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Evil_Shrubbery , (edited )

Well, at least it’s casual racism, not professional racism.
Oh, it’s a newspaper, so a bit professional I guess, but like they didn’t use their “best” racists.

/s

Also who are the white folk they are referring to?
The other dude in the race is clearly orange (of some rapey citrus heritage). And the “catching” part, well, statistically speaking as DA she prob didn’t do that much of that color either.

Everything around this is multilevel horribly resist, and yet the reality is several parallel universes ahead.

sudneo ,

The “hunt” for the white man refers to her search for a white guy as a vice-president that can appeal to the “wasp” population. It’s a reference to western movies. The article is fully on her search for a vice-president and the “real” motivations for her choice.

Evil_Shrubbery ,

Yes, thx, I know, along with other inaccuracies it’s for the art of shit & giggles.

njm1314 ,

Fucking Italians man…

Evil_Shrubbery ,

I prefer Italian women, but you know … when on a road leading to Rome (but walking in the opposite direction for obvious reasons), one has to keep an open mind.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

Is that Elizabeth Warren?

sunzu ,

Man you know saying that shit is inflammatory but I still don't get why people get butthurt over somebody mentioning it than Liz doing it.

Telling about US political climate.

possiblylinux127 ,

WTF?

Socsa ,

Europeans: Americans are so obsessed with race

Also Europeans:

sudneo ,

This has almost nothing to do with race (or at least with hers), it’s just a dumb analogy to play with the title in a western movie fashion. “Hunting the white man” refers to the search for a white vice-president that would play well with “wasp” population.

sunzu ,

Basic Americans don't understand nuance or that other places have different ideas. To an American everything is done through America lens which frequently looks idiotic or poorly educated from outside.

Maggoty ,

I think any country would come asking questions if their political leaders were pictured with culturally sensitive stuff like this. Imagine if a mid tier US paper put modi in half Hindu half Muslim traditional clothing. To us it’s a quick way to talk about the two biggest religions in that country. Modi would be pissed though.

sunzu ,

Using a muslim and hindus here is funny, those guys can get riled over nothing burger fake shit spread on via social media... these clowns are not serious people but they do cause serious violence.

Maggoty ,

That was the point yes.

sunzu ,

So rest of the world should be accommodating degeneracy?

Maggoty ,

Oh twisted takes! This is a fun game! Let me try!

Did you just suggest Hindus and Muslims are degenerate people?

sunzu ,

The ones lashing out over dear leader depictions surely are!

Zero respect for this pathetic behavior.

Do you think they are justified in this savagery?

sudneo ,

OK, but there is a context that can be analyzed 10 seconds before jumping to conclusions. To be clear, this newspaper is still shit, but the reason people are getting upset are superficial and based on a wrong interpretation.

So the process for me is: oh this image looks racist/culturally insensitive -> let me understand how is it possible that such thing has been used -> the image is supposed to have something to do with westerns, which are a cultural feature of the people who used the image -> my cultural interpretation that made it racist or cultural insensitive does not specifically apply.

So questions are definitely welcome, and I think people are right to question, but people (for example in this thread) didn’t look for questions, arrived already with conclusions, assuming that their cultural lens was the only appropriate one to look at this fact, without even understanding the context (not even the cultural one, just what is written on the page).

flicker ,

This argument holds no water.

The idea that it’s exempt from accusations of racism because it’s unaware that it’s being racist just doesn’t track.

sudneo ,

I would say that racism is not something that exists in a vacuum and instead has intent, has an ideology behind and in many cases has also a goal. So yeah, I disagree with you fundamentally.

flicker ,

Racism doesn’t have to have intent. Racism can’t exist in a vacuum- that’s true- but the only context it needs is the concept of race.

A fantastic example would be rolling up all the Native American tribe into one group. Or attributing anything, even conceptually, to that group.

