probably my biggest gripe with Lemmy right now. Feels like I'm just stuck in a loop.

Laticauda , 10 months ago

Top 6 hours or top 12 hours seems to have a better range of options. Try those.

Polar OP , 10 months ago

This is top 6 hours

CheezyWeezle , 10 months ago

My biggest gripe right now is how often everything goes down. About 6 times out of 10 when I go to load anything on lemmy it is down, confirmed on lemmy-world.statuspage.io

sicjoke , 10 months ago

considering hopping onto a different instance because of this. Lemmy.world in particular always seems to be experiencing issues.

Caoldence222 , 10 months ago

lemmon.zerobytes.monster/index

it’s not just you, the stats bear it out. LW has the worst uptime of any major instance. 92% so far this month according to their own monitoring and worse on bad days. They see a lot of load and have not scaled up enough to resolve it, nor have they restricted user signups at all to spread out new users across the lemmyverse. Seems like a very growth oriented mindset, which I don’t love to see spreading to the fediverse.

dan , 10 months ago

I personally wouldn’t use one the larger instances, as they’re usually going to have the most issues (more complex deployments, longer maintenance downtimes, etc)

BrisaLuna , 10 months ago

I am most comfortable with lemmy.world because of their old reddit formatting. It made the transition easy. Call it lazy or low brain, but maybe if other instances will also do the old format, they might get more users shifting to their instances too?

Still trying to learn here, but so far I find myself jumping back to old.lemmy.world simple because of familiarity.

Laticauda , 10 months ago

I had the most issues on my lemmy.world account. I’ve had less issues on my lemmy.ca account, maybe try making an account on a different instance? World has been getting attacked a lot lately.

popemichael , 10 months ago

After I went to my local instance of lemmy, sdf.org, I have literally zero issue

Cr4yfish , 10 months ago

I’m actually trying to solve this issue on my own Lemmy app. It automatically switches instances when the requested one is down. Works only in the Feed right now and, of course, accounts are still instance-bound - but I will fix that soon.

jao , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

lemmy.world got too big IMO. So I ended up switching to a different instance. If all the users were to evenly distribute themselves across many instances, and not just have everyone on like 1-3 different instances, I think that the issues with unavailability, lag, and whatnot would happen much less.

ijeff , 10 months ago

This is why it wasn’t until we didn’t commit to migrating /r/android over until lemdro.id was setup for us (!android).

coconutxyz , 10 months ago

On one hand yes annoying but on the other I’m grateful for their effort in generating post

Chickenstalker , 10 months ago

Do you wake up on the same snowy day, every day, with Sonny and Cher’s “I got you babe” playing on the clock radio?

ptz , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Nah, but I can’t seem to get out of this retro hotel room. It’s freezing in here, and “We’ve Only Just Begun” by The Carpenters keeps playing from the clock radio even though I unplugged it.

spoiler1408

DasRubberDuck , 10 months ago

Seems like we could use federation on the community level

akilou , 10 months ago

Yes, exactly this. Using Reddit as an anology, each Subreddit should be it’s own instance, rather than having duplicate subreddits across many instances.

monobot , 10 months ago

We would still have multiple instances/communities with the same name and intetest.

akilou , 9 months ago

As we dkd with Subreddit, but one usually wins out as the defacto.

wjrii , 10 months ago

I think that's more what the devs had in mind when they decided to make Lemmy federated. Each instance would be a little more distinct in the users it would attract (ideology, hobby, etc.), and federation would be more about exploring the local neighborhoods; maybe instances would even limit or ban user-created communities.

In reality, most instances seem to be attracting similar users and making mini-reddits that can talk to each other. It's ended up more about simple load balancing and having backup communities accessible should you get cut off from your preferred one. You can still get out and explore the nearby neighborhoods, but they have the same Starbucks and MicroCenter that yours does. This still is useful in its own way, but it comes with different set of challenges, particularly for the front-end UI's.

deweydecibel , 10 months ago

The problem is people that would be willing to run and moderate a sub on reddit are not all capable or willing to host an instance for that thing.

wjrii , 10 months ago

Yeah, I mean once it became clear the the Threadiverse would be populated by tens of thousands of self-exiles from Reddit who left for a bunch of issues, relatively few of them directly related to how federation should work (i.e. people like me), it was sort of bound to happen to any general interest instance.

