There is not a large number of people who think children should be made to spend 100% of the time at school, including being made to sleep there. People are interpreting that person’s obvious sarcasm seriously so they can be upset about i t. Not necessarily intentionally, they may just be dense. But that’s what they’re doing.
It has EVERYTHING to do with what that person is saying - 'troubled teens' is just how many of them justify abuses. Normal teenage behaviour, or even signs of LGBT+ or autism/ADHD are enough to get you sent to one.
No it has absolutely nothing to do with what that person said. That person was making a fucking joke and you are running wild with it like a crazy person. Cut it out.
I'm just saying it's possible he was 100% serious, like flat earthers and anti-vax. It's possible to be 100% serious and completely idiotic at the same time
I didn't make any commentary about how likely one or the other is, I just said 'some people genuinely believe these things'. I don't know them, I don't know you, what I do know is that there are people out there that actually believe this stuff and actually send their kids to them all because they had the nerve to answer back.
You're right, it's far more likely they're a sane person being sarcastic, but Poe's law is a very real thing. Because some people actually sound like this.
Well, asking a christofacist conservative to think logically and empathetically vs emotionally and personally is like asking a rock to talk to you. It will never happen.
The traits that make a diehard conservative are counterintuitive to thinking in a macroscale; I literally dont think they are capable of it.
These people care more about an unborn baby than they do about the baby after it’s born. Actually sad.
If every one of these anti-abortion assholes want to start taking the babies of families who cannot raise them then it wouldn’t be seen as just a disgustingly hypocritical movement. That is not the case. If you want to start forcing women to have babies they can’t care for but you don’t want to take care of the consequences of that, you are the problem.
Nobodies out here delivering fully sized aborted babies for shits and giggles. Pregnancies are painful and traumatic enough.
I read the article, people who stand outside abortion clinics disuading people from getting abortions when they’re within the term time is the problem. It’s also possible to have invisible pregnancies. The article doesn’t contain enough to go into but you can’t deny that protesting and harassment outside of abortion clinics would scare people away from doing it legally. Which now it’s made harder.
No shit, I’m questioning why she didn’t go through the usual routes to get help. You know. responding with thought on what I think about the story… what you’re complaining about
My take on this is my take on school in general: it's manipulative, coercive, and overall bad for you. I say this having considered becoming a teacher, and having chosen to become a librarian instead precisely because I refused to lend my energy to the school system.
Teachers have a disproportionate influence over the lives of basically everyone. School being compulsory, and most people* not even understanding that alternatives exist let alone having the resources or wherewithal to pursue them, the influence of teachers is very nearly inescapable, and yet they always demand more. More hours, more days, more ceaseless undivided attention (regardless of the quality of their content or the interests of their captive audience), all in direct contradiction to mounting evidence that all of those things are bad for you.
Studies from Europe indicate that homework, for example, at best does nothing at all, and more likely is actively bad for you. (This doesn't really require modern science -- John Holt and John Gatto were writing about this in the 80s -- but modern science confirms it.) Students nowadays are subjected to levels of anxiety that would've gotten their grandparents hospitalized. The pandemic largely disbanding in-person schooling resulted in a noteworthy drop in student suicide rates. And still, the school system demands more control, more influence, more access to more of young people's waking lives, seemingly not content until every conscious breath is scheduled and supervised.
And then there are teachers' unions. Considering how badly teachers are paid and what utter trash their benefits are, it can be observed that the only significant function teachers' unions serve is to keep bad teachers from being fired. I know it's only anecdotal, but I have in my own experience observed teachers who re-use the same test papers for literally decades without changing a thing. This might be acceptable in math -- math doesn't change much -- but I've seen history teachers do this. Fuck's sake, man. Unions certainly do little enough to guarantee the quality-of-life of teachers making any effort to do their best.
The combination of artificially insatiable demand and utterly dogwater compensation means that the system has an incentive to churn out an unholy number of mediocre teachers, and then never let them be removed no matter how mediocre their service is. This is leaving aside the problem of teachers forgetting that the people across the desks from them are their employers, not their subjects, and the authoritarian attitudes that comes with that.
(I have to include an asterisk * above because when I say "most people" I mostly mean "most parents" -- the people actually affected by the failures of the school system are routinely denied any voice whatsoever in the management of that system, and as a matter of course denied any choice about their own education, so we can only talk about the knowledge and ability of people who are at least one step removed from even being involved in the situation, which is it's own problem, as you might imagine. In no other aspect of life does leaving decision-making in the hands of people unaffected by the consequences of their own decisions lead to good outcomes...)
