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I'm really annoyed by how much Brave Search is pushing AI

I’ve been using Brave Search supplemented by Startpage for the past 2+ years. When I search for something, I want to get results for credible webpages, not a summary of unknown quality. I liked the previous AI inclusion because it was instant, didn’t take up much space, and I could quickly navigate to the websites referenced in it, but with the new feature it takes up more space, is slower, and not really what I want out of a search engine.

As soon as the feature was rolled out I disabled it in settings, but the AI button stays visible, I get autocomplete specifically for Answer with AI and I get frequent notifications to try out the new AI feature. An opt-out toggle should not mean that I still am pestered to use the feature I opted out of.

This is really annoying, and I’m probably going to end up switching to Startpage or SearXNG or something.

Some images (opted out of AI features): https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/13595d68-2e98-458e-8f47-f514889af04f.pnghttps://pawb.social/pictrs/image/e9bfbc75-8e41-49d9-8c2e-745914d8f7e9.png

Snapz ,

Brave sucks and the people behind brave suck.

Stop expecting anything valuable from the “crypto” browser

isVeryLoud ,

Brendan Eich is a piece of shit

Interstellar_1 OP ,
@Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

indeed

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Just a technical correction but it’s not Brave, it’s MS and Bing that’s shoving these AI “features” down your throat. Brave is just doing what they are told.

Interstellar_1 OP , (edited )
@Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

How is it bing that’s doing that if this is a service provided by brave? Even if their liscense required copilot to be implemented, I would think that opting out isn’t something that bing regulates

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Oh yeah, what vast AI model has Brave developed and trained? Brave is literally powered thru Bing. Even their own “engine” is just Bing results. There is no Brave search engine and if Bing shutdown tomorrow, Brave would crumble.

Downvote all you want, Brave is basically an extension of Bing that just adds an anonymous wrapper around your query, nothing more. Even the quick results they deliver and just Bing run thru another layer.

Interstellar_1 OP , (edited )
@Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

Sure that’s true, that doesn’t answer the question I asked though.

TheTechNerd ,
@TheTechNerd@lemmy.world avatar

Hot take I like it a bit, but it is pushed hard. It is nice to have an option for AI not through MS. It is not great for privacy but I far far trust them than MS. It is the lesser of two evils. Sometimes you just want an answer instead of clicking one thousand links. I think the first time you use it they should you give the option to have it on and off isntead of forcing it.

eezeebee ,
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

All my Brave Bucks just magically disappeared. Screw 'em

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

So you were fine with Brave before when they scammed others?

Brave has always been despicable.

eezeebee ,
@eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

I have no stance because I don’t know what you are talking about.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Well it’s Brave. They have always pulled shitty shit like this in the past, like rerouting clicks in the background to siphon ad impressions income or pushing crypto scams left and right and center.

lurch ,

I’m trying SearXNG at the moment. Seems better and faster then all others so far.

Before that I tried gibiru.com and mojeek.com but wasn’t satisfied with results or indexes.

lars ,

I just started and I’m so much more satisfied than I have been with other non-Googles.

I have always wanted to like DDG but their results weren’t awesome for me (and it didn’t help that I hate their name, but wasn’t a deciding factor).

Mojeek ,
@Mojeek@lemmy.ml avatar

do you remember any of the queries for which you were not satisfied? We’re always looking to improve

lurch ,

sorry, most are too private to post them here, but an exception was:

MySQL RAND

I expected to find the actual manual page from dev.mysql.com , but it wasn’t even in the first few pages.

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

Yet another reason why people shouldn’t be using Brave.

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

If you want a privacy-focused web browser, use Firefox or Vivaldi.

I thought Vivaldi was also shady? Did I maybe confuse it with Opera?

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Probably.

Opera is shady. Vivaldi is developed by the people who used to develop Opera, back when it was its own thing and before it sold out to Chinese investors.

cloudless ,

Vivaldi is closed-source. Can it be trusted?

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

I dunno. Everything I’ve seen and heard seems perfectly legit.

But it’s yet another chromium fork, and I don’t use it.

