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Domille ,

for crying out loud… I read the title as “… enforce ban on transgender care for minions”…

BertramDitore ,
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Don’t let them tell you they care about “families,” that’s clearly bullshit. Your kid has a rash? None of my fucking business. My kid has gender dysphoria? None of your fucking business.

These bigots need to think hard about why they care so much about random kids private bits. It’s creepy.

Reva ,

The thing is, they don’t believe in gender dysphoria or a healthy way of being trans. In their (wrong) world view, a minor transitioning is being sexually abused by their parents for a fetish or a political belief. They believe they are protecting these kids from being mutilated and mentally groomed into being sex deviants by abusive parents who want to ban their kids being straight or cis for political brownie points. They think that being trans is a cross-dressing and humiliation fetish forced upon children due to the parents’ ideology.

Of course that point of view is utterly wrong, but it’s hard to argue privacy with them if, in their world view, it’s kids being mutilated and scarred for life.

This is simply to say that if the base assumptions are different, these arguments can lead nowhere. If their world view was correct (it isn’t), it would be entirely reasonable to ban such a cruel grooming and sexual abuse practice, and it would probably also justify all the hate and vitriol - we would probably do the same if the base assumption was correct, and it would be infuriating if the other side would excuse it with “none of your business I am abusing these children”.

The only difference is that their world view is ostensibly not correct, and being trans is not what they have been convinced it is.

BertramDitore ,
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That’s a very good point, and one that my own echo chamber makes it difficult to wrap my head around. There are so many little rebuttals that come to mind, like “you trust your doctor when they say your kid needs glasses, but not when they say puberty blockers might save their life?” But you’re totally right, if the base assumptions are so out of whack, then the argument itself won’t go anywhere. So what do we do?? I find that maaany (most?) folks who know a trans person quickly realize that it doesn’t cost them anything to be kind and tolerant. All this hatred must be so exhausting…

Reva ,

I think the best thing to do would simply be to bring the debate constantly back to challenging their base assumptions, not to moral arguments that assume your own world view. Anything that builds on both people having the same world view on the subject matter will fail automatically because that’s just not the case.

In the abortion debate for example, no person who is convinced that an abortion literally kills a living, conscious baby is ever going to accept the “my body my choice” argument or the “you just want to control women” one, because obviously bodily autonomy ends at murder, and they believe that these women willfully commit murder. That’s why that argument won’t go anywhere - no reasonable person would believe that anyone has the right to murder someone else on a whim due to their own “bad decisions”, let alone a baby.

That’s why, to truly convince people, you need to show or demonstrate how their base world view is wrong. This is very hard and nigh-impossible, but there is no other way. Someone who is convinced that trans people groom children to participate in their crossdressing fetish will never accept any arguments that are built on the view that trans people are ordinary people who just want to live their lives - because sexual abuse are crimes with victims.

They’re simply not talking with each other on similar grounds.

This is all not to say that you should tolerate or feel pity for these opinions - you shouldn’t - but if someone is actually set on convincing their political enemies of their side, they need to begin at the very base assumptions because they differ wildly.

MushuChupacabra ,
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What a shithole state.

who8mydamnoreos ,

The locals will celebrate by continuing to look the other way while pastors rape and indoctrinate their children

MagicShel ,

“We’ve passed a law banning people from privately doing things we don’t like. Yay small government!!!”

FlyingSquid ,
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Small government for me, big government for thee.

FlyingSquid ,
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Children will die because of this. And that’s what they want. Less queer children. Sick fuckers.

flipht ,

Fewer queer children, and also people they can point to and tell their own children, "See? They're miserable. You'll be miserable too if you don't stay in the church and marry the opposite gender and start pumping out babies."

TrismegistusMx , (edited )
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And the locals love it.

facebook.com/…/pfbid024WYVGtycFECvpHLYfXh4p7PAyMR…

BadEngineering ,

Not all of us. I'm Ky born and raised and a trans woman. While we do have an over abundance of religious bigots about a third of us are decent people.

TrismegistusMx ,
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We’re too few and too far between.

JustZ ,
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Facebook. Half of those accounts are probably Russians.

TrismegistusMx ,
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It would be nice, but no. You can verify they’re just dumb country hicks, exercising their freedom to hate.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

What a terrible thing to do.

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