This don’t avoid to sleep not even for 1/2 second. But pick any number. If that number is even, divide it by 2. If it’s odd, multiply it by 3 and add 1. Now repeat the process with your new number. If you keep going, you’ll eventually end up at 1.
Difficult to prove whether acupuncture is placebo or not, because you can’t really make a control group believe that they’ve been poked with needles without actually poking them with needles.
But at the very least, you are poking people with needles, so unlike homeopathy, it will have some non-placebo effect. The question is rather whether that’s the medicinal effect you’re trying to achieve.
Having said that, I’ve had acupuncture, because my mum dragged me there. I was not convinced that it’d help, yet it did reduce pain. That still does not fully exclude the possibility of a placebo effect, but it seems rather unlikely to me either way.
I remember many years ago New Scientist magazine did a review study of many different alternative medicine techniques and found that the only benefits they provided were placebo effect.
Except acupuncture. That was the only one with an effect greater than placebo.
In a 2018 review, data from 12 studies (8,003 participants) showed acupuncture was more effective than no treatment for back or neck pain, and data from 10 studies (1,963 participants) showed acupuncture was more effective than sham acupuncture. The pain-relieving effect of acupuncture was comparable to that of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs).
Physiotherapists use a form of acupuncture called dry needling, which can be used to trigger muscle twitching/relaxation (I’m not really super knowledgeable on it, I’ve just been to the physio, who use this in combination with massage, specific exercises etc)
Acupuncture is amazing. I live in South Korea where acupuncture is a very common practice and it downright works. I don’t know well enough to say this but I seriously doubt that while there’s no doubt it plays a big role in its effectiveness but it’s definitely more than just placebo effect. It definitely does something.
It’s when you start to add spiritual significance and meaning to it accupuncture becomes bonkers. Otherwise it’s a specific form of a massage that lets one single out and affect specific muscles. Therefore a knowledgeable person can make wonders by applying it correctly. As a bonus: the whole experience of laying like a hedgehog.
There’s a very famous case of frostbite so bad that the doctors insisted that the patient needed amputation(severance? Not sure how you say cutting off toes) but a traditional Korean doctor cured it only with acupuncture and some herbal medicine. The patient recently made an interview about it as well. I was able to find this related paper as well.
Still not sure if this can be achieved only with some form of placebo. Guess I am too familiar with the idea of acupuncture being real?
the crazy thing about placebo is just how effective it is. because yes, placebo could do that.
we have piles of studies that prove beyond a doubt that placebo can measurably and significantly aid in the healing of physical injuries like broken legs. you don’t Even need to believe in it. there’s studies where patients are told they’re being given a placebo that will do nothing, and they STILL got better faster than the group given nothing.
I specified when it’s not placebo and is real. Even in that rare case it wasn’t aligning chackras or whatever but served as a surprise remedy to return normal blood circulation. Was it that timely or maybe doctors were too amputation-happy? Either way, not that much mystery, more luck.
Placebo comes when there are claims it treats what’s out of it’s reach, like cancer, or improves overall quality of life in some mystical way. The worst offence there is cases where patients refuse medications and therapy because they get in a great mood and have some pain relief after a session, like with many other semi-pseudoscientifical treatments. Otherwise it’s a nice kind of a physical therapy.
There’s another patient who didn’t get the toe amputation, and gangrene spread to where he lost the entire leg and 80% of his kidney function. This one did not thank acupuncture for his outcome.
This one very famous case of a guy who got very lucky, and ended up alive and uncrippled and didn’t have to take time off from perpetual dialysis treatments to smile for magazine covers maybe doesn’t represent what generally happens to people in his situation.
Yeah I had acupuncture to induce labor with one of my kids, the water had broken and I was “on the clock” so the midwife called an acupuncturist and they did some sort of electrified needles and it absolutely did work, and is apparently as effective as pitocin, or slightly more so. It was an unsettling feeling to get acupuncture done to induce pain.
Exactly. Multiples of 5 are easy enough in my opinion, but the principle can be used for all kinds of stuff when trying to calculate quickly.
For instance 9x =10x-x is usually faster than 9x (at least for my brain).
I once talked to an old guy who called it “little math”, because it fits in your head instead of having to use paper and pencil at the desk. It must have been taught differently before I was born. I work with numbers, and I’ve often encountered these old geezers who can eyeball a number close enough to make a decision before I can boot my pc and put everything through Excel.
I like that there’s a name for it. I always try to do that if possible. Division by 25? You mean multiply by 4 and divide by 100. Convert miles to km? That’s x + x/2 + x/10.
Not sure if qualify as old geezer, you never know on the internet. I’m old for most people here, but you mention Excel, so you sound closer to my age :)
Last year I went blueberry picking the day before I had to leave for vacation. So I took a quart-size bag of blueberries on the plane with me and ate those the whole way there. 10/10 best plane snack I’ve ever had!
Yeah if someone’s benefitting from a placebo effect, the worst thing you can do is point out that it’s a placebo. If you convince them it won’t work, then you’ve just destroyed the therapeutic effect their brain was giving them. Just shut up and let the placebo do its thing.
Depends on the setting. In a nurse-patient situation, you don’t ever bullshit them in the hopes of tricking them into some kind of benefit.
If your grandpa is raving on Facebook about how acupuncture is working better than opioids for post-knee-replacement pain management, then… “Hey that’s great you found something that works for you!”
YetAnotherUser makes a good point about not enabling a culture of scams or pseudoscience as well.
Placebos work even when you knows it’s a placebo though. Pointing out something is a placebo is important because many are at best overpriced scams (homeopathy) and at worst actively harmful (chiropracty). The culture behind many placebos is also rife with pseudoscience and advocates against seeking out genuine care, so you should ensure nobody gets invested into placebos past a certain point.
One can make an informed decision regarding taking placebos if and only if one knows it’s a placebo, else one will be scammed and/or harmed.
I think, it is the real world logic that makes it hard to grasp. If you divide something with something small it becomes bigger. Mathematically it’s easy and makes sense, but it it’s somehow not intuitive. Especially for young me :)
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