The Star Trek and the security instances (and even lemmygrad) are probably more how the model was envisioned. I'm not entirely sure it's "better," but it is better suited to the infrastructure that was in place.

deweydecibel , 10 months ago

Yeah a big part of the reason why this is happening is because the vast majority of people coming here don’t give a shit about federation they just want a version of Reddit that isn’t Reddit.

I guarantee if another Reddit alternative starts growing that is centralized and more aligned with how reddit was, these people will leave for it.

wjrii , 10 months ago

I was on Squabbles for a bit when the API changes were looming. It was fine, I ran into nice folks, but more than the performance or the community, I was concerned that a single centralized site, run by one dude, who seemed determined to set it up to quickly monetize, was not going to be sustainable.

I admit that federation was not why I came to Kbin, but if federated sites are where open-internet folks are sharing links and pics and discussing them, then that's where I was headed. I suppose the good thing is that anyone who is deeply invested in federation working exactly how it was originally envisioned can continue to pursue that goal with their own instances, up to the point where they consider defederation with the (relative) normies.

buffaloseven , 10 months ago

That's not really how the technology works. But a simple solution could be, both in kbin and lemmy, if the software could aggregate link posts that share the same canonical link URL and provide a summary for each community that's linked it. Then you'd see the link once, but could see the post from each community that's linked it rolled up underneath it.

Kind of like how some RSS readers have a feature that will detect "hot links" in your feed and surface the link with access to the feed items below it rather than having the feed items scattered about.

pqdinfo , 10 months ago

A lot of this is purely teething issues related to (1) the fact federation seems difficult to understand to some people and (2) the fact it’s early and people keep thinking “Hey, wouldn’t it be great if there was a WORLD NEWS forum?” and they create it without realizing that actually a ton of other people have already created one.

It’s not like Reddit didn’t have a ton of duplicate or overlapping subs.

Maybe it should be easier to merge subs and instance admins could maybe encourage it if there’s no obvious reason why they have a sub that’s clearly a duplicate of one on another server.

realitista , 10 months ago

Yeah we need something like multireddits which have collections of communities across instances that can be subscribed to instead of the individual communities themselves. So your worldnews could be a single subscription of all the worldnews communities across lemmy.world, beehaw, etc. De-duping for extra credit!

Psaldorn , 10 months ago

If the title text is the same it should just squash them, show you all the options on further inspection.

wjrii , 10 months ago

This is my preferred option. Requires no underlying change to ActivityPub or federation, just makes the end user experience more pleasant until/unless communities gain more distinct personalities that would result in fewer reposts.

realitista , 10 months ago

Better yet, it should semi-force you to post as a crosspost which would remove the duplicate from end user feeds. Especially if there’s already a post on another community with a matching content link.

three20three , 10 months ago

Sort by Top 6 Hours vs Hot or Active

Deiv , 10 months ago

This was a game changer for me when I saw someone suggest it

Lux , 10 months ago

all of the posts in the screenshot were less than 6 hours old, so that probably wouldn’t help

yetiftw , 10 months ago

except that those three are probably calculated differently from each other

three20three , 10 months ago

It would give you the top posts from the last 6 hours so they should go away.

Hot or Active give you a lot of stuff that would fall under “New”.

Edit: I just looked at the top 20 posts on my Top (6H) feed and they all have 200 points or more. All of the posts on your screen shot have less than 20.

GentlemanLoser , 10 months ago

Top 6 gang

Polar OP , 10 months ago

This is top 6 hours.

Candelestine , 10 months ago

I agree, the cross-posting gets annoying. Why do people insist that everyone who is interested in a certain topic needs to participate in their post, so it has to go on every community?