You don’t have to be aware that this is incorrect for it to qualify as racism, and you don’t have to have an intent about making that attribution to be wrong in doing so.

sudneo , (edited )

In which way this image rolls up every Native American into one group, considering that is a cultural reference to some specific movie genre (so it has to do with the group represented in those movies)?

Can you also point me to how you distilled this definition of racism? I just looked up www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

And I see:

  • a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
  • the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
  • a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles

To me in the definition above seems clear that there is some ideological scaffolding of racial superiority behind racism, or a precise goal of discriminate or oppress based on such ideology.

Could you maybe elaborate how this image is racist? Would have been as racist if they used a western hat instead?

EDIT: Ironically, the top level comment in this thread mentions “Europeans”, compressing many different people and cultures into one single viewpoint. Is that racist?

flicker ,

“Indians” don’t merely exist as a cultural concept in spaghetti westerns, and even if they did, fantastic racism is still racism.

Buuuut for fun, I’ll engage with your pivot to definition, and I’ll just add this quote for context that appears in the link you provided. Juuuust below your listed definitions.

Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word’s meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes. The lexicographer’s role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named or described by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals.

Isn’t that amazing? “They say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named or described by a word.” Your authority explicitly states that they shouldn’t be used as an authority in this context! Remarkable…

And now, in addition, I’ll provide the rest of that passage, which is also the absolute end of me interacting with you in this manner.

When discussing concepts like racism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.

Not only not meant to be used as an authority, but also unlikely to settle any dispute you might have about the word.

I’ll take their advice. You can reply however you like- my interest in this conversation has vanished. Hopefully someone more patient will come along.

sudneo ,

“Indians” don’t merely exist as a cultural concept in spaghetti westerns

But this is a referenced to those, specifically. You can’t make a reference and at the same time capture the plurality, can you?

even if they did, fantastic racism is still racism.

You can argue that western movies are racist, but using them as reference now that they are established culture is different.

Not only not meant to be used as an authority, but also unlikely to settle any dispute you might have about the word.

Sure, but you will have noticed that I first provided my own view and you provided yours - which I disagree with - so if we want to have a conversation, we need to have some fixed points, otherwise it’s impossible to understand each other if words mean different things to the both of us. I didn’t use the dictionary definition to build my argument, I have simply shown how the definition I use is consistent in some aspects (the intent, for example) with a formal definition.

At the same time, I asked explicitly to provide your own, and instead you spent all the time to quote a fairly irrelevant (in this context) passage, without ultimately showing why I should accept your definition that to me seems completely arbitrary, way too vague and generic.

So let’s just sit in this pit of ambiguity, in which anything can be anything, if you are creative enough.

Jiggle_Physics ,

Here is the fixed point they are arguing from, from an academic source, with a dive into the cognitive nature of it.

…springeropen.com/…/s41235-021-00349-3

sudneo ,

Thanks, I don’t have the time to read it all.

I checked the abstract and I read:

This tutorial reviews the built-in systems that undermine life opportunities and outcomes by racial category, with a focus on challenges to Black Americans.

(and more). The focus seems to be very strongly on American culture, and on institutional racism against black people in America.

Then I read:

Unconscious inferences, empirically established from perceptions onward, demonstrate non-Black Americans’ inbuilt associations: pairing Black Americans with negative valences, criminal stereotypes, and low status, including animal rather than human. Implicit racial biases (improving only slightly over time) imbed within non-Black individuals’ systems of racialized beliefs, judgments, and affect that predict racialized behavior.

Considering that in this case there is no association of any characteristic with the race, it doesn’t concern American culture nor black people, I am struggling to adapt this point of view to the case being discussed.

Jiggle_Physics ,

Replace black, and America, with African refugees, and Italy, or whatever. Just because it uses this particular instance as the example, does not mean that it doesn’t apply to systems of power everywhere. This is specifically how it went down in the US. However this template of behavior can be seen everywhere. If you read the whole thing you will find that it is discussing how a society’s majority, that is in control (a population minority can be the ones for whom the system is built, so it is those in the majority of positions of power, that matter), builds its structures, and, consciously or not, this negatively impacts minorities within their borders, as it selects a preferential treatment of the majority demographic of it’s power structure.

sudneo ,

Sure, I am very well aware of racism towards immigrants and other symilar dynamics. I am also conscious of fascist history and the consequences of African inferiority in general in culture. I understood the general gist of the source you shared.

