois is all about tax and does not allow grow.
Defensive gun uses outnumber illegal gun uses. I should get shot? Wait for the police to never arrive because of my neighborhood? Wait for them to shoot me because they got confused and get a medal for it?
Y’all are really good (bad) at pointing out the problem but your solution always ends up being, “send armed goons into people’s houses to make sure they got rid of their property we don’t like.”
You know how many countries have a fuck load of guns and like almost no fascist death brigades? Fucking most of them. The fact that we have 1.1 guns instead of .6 per person does not, in fact, explain gun violence when the exact same percentage of the country owns guns.
There can be more than one problem with our nation at a time.
We have a gun problem, but we also have a fascist problem. There a different solutions to both, neither of which have to be as hyperbolic as you claim.
I’m a gun owner myself. I got my first gun when I was 13 and was taught how to properly care for it and use it.
I enjoy shooting guns as a hobby. I have taken dozens of friends shooting over the years and taught them how to properly enjoy firearms.
But we as a nation have a gun problem.
The solution isn’t some wild, absolute ban in all guns. There are plenty of simple, common sense solutions that can move us into a healthier place. There are plenty of loopholes that can be closed, better, mandatory background checks, removing weapons from those who commit domestic violence, cooling off periods, mandatory gun safes, etc…
I have seen so many wildly irresponsible gun owners on ranges and private property. I’ve seen people walk onto live ranges, loaded weapons pointed at other people, I’ve nearly been shot myself by a dumb kid with a .22.
When I say we have a gun problem, I don’t want to just strip everyone’s guns away. I want to look at the real problems and work to ensure that the easiest flaws are dealt with.
If gun safes were mandatory, it could save countless children who die playing with their parents firearms. If domestic abusers had to surrender firearms, countless partners and spouses would still be alive today.
Don’t want to lose your guns? Don’t beat your wife. It’s not complicated. I don’t trust someone who casually employs violence against loved ones to responsibly use a firearm.
Mandatory education to even use a firearm, just like a concealed carry, would go a long way to help out. We license people to drive cars, why can’t we expect at least that same, bare minimum for guns? CDs
no, you think they use knives instead because homicides are so much rarer there that knife attacks are much bigger news. The US has more knife violence than those countries too.
Think for a second how defensive gun use could possibly outnumber offensive use. What are they defending against if there isn't also offensive gun use? You pulled this stat completely out of thin air like all your opinions on guns.
Youve never heard anyone suggest to send in armed goons to get rid of property.
There's only one country with a fuck load of guns, the US, and it has a ton of police homicides.
“However, of the 86 countries where mass public shootings have been identified, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate”
Bruh where are these other 55 countries? Literal war zones in Africa?
I wonder whether the economic and human development indices were considered in this ranking, and which other first world countries were on that list, considering US is one of, if not, the most powerful country economically, and in the HDI.
“Over the 18 years from 1998 to 2015, our list contains 2,354 attacks and at least 4,880 shooters outside the United States and 53 attacks and 57 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.15% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, but they are also much less deadly on average.”
Not sure if this is a good idea but as a european I found this American debate to be one of the most ideological and shocking from both sides. Of course guns alone don’t cause that, Swizerland and Finnland have tons of them in private hands but they have some kind of social system. It’s all of your insanity, from the mental health over total poverty to fucking easy access to really fucking dangerous guns, there is no easy answer because none of this is good and all of it causes violance!
Also Switzerland and Finland have strict control over ammunition, and also have compulsary military service to instill the discipline required to handle and use guns responsibly, unlike the US where you get a discount if you have a mental disorder diagnosis (exaggeration).
Also, socialised healthcare and mental health services.
Also, lesser paranoia and fear of law enforcement.
Yep, it’s a unholy coctail that causes the situation in the US and more dangerous weapons can definitely make it worse but blaiming guns for everything won’t solve the issue ether! :/
No one is blaming guns for “everything”, but holy christ you can’t acknowledge that there’s a massive mental health issue in America without maybe thinking that it shouldn’t be so fucking easy for those mentally unstable people to get guns.
The answer isn’t easy, but it surely isn’t more guns.
So what? Add another question to the background check “are you a Nazi?” because the “are you a terrorist?” question should already take care of that one, so it seems to be working really well.
What about how I can just gift a gun to a family member? Or maybe how no one has followed up on me since I’ve purchased a gun, maybe I’m a crackpot now. People change.
Responsible gun ownership is impossible to enforce, sure my shit is locked up in a safe, but no one knows that and it isn’t required. No one comes around to check that it is safely secured, no one comes around to check that I haven’t fallen down a QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole, no one comes around to check that I’m mentally sound and don’t have any anger problems.
Ammo sales aren’t tracked either, so sure I have a reasonable amount of ammo but I could have enough to cause serious problems as no one would know.
So really this comes down to two solutions right? Take away guns, or spend a fuck ton of money to regulate sales, registration, send therapists to people’s homes to evaluate their mental health periodically, track ammo sales, install biometrics on guns so that only the owner can fire it and as evidence of when the gun goes off who must have shot, install trackers and sensors on gun safes to feed information back to the government to know how often a gun is safely locked away and when it’s not where it is… Etc honestly.
Cool, one state. Certainly not federally, which just means you can go to another state and have it not tracked. It’s certainly not tracked in SC where I live, sure that’s across the country but pick a border state of California and have it not be a tracked sale. We’re back to the problem.
Take your “As a Veteran…” argument and cram it. I’ve seen more ignorant POGs running that line to get internet credit than I care to remember. Your opinion carries no more weight than anyone else’s and that most definitely includes regular civilians.
