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Mandy , in Google are so shit

We both know barely a single person this is referring to even knows what a browser is

clearleaf , in The Adblockalypse is coming

For anyone who thinks they’re “stuck” with chrome, Firefox has gotten it’s shit together massively in the last few years.

CodeSalat ,

How can I disable autoplay after user interaction on mobile? On desktop this works via about:config but there’s no such thing for mobile.

isVeryLoud ,

I don’t think FF supports PWAs yet. I need to use Chromium to turn some sites like Discord into PWAs, as the desktop Linux version doesn’t screen share on Wayland. I also like having YTM as an app.

fuzzzerd ,

I believe that there is an extension for Firefox pwa support, but the Android version definitely supports pwas natively.

isVeryLoud ,

Yes, FF Android does, the extension for the desktop was very janky last time I used it. Mozilla just needs to support it natively IMO.

shrugal ,

Works pretty well for me. They patched a lot of issues over the last year, so maybe give it another try.

chiliedogg ,

Which is why Google’s next step is to effectively require chromium browsers for any websites wanting access to Google services and products.

rifugee ,

Sounds like a good reason to stop using Google services and products. Some examples (note, I haven’t used some of these yet):

Search - DuckDuckGo

Email - ProtonMail

Drive - Dropbox

Sheets/Docs - Zoho

Some of these examples may not the best for everyone, but my point is that we do not have to let Google continue to push us around.

chiliedogg ,

It’s not you and me. It’s the websites. They’re not going to give up on having anyone with Chrome or using Google services from being able to access their sites. We’d end up with 2 Internets - one with Google and one without. And we all know that the one with Google will win.

grue , (edited )

No, it sounds like a good reason for anti-trust regulators to make an injunction to stop Google from doing it.

It’s time for this fantasy bullshit notion that boycotts are worth a damn to end. In reality, it’s nothing but pro-corporate propaganda designed to make people think they’re “fighting the man” or whatever when they’re actually completely ineffective.

Now, don’t get me wrong: by all means, please feel free to quit using Google’s shit! That’s 100% a good thing and I fully encourage it! Just don’t delude yourself into thinking it represents even the slightest shred of a solution to the systemic problem Google’s anticompetitive strategies represent.

Daft_ish ,

Sorry, our hyper partisan system has all but crippled regulation.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Regulars are too busy trying to get rid of encryption. A double edged sword in the situation with Google’s drm

geolaw ,

Can you suggest a replacement for Android?

rifugee ,

These are built from the open source version of Android and do not have Google stuff:

  • LineageOS
  • GrapheneOS (can be installed on Pixels)

These are based on various flavors of Linux (Android is technically a flavor of Linux too):

  • PureOS (Librem 5 line by Purism)
  • Ubuntu Touch (support for lots of devices, but typically not the flagships)
  • Manjaro OS (on PinePhone by PINE64, an open source hardware community, which is the best way I can describe it)
sirfacefone ,

If you like ChatGPT/care less about privacy, Bing is a great alternative.

nanoUFO ,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

or just use the open source open assistant io

HawlSera ,

Mozzilla be suing

ilikekeyboards ,

Feels bad but I can’t condone this behaviour anymore and I feel ashamed that I haven’t seen the greed Google is capable of doing.

In the coming months I will do my best to migrate away from the Google system, even if I end up paying a tad more, maybe just in time to set up a home server for photos.

beeb ,

The Proton offering is a great alternative imo

lamia ,

Well, if you can live with the fact that you need to either use the webmailer, their mobile apps or the bridge on desktop to use standard mail/calendar/anything software. I tried for a few years to migrate to PM (with a paid plan) but failed :(

OfficerBribe ,

There is no way anything like this would ever go through. Google’s own lawyers would quickly put a stop at this. It is known that Google sometimes has used features that for Firefox is problematic at least for YouTube, but it eventually is resolved by changes in FF

Bloodyhog ,

Oh, but it will not be GOOGLE’s next step. I dont think it is the goal anyway. They only need to help site owners to sign up to their WEI thing, and there will be oh so many incentives. Google will be happy to license it out, or even make the toolkit fully opensource, to whoever wants to implement it in their browser, regardless of the engine used. Their obvious ultimate goal is to show the ads with no interruptions, which also happens to be the desire of most of the websites. And many websites will willingly implement it on their side, they do not really need too much encouragement.

NamesArrHard ,

Any idea if Firefox has a good translation extension? Like Chrome has Google translate that actively translates the sites you enter into English.