I did for a while, as it has some very nice features, but it would consistently open without resuming my session. It would work for months and then just out of nowhere it would open up as if it was just installed. Everything gone. Utterly unacceptable.

magnor , (edited )
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

I don’t think you’re replying to my comment though, I never mentioned nor used Vivaldi.

Edit: brainfart, my bad.

SaltySalamander ,

Did you read what you linked? That's what they're quoting.

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

Vivaldi slipped my mind, my bad. No need for that tone though.

intensely_human ,

What tone?

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t stress over it. I didn’t read the entire thing either. It’s a relatively long article.

I Read the first few paragraphs and then when the ADHD kicked in I skim scrolled all the way to the bottom where “Vivaldi” caught my eye

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

Thanks for the kind words, much appreciated and have a great day.

On topic, I have no opinion on Vivaldi, never used it. But then again I’ve been on Firefox for the last 15 years so… I’m a bit of a lost cause!

Interstellar_1 OP ,
@Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

I used it because the results were better for me then the other search engines I have used, but yeah I don’t agree with anything the company or it’s CEO is doing, so there’s no better time to stop it then.

magnor ,
@magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh avatar

Yeah that’s the issue with them, their products are not that bad at first glance and they have a lot of evangelists online (it was particularly egregious on reddit but it is still the case here). I wasn’t throwing any shade at you.

Search engines pretty much all suck nowadays. I’ve stuck with DDG lately, but they also have their issues apparently.

cyberpunk007 ,

I’m really annoyed how everyone is pushing AI. It’s so far not as big a deal as they make it out to be.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

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    LunarLoony ,
    @LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    At the risk of seeming to throw shade; why use Brave at all if you’re going to switch off all its unique features?

    MinFapper ,

    Yeah, at that point I feel like using vanilla chromium would give you a better experience.

    const_void ,

    Lol, people are using Brave?!

    best_username_ever ,

    I tried it a long time ago and found out that they were injecting links to their shitcoins inside the web pages. Like, additional links in some web sites.

    I’m still dumbfounded that there was not more protests about it because it should never happen.

    maniel ,

    yeah, just donate buttons, you can donate your shitcoin to the creator, just that, can be disabled probably

    Hahah_Montana ,

    That just means it shouldn’t have been enabled in the first place.

    maniel ,

    It’s just an interface element suggesting their product, I don’t find it that intrusive for having to be an opt in option

    stoy ,

    If they inject links into web pages, they can change anything else, meaning they xan’t be trusted.

    maniel ,

    as most addons do, imagine they’re removing your ads

    stoy ,

    That is different, you install addons deliberately, a deafult setting in a browser is not an active choice.

    Interstellar_1 OP ,
    @Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

    To play the devil’s advocate, it was technically opt-in

    dvdnet62 , (edited )
    @dvdnet62@feddit.nl avatar

    google web search workaround is fine atm cnet.com/…/get-google-search-results-without-ai-a…

    herrcaptain ,

    Welcome to everything this year. Seemingly every app in the world is jumping on the bandwagon, and some are more egregious than others. I swear if Elementor (WordPress editor) mentions AI again I’m gonna uninstall it in every site I have access to.

    felixwhynot ,
    @felixwhynot@lemmy.world avatar

    Suggest you use DDG, no AI crap from them so far…

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    DDG sold out and allowed trackers on the mobile app. It’s a slow slide but it’s inevitable

    felixwhynot ,
    @felixwhynot@lemmy.world avatar

    I use the web site through Firefox Focus, I’m happy with that combo.

    Then again I also have a pi-hole on my network so… Yeah

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    pi-holes can’t stop websites you use from collecting your data. they’ve already started accepting cash for things (by way of mobile browser.). it’s only a matter of time before it slides into more things- if it hasn’t already.

    currently I’m using start-page and it’s good enough for my needs. The advantage there is they’re in the EU, and have enhanced privacy requirements

    Edit: I’ve used Firefox since their first beta. Now I feel old…

    Rozauhtuno ,
    @Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    They also have AI, but it’s opt-in.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Yeah, except this is what I get when trying to search for anything on DDG right now:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b3f486e5-2ee1-4476-8eb6-6a2315d10cb6.jpeg

    Interstellar_1 OP ,
    @Interstellar_1@pawb.social avatar

    Bing is/was down

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