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Quills , in I have now.
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“Ancient” memeing!

Pancake bunny->Panny lol

Super cute btw

DmMacniel , in The Fediverse strikes back

Kudos for that great alt-text

maxmalrichtig OP ,
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I stole it. I stole every last piece of it. (See original post on mastodon.)

We shall all thank @edumario for it. 😇

rizoid , in The Fediverse strikes back
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I don’t think I can use peertube. It’s just not as good and it’s way harder to host video content server wise. I just use a privacy respecting front end for YouTube. Everything else I’m on board with.

Jake_Farm , in We can all agree on that, right?
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As if workers give a shit about customers.

yogthos ,
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They do when they work in a cooperative and have a stake in the business being successful.

kaea , in We can all agree on that, right?

No, lol 😂

Listen, socialism doesn’t work.

yogthos ,
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Thank you for providing a great example of being confidently incorrect.

kaea ,

Do you have any example of working socialism?

DarthCluck ,

You are making the extraordinary claim, that despite socialism being used throughout the world, it simply doesn’t work. Therefore the onus of proof is on you. So, can you please describe why socialism doesn’t work?

kaea ,

Where. Give me an example of a socialist country

yogthos ,
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China, Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos are all examples of socialist countries today. China alone lifted over 800 million people out of poverty in recent decades. Compare that to the capitalist paradise in India.

Shatur ,
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Does countries of Nordic model count? I heard good things about them.

yogthos ,
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Not really, Nordic model is capitalist because the capital owning class owns the means of production and holds power in society. Nordic model has generous social services and a social safety net, but that of itself does not make it socialist. A socialist model implies that it is the working class that holds power and that means of production are under a mix of public and cooperative ownership. This is the model that all western countries fight against.

Shatur ,
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Thank you, this does makes sense!

You previously mentioned China. And China do have big companies like NetEase. Are such companies under a mix of public and cooperative ownershiprs? How it differs from IKEA? Not arguing, just trying to understand.

yogthos ,
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The difference with China is that capitalists don’t run the government and all the core economy is publicly owned. I can highly recommend this book discussing why China is fundamentally socialist

redletterspp.com/products/the-east-is-still-red

This was an excellent discussion on the subject as well www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7Th2aV0wM

I find that comparing how China and India developed after WW2 is illustrative as well. India took the capitalist route while China remained socialist, and the difference today is stark. India has incredible amount of poverty and the situation continues to get worse, meanwhile China is responsible for the biggest poverty elimination programs in the world. The fact that China is developing differently from capitalist nations is a good indicator that something different is happening there.

Shatur ,
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I’m learning the material and I have a few questions.

You say that in China the capitalists do not run the government. But how do you know that they do not have their own business or are not affiliated with the capitalists? For example, in my country there is a law that does not allow deputies and the president to have their own business. But it does not work, these people simply register the business for other persons and, in fact, continue to own the business.

How China got out of poverty is amazing. But I also heard that the workers were very heavily exploited. This is one of the reasons why the US moved production there. And even now, workers in China are paid little despite the fact that the country is rich. How can this happen in a socialist country that should protect the interests of the workers?

As for the Nordic model, you said that it is not exactly socialism: it is capitalism, but with tough rules for business and good social programs. So they more centric then leftists really. And I don’t argue with that. But I don’t understand why if the capitalists run the country, they simply won’t loosen laws to make business easier and reduce social programs? How has this system not collapsed yet?

Sorry if some of the questions seem stupid, I’m just trying to how this all works.

yogthos ,
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As I pointed out, we can look at the tangible outcomes in China such as poverty reduction programs that simply aren’t happening in countries where capitalists are in charge. So, we don’t have to take their word for it, we can just look at the outcomes.

It’s also worth noting that 87.6% of young Chinese identify with Marxism, and the party has 95 million members. People in China learn about communism in school, and I think it’s reasonable to assume that a country where vast majority of young people identify as Marxist, would have a genuine communist government in charge.

Another indicator we can look at is that China doesn’t suffer from regular crashes seen under capitalism. An inherent contradiction within capitalism is that the capitalists always want to cut pay for their employees to minimize the costs, while they also require consumers with enough spending power to consume the commodities they produce. This is why capitalism results in regular economic crashes when wages fall below the point where consumption can keep up with the rate of commodity production. At that point you end up with overproduction and a crash. If China was capitalist then it should be experiencing these kinds of crashes regularly just like actual capitalist nations are in the Western world.

Working conditions and wages in China are improving rapidly. Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. Social mobility in China is actually higher than it is in US.

Another example of the difference in China is that it massively invests in infrastructure. They used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, they built 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade. This is another thing we don’t see happening under capitalism because capitalists don’t see significant profit from infrastructure investments. This is the main reason US infrastructure is currently crumbling.

Finally, 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. This sort of home ownership is not seen in capitalist countries where housing has become a commodity.

