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Pyr_Pressure , in There are almost no national safety rules protecting US workers exposed to high heat

I find this to be a big problem.

There is plenty of evidence saying that working outdoors at specific temperatures and humidity is extremely harmful and dangerous, but no legal obligation for employers to provide more rest/water breaks and shade the hotter it gets.

TheDubz87 ,

We have a construction crew next door everyday building a new warehouse and I’m happy to see that they call it quits on days the temp spikes up past 100. There is zero shade around here mid day, and they’re basically working out in the middle of a huge concrete slab currently. Most of the time they start early and end early with the exception of a few guys hanging around to unload flatbed with incoming materials. Very rare, but it seems a few firms out there do care about their employees well being.

SlovenianSocket ,
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We do this as well. Left site at 12:30 yesterday as it was starting to get too hot in the building

teft , in There are almost no national safety rules protecting US workers exposed to high heat
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We should have a national system like how the army uses. There are heat categories and depending on what the heat & humidity are tells you how long you can work for and how long your rest period is. It also tells you how much water you should be consuming for each level of heat. This system kept us safe in Iraq in 130 degree heat so I don’t see why we couldn’t implement it.

HubertManne ,

this. we spent money to determine these levels to and like the internet this should benefit everyone. Heck I don't know what the levels are and I should as I should follow them if Im doing a weekend project.

teft ,
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HubertManne ,

heck that is useful even if taking a walk in hot weather. thanks.

Turkey_Titty_city , in A teachers union says it’s fed up with social media’s impact on students

I don't get why kids are allowed to have phones in the school. Just install signal blockers. Parents can call the office if there is an emergency like it's 1995.

SmarfDurden ,
@SmarfDurden@lemmy.world avatar

Probably because of emergency services if I had to guess

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

The FCC will not allow that. Huge fines.

derpo ,

Easy, they try to come in and collect fees, I’ll send straight to detention. Eventually all those FCC guys will be stuck in the mean teacher’s room next to band class. Problem solved!

Gosh, I’m good at this

001100010010 , (edited )
@001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Signal jammers are illegal. Certainly wouldn’t be a good idea to install those in the US, where school shootings are common.

Edit: Also, unrelated to the signal jamming thing you talked about:

Phones are useful in case of a fight were to occur, which happen very often (at least in schools I went to). Video recordings are good to determine fault. School surveillance cameras are often cheap, blurry, unreliable, have many blind-spots, and also forbidden in classrooms (at least in the US). In addition, sometimes classrooms still use old textbooks that only have 1 class set, and are very heavy to carry, and they aren’t available online, so in that case, kids can just take photos of the textbook and the school saves a lot of money from having to copy-print the textbooks, so maybe they just need to make 1 or 2 copies for the kids that don’t have a phone. Phones are very useful, just needs reasonable rules. A complete ban is not necessary in my opinion.

RGB3x3 ,

It wouldn’t surprise me if places in the US found ways to make school shootings worse than they already are.

Draconic_NEO ,
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A lot of people don’t realize this but signal Jammers are illegal. There was actually a professor who was put on administrative leave for using one, he was lucky that he didn’t have to pay fines or that he wasn’t sent to jail for it.

RGB3x3 ,

I agree that they shouldn’t be allowed to have phones during class. It would actually probably be best if the students had assigned classrooms, they stuck their phones in a teacher-controlled box at the beginning of the day, then the teachers move classrooms to teach each subject.

Then the kids get their phones back during lunch and at the end of the day.

TenderfootGungi ,

I agree. Just have a designated box or place for the students to leave their phones in each classroom. They can grab them in an emergency or on their way to lunch.

ninbreaker ,

the only people that's stopping are the honest ones and those who only have access to one(or none) phone. It'll just add on the teachers already heavy load. I don't think it's such a great idea turning school into basic military training.

001100010010 ,
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Meh… Kids need to learn self control. Who’s gonna hold their phones when they have a job, or during a funeral? Workplace don’t want to be responsible for your phone, and they’ll just fire you if you get caught using your phone during work hours. Also liability problems… what happens if the phones are damaged or missing? What if some creepy pedophile teacher injects spyware in the phones when the kids attention are focused on a test?