I live in a country that I don’t speak the language of, so I often need to use websites and translate them to English, which is why I’ve been stuck with Chrome.

Catweazle ,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@NamesArrHard @clearleaf, better than a extension is to use this one for Desktop, so you can use it independent of the browser.
It's FOSS, multiengine for 125 languages, customizable shortcuts, Windows and Linux

https://crow-translate.github.io

KryckA ,

Sadly the only thing it’s lacking. Saw a couple of years ago they were looking at different technologies to implement it client side for privacy reasons.

Before post edit:
While looking for the source i found this:
Firefox Tests Privacy-Friendly Web Page Translations

It’s coming bby!

teuniac_ ,

There are 36 pages of translation extensions. The official one works without the cloud, which is pretty unique.

Personally I like the Immersive Translate extension. You can select your preferred translation engine (cloud based, but it supports many) and it shows you both the translated text and original text by alternating the paragraphs.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

simple translate

OfficerBribe ,

This was also the best alternative I could find that seemed somewhat safe to use. Chromium browsers still are better at translate, but this seemed fine for my use case

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Does Firefox support multiple windows on iPad OS yet? That was the reason I stayed with Chrome for so long, and also is why I’ve more recently switched to Edge as the only other cross-platform browser I could find that had that.

sina ,
@sina@lemmy.ml avatar

Firefox on ios is barely more than just a skin to Safari.

Micromot ,
@Micromot@lemmycook.de avatar

Yeah it doesn’t support any addons or simple features

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Its renderer is, yes. But not its UI, and the UI is the problem here.

spikespaz ,

I mean this with no personal enmity: piss off with your iPad. (Don’t expect power user features to actually be good)

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Umm, why? With all due respect, why would you expect me to stop using a device that does everything I want it to perfectly well? I use Edge and it syncs with my Windows desktop and Android phone perfectly well. Both Edge and Google Chrome have supported this feature. It’s only Firefox that is being a laggard.

This is not an iPad problem, it’s a Firefox one.

SIGSEGV ,

I’m not sure, but Firefox on iOS isn’t true Firefox. To my knowledge, Apple doesn’t allow browsers to use anything but their Safari engine. As another user put it, “Firefox on iOS is barely more than a skin for Safari.

I can speak to Firefox on desktop and Android, however: they’re fantastic!

tl;dr: If FF sucks on iOS, it’s Apple’s fault.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

If FF sucks on iOS, it’s Apple’s fault.

Nope, not in this case. iPad OS has supported multiple windows of the same app for years now (since 2018 or 2019), and Safari naturally supported it out of the gate. Google supported it in Chrome very quickly, and Microsoft got around to it with Edge last year.

It turns out that while the rendering part of all browsers on iOS is Safari, the skin and UI elements (the “chrome” that Google’s browser was named after) are all custom to each app. And Firefox has been very poor at upgrading theirs.

SIGSEGV ,

That’s so weird, then, that it’d be so radically different than it is on Android. Why do you think that is?

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Is it radically different? It’s a feature that iPad OS supports that the iPhone version of iOS doesn’t, and I don’t think Android does (though I’ve not used an Android tablet in nearly 10 years, so maybe tablets on Android can do it?). Obviously desktops all support multiple windows and have done forever. Technically, by not having implemented this feature it actually means it’s more similar to Android.

Firefox is rather under-resourced in terms of developer power, and they’ve been consistently prioritising other things rather than implementing this feature. I don’t think there’s much more to it than that. It’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for why they haven’t done it—any team needs to prioritise what they work on. But it’s also reasonable for a user who values that feature to choose a competitor that has delivered it over one that has not. That’s the natural trade-off.

SIGSEGV ,

I’m dumb, and had to reread what you wrote. I thought you meant tabs this whole time (doh). I haven’t even used an iPad before, so I didn’t know that feature existed. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen multiple windows of Firefox on Android (but you can have multiple apps open side-by-side).

I think it is unlikely Mozilla would support that feature, given the lack of resources and demand; iPad’s are niche.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah and that’s fine. I’m not saying Firefox is evil for not having this feature or anything like that. I’m merely explaining why it is that I find it to be a sub-par option, and why I choose Edge instead, for the moment.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Nah, Apple doesn’t allow any other browser engines on iOS other than their own, so every browser available on it is just safari.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Sure, but that’s not actually my point.