People did not do that on reddit. They just made one post and waited for interaction.

Kalkaline , 10 months ago

Moderation helps with this.

fiah , 10 months ago

there were tons of cross posts on reddit, it’s just that they usually weren’t visible on the front page as such

deweydecibel , 10 months ago

It’s more that every sub had much different levels of activity so one repost would get attention while another dwindled.

The issue with Lemmy is activity is not centralized so each individual repost sees roughly as much activity as the other, so as far as sorting goes, they’re all considered to be as equally active, i.e. “Hot”. It’s all kind of flat line across communities.

We just need more activity, more people, more voting, making making more posts.

Potatos_are_not_friends , 10 months ago

The cross posts on reddit were terrible.

Same fucking post on awww, upliftingnews, mildlyinteresting, bustypetite, etc

hydrospanner , 10 months ago

This is the natural effect of the core structure of this platform.

And it’s only going to get worse as the user base increases and instances start to defederate one another due to differences in acceptable content and conduct.

I know saying anything the least bit critical of Lemmy means lots of downvotes, but the whole system seems far too prone to fragmentation and the repetition necessary to make up for it.

The whole appeal of Reddit was that it was a one stop shop for key discussion on the topics you were interested in. No matter how many similar communities popped up there was usually one subreddit that was the spot for a topic, and other similar ones were only viable if they focused on a specific niche. Here, it’s completely possible that there might be 20 communities on exactly the same subject that have 90% of their content overlapping…and you have to be subscribed to all of them if you want the extra 10% of unique stuff they bring to the table.

PizzasDontWearCapes , 10 months ago

The dream was that each instance would bring something different so the collective would be a mosaic of unique(ish) communities

The reality is that each community is an overlapping subset of the communities defined by the social sites like Reddit, going all the way back to Usenet groups

Lith , 10 months ago

People did this constantly on Reddit, I don’t know what you’re talking about.

suckmyspez , 10 months ago

I just block the accounts that do this. Make it much nicer to browse 👌

Amilo159 , 10 months ago

Agreed, this issue really kills the fun of browsing.

woelkchen , 10 months ago

There was talk about the ability to link communities in the future, so that dupes show up as merged. No idea what happened of that.

cerevant , 10 months ago

There is no point to linking communities- if they are going to have identical content, just pick one or the other.

A better option would be for cross posts (using the Lemmy cross post feature) to exist as a single entity that is visible in multiple communities. This would allow for some differences in moderation which is the justifiable reason for multiple communities on the same topic in the first place.

Deebster , 10 months ago

I’m surprised that no-one’s brought out a client that can merge communities. People properly using the cross-posting feature seems to help with this a bit.

CynicRaven , 10 months ago

Fuck yeah! I was just thinking about this the other day. Like a singular mask for all political communities, one for pictures, etc. Almost how Gaim/Pidgin/Adium/Trillion did for the multitude of competing chat programs back in the day.

jeena , 10 months ago

You’re not the first one, here is a open feature request from June 2020 github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

jeena , 10 months ago

But my favourite implementation would be that I as a user should be able to create virtual communities where I can put in one, two or several communities into one and it would be shown like one community in my UI.

wheeldawg , 10 months ago

I haven’t thought of those clients in years. I feel old. Used all of them except Adium, and I think it was just a specific kind of Trillian? Not too sure, it’s kind of fuzzy.

This sentence is being uttered by me more and more the last couple weeks.

Guess I’ll be dead of old age by next month or so. Rip.

CynicRaven , 10 months ago

lol you better not be dead in the next month or so!