If you can’t leave you phone in a backpack for a few school hours, how do you deal with not being able to use your phone at a job which may have even more hours, and which your livelihood depends on?

NuPNuA ,

Depends where you work, everywhere I’ve ever worked in the last two decades haven’t minded you using your phone providing you aren’t spending all day staring at it.

001100010010 ,
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Even if you are allowed to use your phone, I’m pretty sure low-performance would get you fired from almost every job. The point still stands, kids need to learn self-control starting at a young age.

ChootchMcGooch ,

Morbid but with the amount of school shootings that have happened the more people that can call 911 the better. The kids need the phones to possibly save their lives. Signal blockers are not the answer.

TenderfootGungi ,
InvaderDJ ,

In a country where kids drill for school shootings, not having cell phones so emergency calls can be made from anywhere should be a non-starter.

MostlyBirds ,
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You’re aware that students aren’t the only people in schools, right?

InvaderDJ ,

Not sure how that matters. Teachers and other staff could have phones true, but what if a shooting happens in the bathroom? Or in the halls where there are no teachers? Or the teacher is killed first and all the kid’s phones are locked up somewhere?

But to be clear, I don’t think that means kids should be using them during class. I can’t remember where I saw this, but putting boxes on each desk where kids can put their phones that stay there until after class or an emergency is an option. Or just tell them to keep them in their pockets and discipline them if they use them during class.

MostlyBirds ,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

Have never heard a gunshot before? If you shoot even a dinky little .22 pistol in a school bathroom, half the fucking building is going to know it.

InvaderDJ ,

I own multiple. Again, I don’t see how that matters. In an environment where school shootings are common, taking away a way to reach emergency services at anytime, anywhere should be a non-starter.

MaxVerstappen ,

How many school shootings happen per day by you? It must be crazy there huh?

BlitzFitz ,
@BlitzFitz@lemmy.world avatar

I’m with you on this. How is having like 300+ more options available (depending on the school) to call the police really something that will help with school shootings specifically. Like if it happens a teacher would call.

People are so paranoid about not having instant connections available at all times. It is not that needed. Especially with kids in school.

Having everything at your fingertips is great, in theory. But for kids without the ability to regulate, it’s as much a distraction than an advantage.

dragonflyteaparty ,

You know what happened in Uvalde, right?

rusticus1773 , in Trump classified documents trial set for May 2024

Don’t forget that Trump is now a convicted rapist, as confirmed by the judge in his E Jean Carroll case. Close to half of the US population is willing to vote for a convicted rapist. Now tell me democracy is not in peril in the United States with a straight face.

orclev ,

The problem is they’ve lost touch with reality. They refuse to believe anything that paints “their side” in a bad light and instead choose to believe in vast conspiracies to frame everyone. To their world view there’s a cabal of rich powerful liberals that control all media and government departments around the world and they’re constantly working to frame or eliminate conservatives.

They literally don’t believe Trump has ever done anything wrong in his life and that everything he has been accused or even convicted of is fake. Any reports even suggesting his involvement in anything negative are fake and part of the massive conspiracy.

There’s literally no way to reason with them as they can simply choose to ignore anything they don’t like and chalk it up to the “liberal conspiracy” probably while muttering something about George Soros and Bill Gates.

FlowVoid ,

That’s not really true. The E Jean Carroll case found him liable for defamation in a civil case. The standard was lower than for a criminal conviction (just as OJ lost his civil case but was not convicted of murder).

Furthermore, Trump basically accepted that he was liable for defamation, but not necessarily guilty of rape. That was enough for the judge, so he did not have to “confirm” anything else.

orclev ,

You’re kind of both right and both wrong. Trump was not literally convicted of rape, that’s true. On the otherhand the defamation he was found guilty of was saying the E Jean Carroll was lying about him raping her. One logically follows from the other. You do raise a good point though in that the burden of proof in this case was lower.

