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kubica ,

Roughly my thoughts today: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/112/451/084/544/739/972/original/47d31a58ddc70f80.png

Wilzax , (edited )

If your feelings weren’t mixed you either don’t value human life or you don’t value democracy.

Edit: a bystander was killed and so was the 20 year old gunman. This is the human life I’m referring to.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

We aren’t running out of humans, and we don’t live in a democracy…

confusedbytheBasics ,

Turns out you don’t have to be running out of humans to value human life.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

If I have a bowl of rice, and one of the grains is actively trying to end my way of life, I don’t mind when someone shoots at it with an assault rifle.

Viking_Hippie ,

First of all: rice doesn’t have that kind of agency

Second of all: shooting at a grain of rice in your bowl with an assault rifle is many times more likely to hit you than that specific grain of rice

Third, if that’s REALLY the best analogy you could think of, you should just stop the whole “communicating your thoughts to other people” thing. Evidently it’s not something you’re ever going to get the hang of.

Fourth and finally: a propos of nothing except the fact that I just listened to an episode of My Brother, My Brother, and Me, horses are overrated, and not just by the McElroy brothers.

lemmyseizethemeans ,

Define ‘Human’

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

is Democracy really just a choice between an evil and a good? the USA needs way more politcal parties than just two.

A_Very_Big_Fan , (edited )

What? The current events are an attempt on someone’s life with the goal of saving what semblance of democracy we have left.

Did y’all seriously miss the memo? It’s pretty obvious what he meant if you haven’t been under a rock for the last 24hrs.

Carrolade ,

It’s pretty wishful thinking to think Proj 2025 and all the other MAGAs are going to fade away after the orange man is gone. Did you not see De Santis’ support before Trump entered the race?

Facebones ,

There’s a lot of bullets in the country, Republicans made dire of that. Shame if it backfired on them.

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

The USA needs ranked choice voting

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t even know the news how can I feel mixed

MrFunnyMoustache ,

Assassination attempt on Trump in a rally.

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I see. Thanks

explodicle ,

Paradox of tolerance: Trump will end democracy and even more lives.

kameecoding ,

There is no way to know if he wouldnt have just turned into martyr and help elect someone even worse

supertrucker ,

No, the person most likely to end democracy will advocate rolling back freedoms to ‘preserve’ it, or to punish the wicked people that are considered their political enemies. The most likely person won’t be a Democrat, but will almost certainly be a leftist that starts their own populist political party

areyouevenreal ,

Fascism has always been a right wing ideology. While leftists have made some terrible mistakes, you shouldn’t pretend they are the only or main threat to democracy.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Leftists don’t believe America can be saved, they wouldn’t “roll back freedoms,” whatever the heck that means, they would dismantle the state and build up a new one.

Rivalarrival ,

Edit: a bystander Trump supporter was killed

FTFY. They were attending a Trump rally. They weren’t just a bystander. They were complicit.

supertrucker ,

You are truly the epitome of an evil person. God help us if someone like you ever gains any real political power

Rivalarrival ,

I’ve been called worse by better people.

supertrucker ,

You don’t have to convince me. I believe you

Tar_alcaran ,

Trump has frequently called for the violent death of his enemies. Everyone at that rally supported this position.

I don’t feel bad at all for the thing they want to happen to others happening to them.

supertrucker ,

So, for all your haunted ideals, at the end of the day, you are no better than him. You are a narcissistic person that gets a perverse pleasure from the suffering of your perceived political enemies

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you kill Hitler, or throw aside your gun for the sake of “civility?”

Would killing Hitler make you “no better than Hitler?”

supertrucker ,

No, it means the next guy to commit atrocities will have a different last name. Your cartoonish views on morality is tiring

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Gotcha, you would in fact let Hitler be.

supertrucker ,

Well, what if the guy that took Hitlers place was every bit as evil, but wasn’t a bumbling idiot in military matters? Worse yet, what if he gave his scientist budgets and told them to make super weapons with no real interference? The first atomic bomb could have dropped on Bristol or Leningrad, instead of Hiroshima

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It would take time for someone to take his place, which gives resistance time. It is a good thing to fight fascism.

supertrucker ,

There was plenty of resistance to the Nazis rise to power, until the Nazis consolidated power and suppressed it. Any authoritarian leader in 1930s Germany would have done the same thing. Remember, if you’re taking out Hitler before 1931, all the factors that allowed him to rise to power are still there, like the great depression and the treaty of Versailles. Anyone becoming a dictator during that time would have done so likely by some variation of Hilters playback with much the same results

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, the liberals generally aligned with the fascists against the antifascist left. This consolidation of power did happen because of the material conditions in Weimar Germany, you are absolutely correct. However, that does not mean killing Hitler would have been worthless.