I think Adium was, or now that I’m looking at Wikipedia became the OSX(as it was named at the time) implementation of Gaim/Pidgin. Was its own thing but started getting Gaim/Pidgin stuff implemented in it. Trillian, I think, was distinct because it was a closed source commercial product whereas the Gaim/Pidgin/Adium has always been an open source free kind of deal.

jeena , 10 months ago

At least if lemmy detects the same link it should view it as a cross-post automatically, even if people didn’t use the cross-post UI.

kresten , 10 months ago

@cyu stop cross-posting to the same communities, there’s no karma!

kresten , 10 months ago

Not sure if tagging is a thing 🤷

Historical_General , 10 months ago

@kresten did it work?

kresten , 10 months ago

https://feddit.dk/pictrs/image/d4dabff9-9cbf-47a9-8955-cb1d24f38172.webpI think it did actually. One of these most be from the ping, and the other must be from replying to my comment. It’s probably a bug tho.

Can you confirm that you also receive double notifications, @Historical_General ?

Historical_General , 10 months ago

Yes, I did. Wow, I’m happy to know that it works. The double notifications are wierd and a touch annoying, (something for devs to fix).

I’m happy it’s worked. But so long as I’m replying to you I suppose I don’t need to tag you.

kresten , 10 months ago

Awesome, thanks for testing it out with me XD

Yeah, I’ll probably make an issue for it whenever I get the time. I doubt it’s already there. I feel like it would be nice with an indication of why you are receiving a notification (e.g. dm, ping, reply, reply to post)

jeena , 10 months ago

If people would use the lemmy cross posting functionality it would only show up once.

Blaze , 10 months ago

Indeed, unfortunately most of the mobile apps don’t implement that feature

Coelacanth , 10 months ago

I think ljdawson is working on it for Sync. I assume that’s why he held off on implementing posting.

Blaze , 10 months ago

That would make sense

4am , 10 months ago

I didn’t even realize this was a thing already. The apps need to add this ASAP, seems like a pretty vital part of making the experience smooth.

Blaze , 10 months ago

They do, but they are also developed by volunteers

Reborn2966 , 10 months ago

if people do cross posts, will i see the post only once?

will lemmy detect that i can see the original + 3 crossposts and show me only the original?

this is more like a feature request, i don’t think we are there yet.

we could also aggregate and sync comments across cross postings, so that the post is really just one, but posted in more than one community.

Blaze , 10 months ago

if people do cross posts, will i see the post only once?

will lemmy detect that i can see the original + 3 crossposts and show me only the original?

On the website, it does

Amilo159 , 10 months ago

Problem is on mobile apps. If it works on website, that’s good but doesn’t solve the problem of majority of users that are on mobile.

Blaze , 10 months ago

Agreed, I said it in another comment

jeena , 10 months ago

I’m using the website on mobile and it does do it there too:

https://jemmy.jeena.net/pictrs/image/d1a8d9aa-9a9a-435b-91a9-1ad5faba1e15.jpeg

Tywele , 10 months ago

Mobile website != mobile apps

jeena , 10 months ago

Interestingly the title is “my biggest gripe with Lemmy” not “my biggest gripe with my app of choice”.

Tywele , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

The comment you were replying to was talking about mobile apps and not the mobile website.

Edit: took some rudeness out of the comment

jeena , 10 months ago

That’s great, but I was not replying to the content of the comment but amending the comment with more information.

jiji , 10 months ago

OP, like me, probably doesn’t/didn’t know that the website interface for Lemmy has a solution for this and it’s actually an app problem. So to OP it is a “Lemmy” gripe until we’re given more info. :)

jeena , 10 months ago

Yes, this is how it works in lemmy-ui. In this following example someone posted to !technology and I pressed the cross-post button and cross-posted it to !firefox:

https://jemmy.jeena.net/pictrs/image/1286a14c-35bb-416f-b7f7-0c4c4b4a483b.png

And if you cross post it to more then one there will be just a list of them.

twistedtxb , 10 months ago

Oh wow I didn’t know such thing existed on Lemmy

nostalgicgamerz , 10 months ago

Man Memmy needs that ASAP…

botorfj , 10 months ago

beeper spotted

Polar OP , 10 months ago

Great app that lets me participate in the forced WhatsApp groups without having meta garbage on my phone! Love it.