At the very least we can say it is highly likely Trump is a rapist based on his conviction (plus the various comments he has been caught making such as his infamous “grab em by the pussy” remark).

FlowVoid , (edited )

In general, when someone refuses to contest an allegation then nobody will determine whether the allegation is true. There are reasons to do this even if the allegation is false. For example, it might be too expensive to litigate. Or in defending yourself against one charge, you might have to reveal additional information that you don’t want brought to light.

In other words, nobody found Trump guilty of lying. For all we know, the judge and jury thought Trump was telling the truth. But legally, they were forced to presume he defamed Carroll because Trump refused to contest the allegations. The only thing the court had to decide was what the damages would be if Carroll was telling the truth. Which automatically became the actual damages.

That said, it’s entirely reasonable for you to suspect he committed rape based on other evidence. But the court verdict itself neither supports nor refutes your suspicion.

orclev ,

Realistically Trump would have at least attempted to defend himself if he was actually innocent barring worry about being forced to reveal even more incriminating evidence (which for the purposes of this conversation would actually be worse). The only other reasonable explanation I could see applying would be if he just didn’t care, that he felt the judgment would be small enough he could effectively ignore it, and that he knew his base wouldn’t care because they never believe he does anything wrong. That still seems to run counter to his usual behavior though and would demonstrate a level of calculation that literally Trumps entire life has shown him incapable of, although maybe for once he actually listened to one of his advisors.

While the court case isn’t absolute proof of his guilt, it does weigh very heavily in favor of it. I think it’s highly misleading to say it neither supports nor refutes the allegations of rape. It absolutely supports those allegations, it just doesn’t unequivocally prove them.

Cubes ,

Actually, Trump was explicitly found NOT liable for rape, but for “sexual abuse” in the E Jean Carroll case. This was a question that was asked of the jury, and they said that they had not proven that he raped her.

That said, I fully believe he did rape her and do agree with your assertion that it is still likely that he’s a rapist. However, it is still factually inaccurate to say he’s a “convicted rapist” or even that he was found liable for rape because those have specific legal meanings.

Coffeemonkepants ,

Actually, the judge commented directly in a written response, that yes, the jury did find that Trump raped Carroll. newrepublic.com/…/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-d…

Eldritch ,

Many of them literally believe without irony that Democrats drink the blood of young children to stay youthful forever. Feeding off their adrenochrome.

Sure the people they’re voting for aren’t very good at all. But in their minds they’re better than adrenochrome vampires. The problem is most of them have no contact with reality. And nothing will sway their minds once they’ve been made up. Literally made up

Scubus ,

in their mind

Unlikely

Fapper_McFapper , in Fulton county prosecutors prepare racketeering charges in Trump inquiry

Get fucked Trump!

Weirdfish , in Texas worker accused of being on drugs was actually dying of heatstroke

I got pretty bad heat stroke once while running in Texas. Was in the military, and due to a stupid miscommunication was told I was not allowed to drink water.

Lap or two later and I started having symptoms I’d never experienced before.

I can 100% believe that my look and behavior could have been mistaken for drug use.

I had stopped sweating, looked pale and disoriented, I’m sure I was not speaking clearly. My friend grabbed me and dragged me to a water fountain.

Once I had time to recover, get some A/C, and rehydrate, I was pretty much fine, though I remember having one hell of a headache like a hangover.

Mirshe ,

Yeah, you start acting this way because your brain literally starts to boil in your skull. Over a certain temperature, your sweat glands start dying and so your body has no other effective ways to shed heat from your core.

Well There’s Your Problem just had a very horrifying episode about heatstroke - they had a physical therapist on to talk about the Jordan McNair heatstroke case in 2018 at U Maryland.

MoonshineDegreaser ,
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3 times in my life I can tell you that I had heat exhaustion. One time I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital. It is the absolute worse feeling I’ve ever experienced

Jaysyn , in Alabama GOP refuses to draw second Black district, despite Supreme Court order
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Alabama is currently "fucking around".

The "finding out" stage is having your electoral maps redrawn by lawyers in D.C. & enforced at gunpoint.

