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zcd ,

Today was a bad day

Wilzax , (edited )

If your feelings weren’t mixed you either don’t value human life or you don’t value democracy.

Edit: a bystander was killed and so was the 20 year old gunman. This is the human life I’m referring to.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

We aren’t running out of humans, and we don’t live in a democracy…

confusedbytheBasics ,

Turns out you don’t have to be running out of humans to value human life.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

If I have a bowl of rice, and one of the grains is actively trying to end my way of life, I don’t mind when someone shoots at it with an assault rifle.

Viking_Hippie ,

First of all: rice doesn’t have that kind of agency

Second of all: shooting at a grain of rice in your bowl with an assault rifle is many times more likely to hit you than that specific grain of rice

Third, if that’s REALLY the best analogy you could think of, you should just stop the whole “communicating your thoughts to other people” thing. Evidently it’s not something you’re ever going to get the hang of.

Fourth and finally: a propos of nothing except the fact that I just listened to an episode of My Brother, My Brother, and Me, horses are overrated, and not just by the McElroy brothers.

lemmyseizethemeans ,

Define ‘Human’

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

is Democracy really just a choice between an evil and a good? the USA needs way more politcal parties than just two.

A_Very_Big_Fan , (edited )

What? The current events are an attempt on someone’s life with the goal of saving what semblance of democracy we have left.

Did y’all seriously miss the memo? It’s pretty obvious what he meant if you haven’t been under a rock for the last 24hrs.

Carrolade ,

It’s pretty wishful thinking to think Proj 2025 and all the other MAGAs are going to fade away after the orange man is gone. Did you not see De Santis’ support before Trump entered the race?

Facebones ,

There’s a lot of bullets in the country, Republicans made dire of that. Shame if it backfired on them.

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

The USA needs ranked choice voting

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t even know the news how can I feel mixed

MrFunnyMoustache ,

Assassination attempt on Trump in a rally.

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I see. Thanks

explodicle ,

Paradox of tolerance: Trump will end democracy and even more lives.

kameecoding ,

There is no way to know if he wouldnt have just turned into martyr and help elect someone even worse

supertrucker ,

No, the person most likely to end democracy will advocate rolling back freedoms to ‘preserve’ it, or to punish the wicked people that are considered their political enemies. The most likely person won’t be a Democrat, but will almost certainly be a leftist that starts their own populist political party

areyouevenreal ,

Fascism has always been a right wing ideology. While leftists have made some terrible mistakes, you shouldn’t pretend they are the only or main threat to democracy.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Leftists don’t believe America can be saved, they wouldn’t “roll back freedoms,” whatever the heck that means, they would dismantle the state and build up a new one.

Rivalarrival ,

Edit: a bystander Trump supporter was killed

FTFY. They were attending a Trump rally. They weren’t just a bystander. They were complicit.

supertrucker ,

You are truly the epitome of an evil person. God help us if someone like you ever gains any real political power

Rivalarrival ,

I’ve been called worse by better people.

supertrucker ,

You don’t have to convince me. I believe you

Tar_alcaran ,

Trump has frequently called for the violent death of his enemies. Everyone at that rally supported this position.

I don’t feel bad at all for the thing they want to happen to others happening to them.

supertrucker ,

So, for all your haunted ideals, at the end of the day, you are no better than him. You are a narcissistic person that gets a perverse pleasure from the suffering of your perceived political enemies

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Would you kill Hitler, or throw aside your gun for the sake of “civility?”

Would killing Hitler make you “no better than Hitler?”

supertrucker ,

No, it means the next guy to commit atrocities will have a different last name. Your cartoonish views on morality is tiring

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Gotcha, you would in fact let Hitler be.

supertrucker ,

Well, what if the guy that took Hitlers place was every bit as evil, but wasn’t a bumbling idiot in military matters? Worse yet, what if he gave his scientist budgets and told them to make super weapons with no real interference? The first atomic bomb could have dropped on Bristol or Leningrad, instead of Hiroshima

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It would take time for someone to take his place, which gives resistance time. It is a good thing to fight fascism.

supertrucker ,

There was plenty of resistance to the Nazis rise to power, until the Nazis consolidated power and suppressed it. Any authoritarian leader in 1930s Germany would have done the same thing. Remember, if you’re taking out Hitler before 1931, all the factors that allowed him to rise to power are still there, like the great depression and the treaty of Versailles. Anyone becoming a dictator during that time would have done so likely by some variation of Hilters playback with much the same results

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, the liberals generally aligned with the fascists against the antifascist left. This consolidation of power did happen because of the material conditions in Weimar Germany, you are absolutely correct. However, that does not mean killing Hitler would have been worthless.

History does not move by Great Man Theory, we agree on this. At the same time, fighting Nazi leaders does harm the Nazi movement.

n3m37h ,

Sorry but most politicians don’t care about democracy either, just enriching themselves and close friends

Atlas_ ,

I don’t have to have feelings about something to value it.

kubica ,

Roughly my thoughts today: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/112/451/084/544/739/972/original/47d31a58ddc70f80.png

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