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irkli , in US citizens will need to pay for a visa to travel to Europe starting in 2024
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Eight! Dollars!

Lol.

I cynically assume that the visa requirement is to head off future waves of refugees, climate and otherwise.

Vupperware , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered
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This is huge, is it not? No loss in potential energy means that I could have an infinitely floating coffee cup without the use of power, no?

DominicHillsun OP ,

It is absolutely huge

It means that you can make supercapacitors which have larger energy storage density than our current batteries by who knows how many times

TheYang ,
@TheYang@lemmy.world avatar

What’s the connection between conductivity and capacitance?

It’s been a while…

xkforce ,

If it were real maybe. But having read the paper, I am very skeptical that it is.

Tibert ,

I didn’t read or watch the video yet, but if it works like the current superconductors, the magnetic fields will be repealed and cannot enter the superconductor.

However currently is it possible to make superconductors with impurities allowing the magnetic fields to enter (through the impurities) in the superconductor. This allow quantum locking / magnetic locking.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_pinning

However as said above, you need a magnetic field. So either a permanent magnet or by generating one with electricity use.

Another interesting thing is that superconductors allow to store electricity for an indefinite amount of time. Like you put eletrcitiy in it and it will still be in it after 20+ years. However it is not an infinite energy. If it generates work or it is extracted from there, it will dissipate. As the energy will be used up.

conciselyverbose , in US citizens will need to pay for a visa to travel to Europe starting in 2024

“Most Americans, in fact, all Americans, are not used to doing this to go to Europe so there’s going to be lots of surprises at boarding gates with people being denied boarding over the first couple of weeks if this goes into effect.”

Maybe just require verification of the authorization to book international flight? If it says you need it to book a room, I have to imagine there's some way for airlines to verify it.

whereisk ,

There is and most of these types of visas can be issued at check-in electronically. People need to relax.

eramseth , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

Maybe it’s me misunderstanding, but 127 is considered room temp?

DominicHillsun OP ,

127c is the maximum operating temperature. If it goes above that, it looses superconductivity.

This material below 127c (which is insanely hot for superconductors) will be superconductive.

Operating range is -273c to 127c

eramseth ,

Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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  • YourAvgMortal , in Elon Musk just changed Twitter’s logo again — sort of

    He’s like Trump, he panics if he isn’t in the news for two minutes

    TWeaK ,

    Block the rich

    Firefox

    Chome

    WolfhoundRO ,

    And he’s a narcissist just like Trump

    PupBiru , (edited ) in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered
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    anyone with a better understanding able to articulate potential trade-offs/complications to using this in practical applications?

    *edited:
    more discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36864624

    the critical field and critical current seem very low … This means you can't actually push big current through this thing (yet). You can't make a powerful magnet, and you can't make viable power lines

    The method to produce this material as described in the related paper [1] is fairly simple and could be done at home with a $200 home metal melting furnace from amazon and the precursors (which also seem to be fairly standard easy to obtain metals)

    Read this comment thread from SC researchers: <reddit link removed>
    Lots of problems with the paper, they claim. It is not up to the standards of current SC research. One of them says Dias's work shows more merit than this.

    DominicHillsun OP ,

    Insane capacity batteries

    Lossless power transmission via wires

    Better magnetically levitating trains

    Much more power efficient computers, electronics

    The list is huge

    Ashiette ,

    The only drawback is that LK-99 is polycristalline… Levitating trains and computers, electronics, are a stretch as long as the material is not monocristalline.

    It is huge nethertheless.

    transientpunk ,
    @transientpunk@sh.itjust.works avatar

    ELI5?

    Ashiette ,

    ELI5 :

    Think of the material as a powder. You can compress the powder and make current flows though it. It’s good for wiring, etc.

    But to have an application in electronics, it would have to be like a metal, which it can’t be since it’s a powder

    TonyTonyChopper ,
    @TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

    Metals are usually polycrystalline. Not sure what you’re trying to say.

    TWeaK ,

    Power cables are currently (heh) designed to operate below 90degC, because after this you get thermal runaway and the conductor melts. That’s already within the operating range of this.

    PupBiru ,
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    from what i read, it doesn’t seem like you’re able to push much current through it, which makes power cables an unlikely application in its current (heh) form

    PupBiru ,
    @PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

    no i know many of the applications, its huge if true! i understand that, but almost everything like this comes with trade-offs, and i was wondering if there are any here that would make it non-viable for some/all applications

    schroedingershat ,

    The claimed saturation current is very low. If this is inherent and not just a first-try thing it will be less-good than permanent magnets for doing many magnetic-field things and less-good than Aluminum for some current-carrying things.

    It’s a perovskite, in semiconductor applications these have stability and durability problems.

    It might also be a scam. This would make it useless.

    DominicHillsun OP ,

    It would be a real bummer if this came out to be untrue. However it’s simple enough to replicate, so we will know soon enough

    psud ,

    In amongst that discussion is a lot of reason to hope this will be better, several note that the researchers made a low quality sample “spongy crap” and that in other superconductors made at that quality are just as limited, only becoming useful when better quality samples are made

    PupBiru ,
    @PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

    that’s great news! let’s hope replication and peer review is smooth!

    wanderingmagus , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    This… this is literally revolutionary if true. Has it been corroborated by other experiments? How certain are the results? How hard is it to mass produce this? This could literally be the breakthrough of the century in materials science here.

    DominicHillsun OP ,

    The researchers and university are trustworthy, however this information is so new that others are still learning about. What is interesting is that the process isn’t very complicated and if you have a vacuum furnace, you can potentialy replicate their results.