BertramDitore , in Amsterdam bans cruise ships to limit visitors and curb pollution
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Amsterdam’s council has banned cruise ships from the city centre as the Dutch capital tries to limit visitor numbers and curb pollution.

exohuman , in Judge: West Virginia can't require incarcerated atheist to participate in religious programming
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Good. I have grown tired of the brainwashed reformed criminal that spends all his time being overly aggressive about religion and downright hateful with it.

Plaid_Kaleidoscope , in Judge: West Virginia can't require incarcerated atheist to participate in religious programming
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I fucking love this guy. Fuck RSAT and fuck the WV DOC. The whole thing is a mess. Prison reform, now!

SlovenianSocket , in German police end hunt for lioness and believe creature was wild boar
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I think I’d rather face a lioness than a wild boar tbh

PenguinJuice , in A teachers union says it’s fed up with social media’s impact on students

We should make kids sleep at school during the school year with no access to phones or the internet.

hi_im_FitcH ,

We should do the same with you, at your work then, just so you can see how dumb that would be. But only you.

grte , (edited )

Surely you can understand that person was being facetious? Are people this clueless?

[Edit] I guess we have our answer. People are clueless.

520 ,

Some people genuinely believe these things, and it's not a small number. There's an entire horrific industry around it.

grte ,

There is not a large number of people who think children should be made to spend 100% of the time at school, including being made to sleep there. People are interpreting that person’s obvious sarcasm seriously so they can be upset about i t. Not necessarily intentionally, they may just be dense. But that’s what they’re doing.

520 ,

Look up the 'troubled teen' industry. You will be shocked an appalled.

grte ,

No, I won’t, because that has nothing to do with what the person was saying.

520 ,

It has EVERYTHING to do with what that person is saying - 'troubled teens' is just how many of them justify abuses. Normal teenage behaviour, or even signs of LGBT+ or autism/ADHD are enough to get you sent to one.

grte ,

No it has absolutely nothing to do with what that person said. That person was making a fucking joke and you are running wild with it like a crazy person. Cut it out.

520 ,

I'm just saying it's possible he was 100% serious, like flat earthers and anti-vax. It's possible to be 100% serious and completely idiotic at the same time

grte ,

Okay but it’s 1000x more likely they were making a joke so why are you acting like they being serious was the most likely option?

520 ,

I'm not the one acting like it's one way or another, I just said 'some people genuinely believe these things'.

You're the one acting like I'm on the attack when I'm not.

520 ,

I didn't make any commentary about how likely one or the other is, I just said 'some people genuinely believe these things'. I don't know them, I don't know you, what I do know is that there are people out there that actually believe this stuff and actually send their kids to them all because they had the nerve to answer back.

You're right, it's far more likely they're a sane person being sarcastic, but Poe's law is a very real thing. Because some people actually sound like this.

ninbreaker ,

Defo military parents would love turning all schools into training camps.

Protoknuckles ,

I mean, boarding school is a thing. He’ll, Hogwarts was a boarding school. The students slept there.

Spacebar , (edited ) in Alabama GOP refuses to draw second Black district, despite Supreme Court order
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The Supreme Court gave AL a one week deadline to draw a new map or they would draw it for them.

Alabama is choosing to let that happen in order to save face with their POS base.

By the next election, there will be a 2nd black district. There is no way around it.

ForestOrca ,
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Seeing this, wouldn't anyone, who isn't part of the hard core of the POS base, get really PO'd and motivated to do all the poll work etc to push the GOPers out? This isn't a long term strategy, and it's coming from a minority of eligible voters. So wouldn't they likely lose in the long run? Not flexible enough to keep with the changing times; they make themselves irrelevant. SMH

kitonthenet , in Alabama GOP refuses to draw second Black district, despite Supreme Court order

The federal government needs to go in and force the legislature to uphold its obligation the the rest of these United States. As Tom cotton once said: “send in the troops”

Zombiepirate , in Trump classified documents trial set for May 2024
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Seems like an own-goal to start the trial after he’s potentially secured the nomination.

iesou ,

The goal is to set the trial as l late as she can get away with, then stall, stall, and stall some more in hopes he can get reelected before it ends and then just pardon himself.