There's more I could go into here. The failures of 'zero tolerance,' for instance; the root causes of school violence; the almost comedically cruel euphemism that is 'bullying'; the entire concept of the school-to-prison and school-to-military pipelines. There's a lot wrong with the idea of giving teachers more influence over people.
I am explicitly not saying that social media is the answer, but I am saying that I can very easily understand the desire -- the need -- of young people to claw back a few minutes at a time of their own waking lives for themselves.
I kind of wish you'd posted this before your original post, though I appreciate it was significantly more effort to type. You've made a number of well laid-out points that I largely agree with, but I'm not sure your original post indicated anything other than teacher and/or union bashing, which was difficult to get on board with!
I really appreciate the response. There are many good points you have. Though I would place much of the blame on school administrators, districts, and politicians that are meddling in the education system rather than teachers. I have family that are teachers and some I wouldn’t trust to teach basic arithmetic.
I personally would weigh teachers opinions heavier than those of the school and district administration as they are front line and see what our children are experiencing directly. I do agree that much of our education system could use reform to be more holistically focused on children’s general life and well-being. Though I consider that an extension of a general reform of our society with a greater push towards better work/life balance, improved social services, infrastructure, housing, etc.
As you’ve eloquently presented, teacher pay and benefits are abysmal. I would rather spend more time and taxes to improve those work conditions rather than condemn the union. I was regularly in classes of over 30 students (mind you, this was 2 decades ago) and decreasing the student:teacher ratio has always been an active topic they are working towards. Whether it’s better to have a lower ratio vs firing bad teachers is up for debate. There have been plenty of studies that show high student:teachers ratios are detrimental to students.
I haven’t spent a lot of time exploring the different schooling theories and styles like Montessori but perhaps another style may be a good change. A lot of parents aren’t aware of the options they have for their children, but that may also have socio-economic barriers that prevent them from being able to make a choice.
For me, it was I Think You Should Leave’s new season that got me to sign up for a month to binge that repeatedly. After we finish the documentary on Homo naledi we’ve been watching, we’ll cancel Netflix and start Max for a month so we can watch the new season of Righteous Gemstones.
Yeah, I’m not sure if people thought you agreed with the state…? I guess we generally see “As a Christian, I <insert terrible opinion here>”, so assumptions of that sort are likely, but I’m not sure. I try to do my part to show that we’re not all the Westboro Baptist type, too.
There will be people browsing the comments who read the article, left feeling angry and powerless. Then you reveal yourself as someone who ascribes to what they see as ‘enemy’, downvoting you is a way to exert some (small) sense of power. Try not to take it personally.
So she’s 18 and has a 3 year old. I ain’t no mathmagician, but that tells me she was knocked-up at 15.
Seems to me that if she had simply gotten an abortion like she should have at 15 she wouldn’t have ruined her life now.
But then again, this is Florida, so they ain’t too good at thinking down in America’s wang, and with her last name and living in Miami, I wouldn’t be too surprised if she was Cuban. Cubans tend to be rather conservative and conservatives tend to be anti abortion. So you done fucked up your life over some stupid ass shit.
Murdering a born child is way worse than aborting a lump of cells. Also, she could've saved the 3000 bucks and hand the kid over to the state. At least that way it might've had a chance at something, unlike his dumbass mother.
It’s Florida. What chance does that kid have? Their foster care system is a joke. Between child trafficking, number of missing (AND unreported) children, overcrowding, children being placed in the care of convicts, I don’t know how that could be better. I don’t know many states that could rank worse than Florida when it comes to child care.
The foster system in the US is pretty shit as a whole, but Florida is going the extra mile.
This is something I’m wanting to bring up in our next union negotiations. Anyone working in the heat needs this ironed out before the next few years, as summers just keep getting worse. It’s ridiculous there aren’t laws for this yet.
yep, they don’t mention, because now it isn’t an excuse or she die, or she going arrested, and the news don’t provide enough information anyway, just look at the news about mothers goibg sick because can’t get health care
Yeah, I’ve been wondering if that’s a possible reason she did it: one day the fetus stopped moving and she panicked. Knowing that women have died/almost died because doctors were scared to remove the dead fetus.
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