Still this doesn’t explain to me how a cultural reference to a group of people as per a popular movie genre, that have absolutely no contact point with Italian culture fits into the same dynamic.

Maggoty ,

That’s because there’s a large part of the US that’s done coddling racism. Whether it’s intentional, ignorance, or systemic. It’s 2024, the Internet is available. There’s no longer an excuse for this.

sudneo ,

I think I am stopping one step before you. Which is understanding whether something is racist or not. Using purely your cultural understanding to define it is going to lead to misunderstandings. In this case, understanding the context and the real intent of the picture makes it pretty clear that race has nothing to do with it. If you choose not to understand the context and just mark as racist anything that if done in another context would be racist, be my guest, I will just disagree.

Maggoty ,

Race has everything to do with it.

sudneo ,

Can you elaborate how?

I provided at the very least an interpretation that is coherent, conscious of the cultural context and that makes sense considering the content of the text/article for what the image is used for.

Maggoty ,

Americans are done coddling it.

sudneo ,

This doesn’t answer the question.

You said “it has everything to do with race”, how?

Maggoty ,

looks at picture of Black Woman in Native paraphernalia.

Looks at sudneo.

The Internet is right there man. Don’t be ignorant.

sudneo ,

So you refuse to elaborate, because your opinion is self evident, even though it is based on a lack of cultural context, and lack of understanding of the content of this very page.

My opinion, which I shared and elaborated, which is based on understanding the cultural background, the content of this page, knowing this rag, knowing what newspapers use and do in general, is automatically invalid - without argument - because it doesn’t fit your view. It doesn’t matter that I explicitly shared an interpretation that has nothing to do with race, which is plausible, coherent (I.e. matches the content) and context-aware. You are right by default because your cultural lens is the only thing you ever need to interpret the world.

Colonial mindset. That’s what I get from this.

Cya

Maggoty ,

Lmao. Colonial mindset? While defending racism against black people and indigenous people?

That’s hilarious. At least I got a good laugh out of this.

sudneo , (edited )

Yes, colonial mindset refers to the refusal of accepting other cultural backgrounds and cultural lenses, possibly due to an inherent belief that your own is superior or absolutely correct. This is not so uncommon in people coming from an imperial and hegemonic culture (like US). Edit: the colonial nature results evident from the fact that such position translates to the desire/pretense to impose a specific cultural lens or perspective even to facts, discussions etc. that belong to completely different contexts. The same attitude that colonizers have over the colonized.

I have already discussed the merits of the conversation, you refused to elaborate your thought in any way and you are limiting yourself to meta-comments that do not add anything to the conversation. In fact, you wasted several replies not saying anything but implying that your opinion is self-evident, which is a consistent symptom of that colonial mindset I was talking about.

You have been provided with a different, context-aware interpretation and you refused to engage with it at all, including challenging it, because being different from your own is automatically wrong and not deserving even of consideration. In fact you are still stuck on “racism against black people and indigenous people”, which means you didn’t even take into consideration that your interpretation of something happening in a cultural context you don’t understand might be wrong. Of course you also refused to elaborate on the way this is racist, or better, you did in another comment in this post with an explanation that has to do with how racial stereotypes have historically been used to discard opinions of minorities, which while being true doesn’t apply at all to this particular event and in general is quite tangential in Italian history, due to a completely different history compared to that of the US, especially when it comes to indigenous people.

So yeah, all in all I think you are showing a classic colonial mindset. Quite common in internet spaces where US culture is dominant, if it is of any consolation.

Duamerthrax ,

This isn’t coming from a naive, “regular Joe” Italian. News papers should be a bit better about international sensitives.

sunzu ,

You literally missed the point I am making here lol

They did on purpose and you are still getting bent out of shape to fit his into American world view.

