Hi German here, we say fuck ICE a lot because it’s a fast Train who always comes late. But to make a long story short, I am missing something here, what does ICE stand for?
And don’t forget about separating parents from children, holding illegal immigrants in overcrowded cells made from chain link fences inside buildings… They are America’s version of the Show me your papers patrol.
Blame the parents for not immigrating legally. ICE is there to protect our borders. Want open borders? You can donate your house first. Oh not your house? Then fuck off.
Millions live here legally. “It’s hard!” is not an excuse.
Blame the fact that it’s so difficult to immigrate legally yet an overwhelming number of businesses rely on cheap immigrant labor. This is a feature, not a bug, because they can pay the illegal immigrants less and abuse them without fear of reprisal because if the employer gets any attitude about it, they call ICE and have the worker deported and replaced with the next struggling desperate immigrant.
There is no illegal worker in the US that would rather be an illegal worker than a legal carded one. The system is stacked against them because it saves businesses money to do so.
Don’t forget to save some blame for the CIA destabilizing South American governments and terrible living conditions for a huge percentage of the population.
South American governments should get their shit together. But they can’t and we all know why. Importing that here is like shitting in your pool then wondering why no one want to swim at your pool party.
It’s pretty hard to “get your shit together” when a hegemonic for profits from you not having your shit together.
In the mean time, what should the regular people do? Just keep suffering through society in a chokehold from drug cartels? Keep raising their kids there?
Yes, because naturally no other country in the world enjoys a similar level of prosperity without creating an underclass that they abuse for their profit.
We don’t need to print more money, we have more than enough money. We just need to recirculate the money we do have. There is plenty of money in the USA for most citizens to live a comfortable life without exploitation, but 80% of that money is buried in the pockets of corporations and 15% of the remaining 20% is buried in the pockets of billionaires.
Remember, if you want to let other people move, it also automatically gives them the legal right to steal your house and leave you homeless. That’s why I’m living under a bridge while a family from Mississippi has taken my house. Its okay though. They were born on the plot of dirt between Canada and Mexico, so really that means they’re defending my freedom by stealing my house.
Who said anything about giving things away? You just made that up. What, you think immigrants are stealing your jobs and also not paying rent? That’s not how thing work in the real world. The only people getting your stuff are the prisons full of innocent people who just wanted a chance at a better life.
"The city is launching a pilot program that will provide migrants with prepaid debit cards to buy only food and baby supplies, "
But the Democrats are losing voters in record numbers, they had to do something to make the election rigging in 2025 look plausible. Solution: import millions of ‘voters’ and give them free shit.
We dont need open borders, we need a immigration system that can deal with the number of people seeking asylum.
You want a steady stream not a flood.
But I get why people risk it to come here. You can walk down the street without worrying about getting killed, kidnapped, tortured, raped… How about we send some of that 895 billion of pentagon dollars to Mexico for law enforcement instead. Like 10 billion, 1 jet fighter. Make Mexico safe for civilians, create job opportunities, and illegal immigration will slow.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement, border patrol. They’re notorious for the abuse of immigrants(even legal ones) trying to cross over from Mexico.
For real, fuck ICE. My fully booked evening train got cancelled after we had already boarded, the next two that day were fully booked as well, I had to find an airbnb with a toddler and travel the next day, and they replaced just half of the ticket price because I cOuLD HaVe tAKeN AnOtHer TrAiN
If your train is canceled, your ticket is automatically valid for all other trains going in the same direction (doesnt have to be the same route, as long as it will reasonably take you to your destination) for the whole day.
Depending on how mutch later the next connection arrives, you can get all/parts of your ticket price back.
I’m so confused. You still swore. We knew what you meant and you knew what you meant. You just censored the text. We’ve got alternatives with no censoring. Message me for Jesus Approved cursing. (please don’t)
the phrase that people are repeating is not ‘screw ice’ or ‘screw the police’. ‘f***’ is much closer to the original. i just prefer not to type out the actual letters; is that so bad ?
Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Basically the federal border control cops that for some damn reason have jurisdiction anywhere within 250 miles of the border.
We can do it, we can create our own Internet, I mean Lemmy, without pitchforks and torches! At least until Lemmy gets relevant. Well, as “relevant” as reddit used to be.
Every “good cop” is one that looks the other way when the bad cops do bad cop things. Or they are actively in the process of being harassed out of the department for “making trouble”.