Zombiepirate ,
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I hope I don’t eat these words, but I don’t see how he could possibly win the general election after his other trials conclude.

It’s a pretty pathetic state of affairs that I fully expect him to win the GOP nomination because of his legal issues.

pelespirit ,
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They’re going to try to cheat and they’ve been working on that since last time to make that happen. They’re putting their side in charge of elections, redistricting, etc. While the press talks about Bobo & the clown and trump, they’re working on stuff behind the scenes.

Jaysyn ,
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Generally speaking, they were already in charge of elections & redistricting for a lot of states. The "Independent Legislature" thing the SCotUS kicked to the curb was their only real shot they had for outright "legally" stealing an election. Mathematically speaking, you can only gerrymander a given area so much & that hardly matters for Senate & Presidential elections.

They "caught the car" with Roe vs. Wade & don't know how the fuck to recover from that mistake.

"Wokeness" is about 3 times more popular than the GOP.

The GOP has lost 10 of their last 12 special elections, some of those in areas they were never supposed to lose.

Last time I looked, COVID was still killing 100 very likely GOP adherents every single day in the USA.

Millennials hate the GOP, almost monolithically. Demographics are going to crush the GOP in the next two elections.

iesou , (edited )

Gen Y Z is the same. I hope all of that matters

rjc ,
@rjc@lemmy.world avatar

Only matters if they vote

iesou ,

They voted in record numbers last presidential election. Hopefully that carries over.

lolcatnip ,

Millennials are Gen Y. Are you thinking of Zoomers?

iesou ,

Yes

iesou ,

I hope you’re right, but I know a lot of these state legislatures are doing their best to gerrymander, and otherwise rig elections. Some states are fighting that (Michigan is majority dem for the first time in forever because of a separate, non-politician run redistricting committee and expanded voting rights bills), but there are a lot (see North Carolina, and Alabama’s refusal to create a second majority black district even though they have been ordered to do so by the Supreme Court.

He won last time when everyone wrote him off. We shouldn’t make the same mistake again.

He’s not just a GOP candidate, he is the champion of grifters and fearful white people. I have lots of people who live near me with trump paraphernalia outside their houses and prominently displayed in their places of business. They are so invested in him that logic takes a back seat to the need to win.

iesou ,

I hope you’re right, but I know a lot of these state legislatures are doing their best to gerrymander, and otherwise rig elections. Some states are fighting that (Michigan is majority dem for the first time in forever because of a separate, non-politician run redistricting committee and expanded voting rights bills), but there are a lot (see North Carolina, and Alabama’s refusal to create a second majority black district even though they have been ordered to do so by the Supreme Court.

He won last time when everyone wrote him off. We shouldn’t make the same mistake again.

He’s not just a GOP candidate, he is the champion of grifters and fearful white people. I have lots of people who live near me with trump paraphernalia outside their houses and prominently displayed in their places of business. They are so invested in him that logic takes a back seat to the need to win.

kbity ,
@kbity@kbin.social avatar

All it takes is enough people who aren't fully committed Trump voters in swing states finding it difficult to vote, or ending up not voting out of apathy. Or those states picking electors who will give the votes to Trump regardless of who wins the vote. A Trump victory can't be ruled out even with what should be several major disqualifying factors running against him. That's more an indictment of America than a credit to the strength of his candidacy, frankly.

be_excellent_to_each_other ,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I dunno I still see this helping Democrats in the end. R will give him the nomination with all his fans proclaiming with great sureness that a presently campaigning former president who is trying to be re-elected cannot be convicted, then BOOM he gets convicted <6 months prior to the election. Then what?

Zombiepirate ,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

My thoughts exactly.

@pelespirit mentioned that there are behind-the-scenes machinations to disrupt the process, and that’s a very valid concern, but I don’t see how it could be close enough to make a difference though if Trump is convicted of any charges that have been brought.

I’ve been wrong before though.

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