Why would you think a news paper in italy would give two fucks about "international sensitivities" around a foreign state's leader? Where does this idea come from?

Duamerthrax ,

Further down the threat, a local revealed it was from a grocery store rag, not a legit news paper. So the imagery makes more sense.

As far as way a legit, local news paper would want to care about “international sensitivities”, Professionalism would be one. As an American, if an American news paper used Chinese stereotypes or Yellow Face in an article about Japanese politicians, I would expect both Americans and Japanese People to be outraged.

sunzu ,

would expect both Americans and Japanese People to be outraged

Still missing the point lol

sudneo ,

a local revealed it was from a grocery store rag, not a legit news paper

Not really, it is a legit newspaper. A shitty one, but still a newspaper.

if an American news paper used Chinese stereotypes or Yellow Face in an article about Japanese politicians

This is more like making an image of some politician who “joins the fight” with Bruce Lee pose, or suit, or something.

Duamerthrax ,

This is more like making an image of some politician who “joins the fight” with Bruce Lee pose, or suit, or something.

Bruce Lee is a specific person, not a racial stereotype.

sudneo ,

You can replace it with any “asian martial artist in movies”, it is probably a better comparison to “Native Americans in spaghetti western”. I would say both are not really a statement on asian/native american people in general, and it’s a clear cultural reference. Definitely different from a Yellow Face

batmaniam ,

What’s ironic is you’re displaying exactly what you’re critiquing. This joke is a bit funny, but it’s on par with something like “Prince Charles asks NRA to fix his car”. There’s just baggage. And lord knows Italy has plenty of its own.

sudneo ,

And lord knows Italy has plenty of its own.

Not when it comes to Native Americans though.

Considering that this is a national newspaper meant for locals, I don’t think other culture’s baggage should necessarily be taken in consideration.

batmaniam ,

You do you, it’s just in poor taste. It’s not the end of the world or anything, it’s just funny to me that it’s the same thing “boorish Americans” get flack for.

sudneo ,

Personally, if I think about reversed roles (I.e. some US newspaper putting an Italian gangster hat - a-la The Godfather to some politician with some offer-related pun) I wouldn’t think of it as racist, I would understand it’s not a statement about Italians in general. This also considering that being a gangster of course has plenty of negative connotations.

The whole thing feels to me like the attitude that is made fun on in Parks and Recreation and the Wamapoke. But anyway, the newspaper is shit and to be honest I find the substance of the article way worse than the image.

batmaniam ,

I mean you’re spot on, it’s really not the end of the world, and you’re correct on the parks and rec.

I think people get prickly because of what you mentioned about the substance of the article probably being way worse, everyone’s just primed these days lol. We’re kind of sorting some shit out over here…

Anyway thanks for the conversation, it’s always fun to see your own culture through someone else’s eyes.

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

You do you, it’s just in poor taste.

This is the issue @sunzu is getting at. You saying it’s “in poor taste” is through the lens of what is considered “good taste” for Americans.

For instance, in my country, Finland, there’d be a lot of things Americans would generally find “in poor taste”. The most obvious example being that we don’t consider the naked human body to be inherently sexual, whereas Americans are really prudish about that sort of thing. So a lot of things related to sauna and mökki culture would be considered “in poor taste” for Americans, but they would not be so here. We also never tip (because we actually pay our workers.)

It’s ironic how you’re incapable of imagining another viewpoint in a debate where someone is trying to point out how bad Americans are at imagining other viewpoints.

“You do you.” Yeah. We do do we, that’s why the cultural values and what is “in poor taste” is different…?

batmaniam ,

I guess what it comes down to is there a plenty of things, big and small, that I don’t have an issue with as an American but I know matter to the other person. Usually it’s small stuff (how people comport themselves in relation to work, the line between direct and rude, etc) , but when it comes to things where people died, I think it’s best to defer to the people involved.