History does not move by Great Man Theory, we agree on this. At the same time, fighting Nazi leaders does harm the Nazi movement.

n3m37h ,

Sorry but most politicians don’t care about democracy either, just enriching themselves and close friends

Atlas_ ,

I don’t have to have feelings about something to value it.

zcd ,

Today was a bad day

TheEighthDoctor ,

I have thoughts and prayers for the bullet that couldn’t do it’s job

atro_city ,

What happened? Did we discover another exo-planet?

hungryphrog ,

Some guy tried to shoot Trump. Tried. However, bystander died and FBI killed the shooter.

robocall OP ,
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar

FBI or secret service?

hungryphrog ,

FBI

roguetrick ,

Secret service proved itself once again to be the most useless.

Iapar ,

“What the fuck do you fucks even do?”

“It’s a secret”

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Nearly.

atro_city ,

No signs of intelligent life?

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t have mixed feelings. No-one should ever, attempt, to assasinate a would be dictator.

ImplyingImplications ,

Do or do not, there is no try

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ipkpjersi ,

Yep, we all know Yoda would be disappointed.

rustydomino ,
@rustydomino@lemmy.world avatar

No mixed feelings at all. I am unequivocally sad that we lost Richard Simmons today 😢😢😢

garbagebagel ,

Damn this is how I found out. Extra sad now, thanks.

Confused_Emus ,

And Dr Ruth. That lady was such a charming little horn dog.

hemmes ,
@hemmes@lemmy.world avatar

And Dr. Ruth! 😪

eldavi ,

it sounds like he was in a dark place for the last decade or so; if that’s true, at least now he’s no longer suffering.

Diplomjodler3 ,

Absolutely not. My feeling of disappointment was completely unequivocal.

fl42v ,

You mean this: bleepingcomputer.com/…/hackers-use-poc-exploits-i… ?

Pretty regular stuff if you ask me

hungryphrog ,

No, there was an assasination attempt on Donald Trumpet.

canihasaccount ,

I never understand why lemmy downvotes someone who is trying to help by providing accurate information, presumably because they think that there’s a very small chance that the person they’re replying to isn’t being sarcastic.

jose1324 ,

Nothing mixed. Fully sad he didn’t die and this will cement his win in the coming months. We’re fucked.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s still time for the DNC to swap Biden out for a more electable candidate and energize their own base again, for what it’s worth, though at this point I think the DNC wants to lose so they can secure more funding.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve not looked at the news yet, Lemmy was my first stop. I’m thinking… earthquake in the Kremlin?

There’s a lot of really nice architecture there, it’d be a shame for it to be lost in rubble.

That, or we got disqualified from the Euros final xD

phdepressed ,

Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple bystanders dead.

Rivalarrival ,

Trump got shot at. Trump fine (hence the meme), shooter dead, couple bystanders Trump supporters dead.

yetiftw ,

they’re still people

Midnight1938 ,

Yea americans forget that sometimes

devfuuu ,

The kind of “people” that are ok with killing most of the others.

Midnight1938 ,

Yep, given the number of places currently ‘technically’ invaded by the country. I guess i guess everyone’s desensitised

Draedron ,

Yeah, bad people who try to establish fascism in america, so nothing to be sad about.

Rivalarrival ,

They are, indeed, people. My point was only that they are not “bystanders”. They are actively involved, and much more so than the average voter.

gravitas_deficiency ,

We’re getting into paradox of tolerance territory, tbh. I’m not upset that supporters of fascism were killed.

I am upset that the guy with the rifle didn’t have better aim (if indeed that was actually how everything went down, and it wasn’t staged in one way or another, because there are several fishy things about this).

experbia ,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

i wouldn’t know, according to them and their folks, my friends and family and I are not people, so I guess my definition of that must differ. moreover, I don’t dispense sympathy for people who would cheer and support the news that me and mine have been hunted down and shot in the street. I don’t sympathize with the aggressors. I’ve just been trying to mind my own business and live my life as best I can, but these people (in sudden newfound need of sympathy and feelings of safety, lmao) have been talking for years of purges of non-Whites and gays, and civil wars, and rounding up the undesirables (that’s me, apparently, by virtue of birth) to clean up the country. might as well be asking me to sympathize with a school shooter over his hearing damage from not wearing earplugs while he mowed down a classroom.

HowManyNimons ,

Please try to remember that being better than them means being better than them.

Tja ,

But that’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make

Phoeniqz ,
@Phoeniqz@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Dude is really going through the entire comment section and correcting people who use “bystander” instead of “Trump supporter”

I_Miss_Daniel ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b638ef83-090a-4281-ae37-2f14ed1ec059.jpeg

MrPoopyButthole ,

Maybe… m.youtube.com/watch?v=SexmfU6b1ik

Grandwolf319 , (edited )

Not mixed, the attempt does not improve or reduce his ability to run the country. What it does however is increase his chances of winning.

Gives me Reagan and Hitler vibes.

Draedron ,

Its disappointing. Good someone had the balls to actually try and show he is serious when he says the 2A is there to prevent fascism. Sad he failed.

suction ,

That it does probably means that Americans deserve whatever lows their country will fall to.

Draedron ,

Not mixed. Just disappointed.

ekZepp ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

Disappoint in not enough to describe my feelings.

I feel like I’m blocked under a huge building about to collapse at any moment and a huge piece of the support pillar just came off…

…that’s how i feel right now.

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