The reason capitalists run the countries even under Nodric model is because they are able to use their wealth to create disproportionate influence on the society. Capitalists own the media, provide funding for political campaigns, and so on. This allows capitalists to run a propaganda campaign against the population of the country. A couple of excellent books on the subject are Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.

And in fact, we do see this system erode over time. Here’s a discussion of what happened in Sweden since the 70s and how capitalists have been eroding social programs there jacobin.com/…/sweden-1970s-democratic-socialism-o…

Shatur ,
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Interesting, thank you! I’m a little jealous of our Asian brothers. I wish we could have a similar country, but with more western culture.

yogthos ,
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I think if the west ever becomes socialist then the type of socialism we’ll see will necessarily be rooted in western culture and it’s going to be its own unique flavor. Even China says that their system is a product of their own conditions and history, it’s not a model that can be franchised to other countries directly. And Chinese model is far from perfect, so it’s worth looking at both the good and the bad to learn and improve upon what works there while avoiding the negative aspects.

ProvokedGamer , in Nightmare on meme street
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What’s up fellow lucid dreamer!

anders ,

@ProvokedGamer @Enchantments nice to meet you guys !

mr_washee_washee , in Good, you're finally awake.

we need to set an instance/community in his name that documents all the greed aspects of internet companies and the sustainable and user friendly alternatives to fight those: like firefox is to Chrome, invidious, odysee, the fediverse, vpns, alternatives to isps (?) , i2p and p2p, Libgen, Anna’s archive …

trippingonthewire , in Good, you're finally awake.

Aaron Swartz and Skyrim, both awesome.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted , in Good, you're finally awake.
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Rip da homey. :'(

Feweroptions , in Explain this too, atheists

Alternatively, all of nature can be explained by mathematics, rather then being based on it.

herrwoland OP ,
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One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature.

Edit: it’s a quote from this excellent movie, pi: youtu.be/yRjkQT9xLZs

Pitri ,
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mathematics is a human language/system.

nature just follows the laws and quirks this universe has. the plants, animals and subatomic particles will keep doing the same, regardless if we have a tool or theory that can describe what they’re doing.

sure, there are patterns everywhere in nature, but i would not go as far as to say that that makes mathematics a language of nature.

quazar ,

Eh, no. Mathematics is an hallucination of ours we are trying to desperately map onto reality. I say this as a mathematician. When you look out into our reality, you know what we see? A curved universe. There is nothing in our reality that is truely STRAIGHT.

YET, we creatures came up with such an unnatural thing as a straight line. Straight lines are a uniquely human hallucination. Its the logic we use to make sense of the world, but its a Rorschach test of our own making. You are attaching meaning to it because thats what our brains do. generate meaning out of chaos.

I need to look no further than pi, which is a number that represents our feeble attempts to push the round universe into our square heads. Its trying to represent the curved universe as a straight line (and visavers) - and reality said : LOL, NOPE!! YOU get a number that is more illusive than the irrationals. A never ending non patterned number.

All of nature is not based on mathematics. Mathematics is the language we use to describe nature. Thats like saying the Grand Canyon is BASED on book describing the Grand Canyon.

1.) No its not. Its our language, not nature’s.

2.) To a degree, yes. But thats because our brains are pattern seeking and pattern generating machines - not because nature follows a system WE made up.

3.) Did I mention Pi yet

Here

i.imgur.com/a5ueCi5.jpg

THIS is a graph of a discovery that I made in number theory. Does it look like it has a pattern to you? I think this is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen, because IT MAKES NO SENSE. which means, we still have a lot to discover and learn

SwallowsDick ,

Yeah I was gonna say, mathematics is the human interpretation of naturally occurring proportions

aaron , in And the lord said, this will go towards your deductible

And the Lord commanded, “Your cart ride to the infirmary shall be charged at 100 times the cost of service,” and it was so.

ImplyingImplications , in And the lord said, this will go towards your deductible

Supply Side Jesus! Praise be!

Rhoeri , in reddit be like
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From what I’ve read, they’re not hurting from any of this at all. It’s all back to normal. Which is very disappointing.

HobbitFoot , in reddit be like

I would have been ok if Reddit charged a reasonable rate for its API, even if it was based on having a form of Reddit premium. But the point wasn’t that Reddit was charging, it was that Reddit made the price so high that it was wasn’t worth it.

intensely_human , in reddit be like

Their revenue model seemed fine with awards. Brilliant model. Value out of thin air. I spent maybe $5/mo on awards.

Seeing the content itself as the product was a mistake for reddit. It’s like charging people for silverware at a restaurant.

Use of the API, just like use of the HTTP servers, drove engagement and engagement drove awards sales.

Just like the use of silverware drives meal purchases at a restaurant. Reddit charging for the API is like a restaurant charging to get the menu texted to you.

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