Maybe that’s a trap of my upbringing as well but I don’t see that as American lens, I see that as recognizing there are a lot of lenses.

And again, the original joke is decent, its a role reversal and punches up not down, but I wouldn’t want an American paper making jokes about Finnish biathalon Olympians spanking the Russians.

Any joke with cultural baggage carries the risk you miss context. Again, I don’t think that’s just true for Americans.

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe that’s a trap of my upbringing as well but I don’t see that as American lens, I see that as recognizing there are a lot of lenses.

But you don’t. You don’t see how ingrained your perspective is. You can’t see your blind spots, that’s tje definition of a blind spot.

So you’re saying that any time anyone wants to refer to native Americans in any way, they should ask… Americans? Not even native Americans (a term which, incidentally, is also an example of this perspective lacking American perspective

What’s the offensive part here? Acknowledging Kamala’s heritage? Making a joke headline? What?

I’m pretty sure you can’t answer that without an exceedingly American perspective on it.

Here in Europe, we do consider these things. For one, it’s literally illegal to be a Nazi in Germany and do nazi salutes and whatnot, but that’s allowed in the US. A tit flashing on TV, however isn’t. The Washington Redskins only relabeled themselves “the Washington Commanders” in 2022.

but I wouldn’t want an American paper making jokes about Finnish biathalon Olympians spanking the Russians.

What? Why would that offend anyone? This is exactly what we mean when we talk about your American perspective. You just can’t imagine someone having different values and practices apparently.

It would be an amazing day for Finns if a huge American newspaper did a frontpage story about something like that.

I’m pretty sure that a lot of illustrations in Finnish newspapers when it comes to stories about saunas and mökki culture would be downright unacceptable in print media in the US.

And when you manage to half-understand someone elses reasons for doing something, you still don’t understand their motivation and then conclude by some highroading about being insensitive to death or something, implying your moral framework is superior. When the moral framework of the person who raised you probably included “segregation is just normal everyday business” at least in their childhood.

Because racism has been such a massive thing in the US for such a long time, some of you have become a little too sensitive and are eager to point out how racist other places are according to you. Simplest examples would be getting mad at the Spanish word for “black”, or the Korean word 네가 [nega]

“Any joke with cultural baggage”

Again, you can’t see that the cultural baggage is American. It’s not Italian. There’s no cultural baggage here, when viewed without your American perspective. That’s what I try to keep iterating.

Honestly, you don’t think you miss context when you probably don’t understand the cultural framework this was created in at all?

CanadaPlus ,

I mean, they’re right. The European version of racism is much more inattention and inexperience-fueled. This is arguably an example.

huginn ,

That is not my experience in Italy.

Just ask a European about gypsies or African migrants. It will get very racist very quickly.

shikitohno ,

Yeah, my experience has been that a lot of countries whose residents tell me racism is an American problem and we should stop trying to project it onto other societies happen to live in countries with huge problems with it that just aren’t explicitly spoken about in the same terms.

I had a Brazilian friend tell me race is not all that important in Brazil and that he’s tired of Americans assuming it is. I periodically have to ask him, “Do you read Brazilian news, bro?” and send some links that make it blatantly obvious that racism is alive and well down there.

You also just get people who have bought into very pervasive attitudes in countries that justify/explain away racism when it’s encountered.

sunzu ,

Brazilian acts like they don't have the same slaver history as US... They must really assume Americans are this fucking stupid not to k ow basics of how Brazil functions

CanadaPlus ,

TBF most Americans are pretty ignorant about the rest of the world (and it’s not really their fault, the other self-contained superpower is the same or worse). Not all though.

CanadaPlus ,

I had a Brazilian friend tell me race is not all that important in Brazil and that he’s tired of Americans assuming it is.

Are you sure this person is Brazilian? This is the country that abolished chattel slavery in 1888, a couple decades after America. They still have whiteness as a standard of attractiveness there, too.

sudneo ,

Or Albanians, Romanians and other people with a history of migration (at least in Italy).