Though it should also be said that the modem anti-cop movement comes from the correct understanding that their primary purpose is to protect private property interests, not your safety. Even the theoretical “nice” cop is spending their time, effort, and focus on store break-ins and broken windows and harassing homeless people that a business owner calls an “eyesore” or worse. But again, if they don’t carry water for the rest of their gang members that “nice” cop is getting kicked out of the department.
Well, I get it. There’s better places to spend ones time than being a nice cop.
Either they comply of they’re out. But… You know. People are pressured to pay for housing, and food, and health. Maybe they’re paying for someone’s cancer treatment in their family. And cop work pays well.
People don’t have much of a choice. We’re all fucked. But individuals are not the problem here. The system is. The chain of command is. Capitalism is.
Fuck the police, as the repression apparatus for the bonjoursie state. Care for the people.
They’re also seems to be a lot of issues with policy that they’re expected to follow. And when they do unconstitutional stuff, they get defended for doing it.
If money wasn’t needed. If people had access to dignified work to pay for housing, food and health, they would have a choice.
Cop work is always available, on a very low entry bar, paying generally better than equivalent positions elsewhere. And shitty people get to vent their violence unchecked.
Nice cops “just” have to sell their should a bit. Some people get desperate and are willing to pay the consciousness price.
In my opinion these positions shouldn’t even be available, the whole chain of command should be replaced by people representing the oppressed classes, committed to ending oppression.
I’m not defending police, I just think the criticism has to focus on the institution problem, not at the individual problem. Individuals are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, systems are everything.
I think it’s fair to say that “nice cops” see themselves as civilians, and representatives of the population, trying to improve things.
Soldiers are military, and a very different category. But! I read many US military personnel go in there because superior education is not really accessible anywhere else. So, maybe there’s a gray zone, there? Cannon fodder soldiers from poor strata die first, in any war. Most don’t want to be there.
I have particular views about IDF being an genocidal maniacal occupation force for a colonising state that commits innumerable crimes against humanity. That you’re probably not interested about.
And I have particular views about NATO using disguised Nazi Ideology in puppet states to seize and control it, that I also wouldn’t think you wouldn’t be particularly interested about.
Sure, like any other wildly unethical job there’s a spectrum of different people’s privilege and ability to easily cut out to a less cartoonishly evil job – I would hold Person A with a background in cybersecurity and no dependants a lot more responsible for every day they remain a cop than Person B who joined police academy straight out of high school and is supporting 5 children etc.
But saying that Person B should be excluded from “fuck cops” – that is, that there should be an exception to the general cultural work of making it socially unacceptable to be part of a murderous, racist, unjust, reactionary paid army – is supporting the institution that you’re claiming to be against. Waiting until a complete societal transformation before campaigning for people to not take blood money (your euphemistic “consciousness price”) is valuing Person B’s economic solvency over the lives of the people they (or, being generous, just their colleagues) will harass, target, frame, and even kill.
I explained to a police officer in my beer sharing circles during the George Floyd protests:
Damn near every kid in a high school cafeteria knows who the bad kids are and what tables they sit at. It’s no different anywhere in the real world. Every cop at every precinct knows which cops are the bad ones.
Unlike a highschool cafeteria, you, as a police officer, have a civic, professional, and moral duty to do everything in your power to get those cops kicked the fuck out. And the idea that doing so might somehow harm your career? That’s why “all cops are bastards.” It’s rotten from the top down. A few bad apples, in the case of police officers, spoils the whole bunch.
Well, you see. Those in charge want that apple there. Because when push comes to shove that apple will also kill activists, protestors and political opponents without asking questions or refusing orders. He will keep fellow apples in check and keep them from speaking up as well. They like that apple.
Fun story time. My wife Rick rolled me during our wedding ceremony. She asked to officiant if we could each send him a secret passage to be read during the ceremony. The officiant read my passage, the Dr Seuss passage about finding someone with compatible weirdness, then he started her passage “you know the rules, and” and at the moment I knew I’d been had. It was awesome. He went all the way through the first chorus.
Comrade, please return shed. It is nicest in all of Russia! Babuska keeping of potato in shed, is only way to protect. Also, the dead bodies, but is other story.
How is it that this literally came up in conversation at the family get together over the weekend, and on Monday it’s being memed? Proof again this world is just a simulation and has memory limitations.
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