    XTornado , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    If they take too long the room temperature won’t be enough due the increase in temperatures 😅 /s

    schroedingershat ,

    Tc is allegedly 120C, so we,ve got a couple of years if it’s not a scam.

    wanderingmagus , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    Incidentally, here’s the same research with more co-authors.

    arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037

    randomaccount43543 , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    Just a word of caution: Non-peer reviewed, non-replicated, rushed-looking preprint, on a topic with a long history of controversy and retractions. So don’t get too excited yet.

    ViridianNott ,

    Okay so I agree that it needs to be peer reviewed and independently verified before we can trust it. But how exactly does the preprint look rushed?

    Chrobin ,

    It’s visibly made in word. That’s enough to be rushed.

    febra ,

    Exactly. Most papers I’ve seen out there use LaTeX. This is clearly Microsoft Word.

    Chrobin ,

    And it definitely looks it. That is, shitty.

    SamC ,

    Depends on the discipline, but yeah, engineering would usually be LaTeX

    soEZ ,

    Most engenee fields use word…many don’t even accept latex…judging quality of work bases on how a paper looks is shallow and irresponsible.

    4ce ,

    In physics, however, using Latex is absolutely the norm, and on the arxiv it’s also absolutely the norm. That they aren’t using it shows at the very least that they’re out of touch with academic practice. I mean, if their extraordinary claim is true it would be one of the most significant discoveries of the century and pretty much a guaranteed Nobel prize. Therefore you might think they would put at least some amount of effort into presenting their results, such as producing nice looking plots, and, well, using Latex like a normal working physicist. The fact that they don’t doesn’t mean that they’re wrong, but it doesn’t exactly increase their credibility either.

    PS: I also just noticed that one of their equations (p. 9 in 2307.12008) literally contains the expression “F(00l)”. Again, maybe they’re just oblivious and didn’t realize that could look like they’re calling us fools, but the extraordinary claims together with the rather unorthodox and low-effort presentation make me very skeptical.

    soEZ ,

    This is fair enough…but still seems odd to judge paper solely based on text editor choice…judging paper based on clear errors in presented information is fair game.

    Sheltac ,

    Hi. I hold 3 degrees in engineering. 100% of what you said is wrong.

    Latex is the norm in any engineering publication I’ve ever been involved with, be it as author, reviewer, or editor. The ones that do take word do so reluctantly and only in a way they can readily convert to latex later.

    Judging a quality of a word based on how a paper looks is perfectly valid. I’m disinclined to trust research by people not willing to put in the minuscule effort of typesetting a paper. What else did they cut corners on?

    rishabh , (edited )

    Have you… seen the… figures?!! Also, the Arxiv listing had a spelling mistake. “First” was spelled as “firs”.

    cryball , (edited )

    I would also like to know. Apparently there were some proofreading errors etc. Someone in reddit explained that rushing the publish might be explained by wanting to stake the claim and get the ball rolling on reproducing the results as fast as possible.

    ViridianNott ,

    Honestly as someone who is also in research, that is pretty understandable. Preprint papers are all subject to peer review and editing after the fact, but are a good opportunity to stake your claim on a big discovery before someone else can. Preprints are inherently not final versions and I guarantee that the mistakes will be caught before publication.

    cryball ,

    As someone that no longer has access to university library’s journal subscriptions, I very much support publishing these in a openly accessible manner.

    ilovesatan , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered
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    Here we go again…

    betterdeadthanreddit , in Colorado Cop Who Left Handcuffed Woman on Train Tracks Says It was an Accident

    Colorado cop who left man shackled to table in the path of an industrial laser beam says it was an accident. Officer Goldfinger claims he didn’t realize the machine was on.

    xkforce , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    I would be very skeptical of this paper’s claims.

    1. It hasnt been peer reviewed
    2. The data hasn’t been replicated
    3. The clains being made are extraordinary. i.e a cheap material that has a superconduction transition temperature 200 degrees kelvin above the cuprates at standard pressure
    4. The fragility of this superconductive state makes me wonder if what theyre claiming to observe is an artifact (pathological science) rather than a real effect
    5. The paper is “rough around the edges” i.e multiple proofreading mistakes and has undergone little apparent editing for quality
    schroedingershat ,

    There’s no room for pathological science

    sciencecast.org/casts/suc384jly50n

    The only way to do something like that with diamagnetism or ferromagnetism is to deliberately fake the arrangement of magnets.

    xkforce , (edited )

    There is always room for pathological science. Especially when something like room temperature superconductors are the subject in question. A good researcher will try to find and test all the alternative hypotheses that they can. i.e contrast the cisplatin paper with fleischmann and pons’ paper about cold fusion. This paper reminds me a lot more of the cold fusion paper than it does the cisplatin paper. Another example of a bad paper would be NASA’s announcement of a microbe that used an Arsenic containing analog of DNA.

    schroedingershat , (edited )

    I’m not excluding the possibility of fraud, but the fraud would have to be deliberate, not self delusion.

    whodatdair , in Elon Musk just changed Twitter’s logo again — sort of

    Lmao, he definitely looked at the graphic designer and said “make it bolder”

    ME5SENGER_24 ,

    Considering its just an X from an open source font, I wonder if the designer just looked at him pressed Ctrl+B then walked off into the sunset

    CeruleanRuin ,
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    Papyrus incoming.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I said this three days ago:

    Nah, it will be minimalist. Because minimalism is cool. It will be a white X on a black background. And it will be Helvetica.

    I was so close to right.

    Zana ,
    SomeoneElse ,

    I don’t think there was a graphic designer - isn’t it just a font someone used for their podcast?

    feedum_sneedson , in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

    Really? That’d be something else.

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