That said, the racist dynamics in Italy are still different from those of a country with a much different history, linked to slavery and colonialism (thankfully Italian empire was a ridiculously failed attempt), with a different racial distribution in population. African migrants are for example a relatively new phenomenon. We are now at the 2nd generation give or take, and I have the feeling things will normalize ad they did for balcan people, as long as right-wing governments will not sabotage immigration on purpose to maintain it as a problem and gather votes…

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Gypsies may be a counterexample, that’s true. African migrants are an example: America’s very fabric is (traditionally) about black vs. white, even moreso than the things it’s conventionally associated with. Europe, on the other hand, just thought of Africa as the colonies for a long time, and Africans arriving in great numbers is a new thing.

It’s not less racist, but it’s racist in a very different way.

Duamerthrax ,

Corporate needs you to find the difference…

suction ,

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    Siethron ,

    Isn’t it on that red planet near Solo?

    This joke might not be good but I’m proud of it’s layers

    reddit_sux ,

    Europeans mistaking Americans for Indians for centuries.

    xantoxis ,

    Specifically Italians, at that.

    EpeeGnome ,

    Classic Italian mistake.

    lvxferre ,
    @lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

    You don’t even need to guess it based on whatever USA they posted at the centre. Just look at Giorgia Merdoni at the left.

    RVGamer06 ,

    Giorgia Merdoni

    Nice one

    index ,

    Italian here, they probably did it on purpose so that people would repost it and they succeeded.

    absquatulate ,

    You’re offended that a foreign xenophobic tabloid did not accurately depict her indian heritage in a goddamn caricature? Come on man, live and let live.

    Chozo ,

    her indian heritage

    You're right at the cusp of understanding.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    No, they aren’t.

    Donut ,

    As a European I will admit I have no idea what’s “wrong” with the picture. Other than it just looking like a mouthpiece for people instead of actually reporting things

    goldteeth ,

    Someone, somewhere has evidently misinterpreted the fact that US presidential candidate Kamala Harris (pictured center) is of Indian ancestry - as in her family is from the country in south Asia - and instead photoshopped her into the stereotypical Native American “Indian” aesthetic. Why they have chosen to do this eludes me.

    orrk ,

    because they don’t actually know WHAT Indian she is, didn’t bother to look into it, and assumed it to be the American one

    sunzu ,

    because they don't actually know WHAT Indian she is, didn't bother to look into it

    Do you really believe this lol

    jfc

    Donut ,

    Ohh! As a European I do know the difference between those two types. It just didn’t click that they got it wrong, I thought they had the feathers wrong (like part of the wrong native American tribe or something)

    sudneo ,

    No it’s not that. Another comment explains it above, and it has to do with Western movies. Il tempo is usually just recommended to clean windows, but it’s not what you (or OP) suggests.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Everything about this image is completely messed up

    Maggoty ,

    She’s not Native American. Adding random head pieces to Native Americans is reductive and historically used to discount their opinion.

    DrQuickbeam , (edited )

    American in Italy here! I am not justifying this, just explaining it from an Italian perspective. First, the paper is not mixing up her Indian heritage here with Native American. They took the idea that she is seeking a white male VP running mate and wrote “hunting for a white man”, which conjured up a “funny” homage to native Americans in spaghetti westerns, while giving a nod and a wink to the racism inherent in making the VP pick race-based. Second, this paper is a sensationalist rag sold in grocery store checkout lanes, with no expectation for the stories to be good, or free of any number of unsavory isms.

    Transporter_Room_3 ,
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    native Americans in spaghetti westerns.

    I’m not sure how it is in Italy, but a lot of the older Italians I know absolutely love old westerns (of… Varying quality)

    SaltySalamander ,

    Spaghetti westerns are called that because they originate from Italy.

    watson387 ,
    @watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Yep. They also created giant groups of people who think the saguaro cactus grows in Texas.