If you didn’t want to be insulted you shouldn’t have been insulting…Sir. Interfacing with the public should have been covered somewhere in your ROTC program.
Or they get lucky and it's an older person. My mum would probably fall for that and she's in her 50s and been on the internet for like 20+ years now. XD
50 year olds today were in their 20s during the 1990s, when the internet was the wild west and what you could do with a computer was limited by what you knew about computers and how much time you had;
I’m reasonably sure that today’s 50 year olds that had a computer in their teens and twenties is more likely to be more knowledgeable about computers and networks than the same age groups today.
The internet has been sanitised and made much more rigid and user friendly now.
That was my point. My mum isn't that old and she'd fall for it even with internet experience.
And if you're insulting my mum's intelligence, you're an asshole. She's smart, just not really that savvy when it comes to technology. Everyone has their weak points, even geniuses. She still calls me up asking how to log into netflix. So while she's smart, she's not tech savvy. And they're the kinds of people that these scams hope for.
Apologies, kind poster. I didn’t mean to insult your mom. But I can see how my comment may have looked like that, so I’ll humbly accept your indignation.
From my POV, it sounded like you were saying “50 year olds are dumb lol,” but that wasn’t the case. All good.
Communication isn't my strong point. I know what I mean but often putting what I mean into words fails to get my point across. No worries. :)
Nah, was merely stating she's in her 50s and would probably fall for something like that. My gran was worse. Oh my days, the amount of times I had to sort her laptop for her cause she'd click sketchy links. God rest her soul. But even she understood netflix. Lmfao. I'm not really that tech savvy, but since I'm the 90s kid, I'm designated tech support.
My mom is nearing 70. She would definitely fall for shit like this. But having been burnt a few times, today she had a zoom call and asked for tech support and I walked her through it and when it agreed for permission for zoom too make changes to her computer (to install) she was suspicious AF. I was proud of her. I mean if you’re going to be un-savvy on the internet, best to be overly skeptical than under.
Thankfully my mum doesn't really use her laptop much, mainly for going on Amazon or ordering her groceries. Stuff like that. She asks me questions about her phone a lot. I don't even remember what phone she has. I just have to take educated guesses by using mine as a baseline. I guess cause I'm the oldest by like 20 years and have like 4 computers and a lot of gaming tech, she just assumed I know what I'm doing. Haha.
Glad your mum is becoming sceptical of things online. Definitely better to be over sceptical with technology these days. I've shifted to Linux on everything, except my old ass MacBook which is almost dead. Too many companies out there trying to steal data and personal info now.
I actually just went all in on Linux a couple of weeks ago when I got my new SSD. I had planned to dual boot but I haven’t bothered cloning my old drive and haven’t needed it. I think it has arrived.
I was worried about switching, I'm not good with change. But I love Linux. It's so much better, and it looks simpler and easier to navigate. I'm lucky my partner knows what to do if anything goes funky though, cause that stuff confused me.
Just got back from Minnesota but I’m in Illinois so I just smuggled my own medical stuff across state lines, through Iowa and Wisconsin. Next time I’ll be able to buy some there and not have to worry about federal prison over a plant 😎
There’s only one legal shop up and running right now, way up north on the red lake rez. By all means stop in if you can, but if your elsewhere you’ll be sol
I’m 40 now. I freaking loved PeeWee when I was a kid. This hurts. I’m hoping when I get to the pearly gates I hear “Ha ha! Ahhh!”. Probably want to see my grandma first now that I think about it.
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You are literally making the comment that you are apparently trying to lampoon. In much the same way that you apparently NEED guns to defend yourself from… guns?
You do not need free speech, freedom or religion, right to vote, etc, etc. You are guaranteed to not have them taken from you or have your access to them limited… for any reason. That’s how rights work.
There are actually tons of laws that limit or revoke those rights. Nevermind the fact that the constitution was LITERALLY made to be changed and amended when appropriate.
“… the man, aged 45, had been charged with 1,623 child abuse offences against 91 girls, including 136 counts of rape and 110 counts of sexual intercourse with a child under 10.”
These are the outliers where, personally, the death penalty is warranted if convicted. They do not need to be reproducing or influencing others on this. Good or bad.
Some might even say oh they can be rehabilitated and help stop others from going down that road. Yeah right. We don’t know for sure what causes it, but we do pretty much know these thoughts don’t just go away. At the end of the day, this abuser gets to continue living while others are living with the abusers’ actions for life.
One has to ask at what point do you draw the line and stop spending resources to preserve this legacy (even if it is cheaper to just house inmates).
I have no problem with monsters to be tortured if it is better for victims or for anyone in society who wishes so.
But (maybe?) hate generates more hate. So, in the end, it would be bad for our mental health.
Harsh and inhumane treatment is rarely the disincentive folks often think it is. It also provides an extreme incentive for folks to plead guilty to other offenses to avoid being charged for such a crime - which can be good if they are guilty of something and this allows for justice without further harming the victims, but also would lead to innocent people pleading guilty to avoid the possibility of being boiled alive. That kind of shit is used every day in the justice system (in America) to avoid people clogging up the courts by insisting on exercising their right to a fair trial.
This is one of those problems which has a solution that is clear, simple, and wrong. Criminals must be treated with basic human dignity, because unless you are the almighty, you can’t possibly know exactly what a person “deserves.”
I’m not trying to be harsh or anything. Feelings like this are absolutely understandable and natural. I have 5 kids and were someone to harm them I would demand to see every manner of cruelty inflicted upon that person. But our laws must strive to be better then that.
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