    DJDarren ,

    It…it doesn’t?

    skuzz ,

    AZ and CA, and Mexico are where they grow, I believe.

    DJDarren ,

    Huh, TIL.

    Maggoty ,

    Cacti are fake!

    images.app.goo.gl/qfnYjgEpkjR7M8FH7

    !A joke obviously, this is actually the cell companies hiding their infrastructure from aliens!<

    EpeeGnome ,

    Yeah, the American West has a huge variety of very distinct biomes. For the purpose of telling a story though, one rocky desert or forested mountain vale or whatever is as good as another, leaving us, the audience, largely unaware and misled. We mostly only notice when they do that to areas we’re familiar with.

    Reminds me of the movie The Patriot, starring Mel Gibson. There’s a scene where he is at his home in what is clearly the upcountry of South Carolina not too far from the Appalachians and he takes a walk down his garden path to visit his wife’s grave, which is located in the South Carolina lowcountry, by the coast, somehow skipping past over a hundred miles of pine forest that would have been between those areas. If you’re not familiar with those areas, they both just look like areas in the American Southeast, but if you are familiar, it’s very jarring.

    DJDarren ,

    I had a similar experience with the TV show, Broadchurch.

    I lived in one of the towns where it was filmed. The church, two of the main characters’ houses, the newspaper office, the high street, and the mechanic garage in the second season were all filmed in Clevedon, near Bristol. I lived about 100m from the church while they were filming it.

    Watching the show, they’d walk down a familiar road, turn a corner, and suddenly they’d be on a beach in Dorset, 70 miles away. It was always jarring.

    Great show though.

    Moonrise2473 OP ,

    For me as an Italian it was quantum of solace. He’s fleeing from police in west Liguria, then somehow he makes a turn, loses them and he’s in Siena - a bit unlikely that with a flashy and broken car like that he would have been unnoticed by police as it’s at least 5 hours of toll highway or 12 hours of local roads. (And the European police cars were doing American police sounds, ultra weird)

    Completely ruined the immersion for me, that’s the only part that I remember of the movie

    Wogi ,

    I was watching a film set in the Midwest and they’re driving between two rural towns but the corn they’re driving by in one scene is Marty’s long ear sweet corn, and then like two lines later they’re driving by Nor’Eastern Hard Grain. Completely pulled me out of the movie those two fields would be miles apart!

    Blackmist ,

    I watched some Gal Gadot movie recently, where she got on a motorbike in the far north of Iceland (Isafjordur airport) and rode to Reykjavik opera house in a matter of minutes. I’d consider both of these places to be somewhat landmarks as well.

    But it didn’t ruin it for me because it was terrible long before that. Arguably at the script and casting stages.

    sudneo ,

    Westerns are generally quite liked by the older generation. Leone’s masterpieces are definitely cult movies that most people have watched.

    Duamerthrax ,

    Second, this paper is a sensationalist rag sold in grocery store checkout lanes,

    ah, that explains it.

    Evil_Shrubbery , (edited )

    Yes, this about covers it (correctly).

    And it is pointing at racism (it’s no secret the “had” to get a white male of certain age).

    Also I think the Indian part was used just because of that additional funny coincidence. It’s not not funny, but far from good. … tho thinking about it now - using the same joke by having Adolfy depicted as Crocodile Dundee, while still not lol funny, does seem kinda funny.

    taiyang ,

    It’s even worse if you consider that it’s still offensive to Photoshop that on her even if she was Native American.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Perhaps they could remove some clothing and make her very muscular

    Evil_Shrubbery ,

    But the body is old white dude - gotta keep the racist theme going.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    1000002760

    kvasir476 ,

    To be fair the Italians have a 500+ year history of mixing up Indigenous Americans and Indians.

    felixwhynot ,
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    It’s tradition!

    cupcakezealot ,
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    spice-y take!

    Maggoty ,

    No, literally. Columbus thought he was landing in South Asia.

    RogueBanana ,

    Pretty sure it was just a joke about spice and Indian food

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