Since 2018 or so, iPad OS has supported multiple windows of the same application, but only if the app developer supports it. Safari, of course, supported this immediately. Google got around to implementing it pretty quickly on Chrome. Edge took years before they finally got there last year or maybe the year before.

Firefox, last time I checked (which was admittedly a few months ago) still did not support it. Plus, on their GitHub page, there was some talk about trying to implement it in a really dumb way, with each window sharing all the same tabs—completely defeating the point of the feature, in my opinion.

When wanting sync between my desktop (Windows), phone (Android), and tablet (iPad OS), I don’t really care what renderer is used under the hood. I care what name brand is on the browser and what it’s able to sync with. Firefox syncs with Firefox, even when Firefox is secretly Safari.

drbi ,

Now you can use desktop extensions on firefox mobile. They stepped up big time.

Koffiato ,

Did they lift the “only curated extensions” bullshit yet? I’m on Kiwi just to be able to run my own (unpacked) extensions that FF doesn’t let me do so.

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

There is an override you can use on Firefox Nightly to run any extension you want

reddthat ,
@reddthat@reddthat.com avatar

Not yet but it’s coming very soon!

It’s already in nightly, and usually after nightly (if everything is fine/works well/etc) then it usually take 3-6months before it’s in mainline.

(iirc)

panda_paddle ,

I dont understand when people think Firefox didn’t have their shit together. Been using it since 2006 and never had an issue. Ya’ll must be doing some serious browsing.

sock ,

i remember it looking pretty sketchy and bad back in the day while chrome looked a lot nicer and user friendly

im a firefox user now i think chrome looks ugly compared to firefox nowadays

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Been using since release. I never felt like I was making some kind of compromise by using it. Firefox always had their shit together from my experience.

Now, it’s on par with Chrome or better than (tradeoffs and personal preference), even for developing web apps. Firefox dev tools pull ahead of Chrome’s, then Chrome catches up and does something new and useful, then Firefox catches up, and so forth.

Firefox is good. It’s not like “I’m leaving Photoshop for the GIMP” kind of thing-- It’s like “I’m leaving Honda for Toyota.”

wolfpack86 ,

When chrome was released, Firefox felt bloated visually and slow. I switched to chrome with the initial release, then tried to come back to Firefox some years later. Still felt like it was slow.

Im back trying it again. The desktop browser seems to work alright, but I’m growing weary of the Android app.

Koffiato ,

It was really slow before Quantum happened and it’s smooth sailing ever since imo.

Bulletdust ,

Been using FF since forever, never felt my experience was in any way slow compared to Chrome.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Firefox has never not had it’s shit together. It’s worked fine. I never understood people having issues with it, unless they were running like 50 extensions and a bunch of grease monkey scripts along with a crusty old profile with a massive cache of old data.

Meanwhile everyone is complaining about Chrome eating up all their RAM

Koffiato ,

Funnily enough Chromium actually consumes less RAM and is safer due to better sandboxing.

But neither of these concern the average user. However, the main difference between the browsers user may notice is how pages that are still loading behave. Firefox has the correct behavior. Aka waiting for vast majority of the elements to finish loading versus Chromium just going “if it’s rendered it’s intractable.” This unfortunately means that Firefox feels slower even though it’s actually faster.

Also, on behalf of the dark mode enjoyers, flashing white for a moment while launching, loading web pages or updating contents of a webpage is incredibly annoying. None of the Chromium browsers flash white on dark mode.

Blimp7990 ,

from what I’ve read, the firefox sandboxing is roughly similar to chrome on windows, and hot garbage on linux

OfficerBribe ,

There have been quite a few questionable decisions by Mozilla though, they have focused on some very weird things, not to mention scandals about management salaries (No idea how it is now). I really really hope they will not follow suite which honestly is not as far fetched as one could think.

Blimp7990 ,

excuse me, compact mode is just too hard to maintain and I AM LE TIRED

rndll ,

Firefox is the only browser on Android which still doesn’t have tabs. Wrangling multiple tabs on a tablet or foldable is just a pain on Firefox. Chrome on standard screen sizes even has tab groups. Until then, Firefox is a no go for me.

DefinitelyNotBirds ,

Enjoy your chromium experience with blank spaces and cookies popups then

rndll ,

Sure, I’m enjoying Vivaldi right now. 👍

DTFpanda ,

Uhh what? I’ve been using Firefox on Android for a looong time and there are tabs…

rndll ,

I’m speaking of an exposed tabs bar. Like all modern browsers have… except Firefox for Android. connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/…/333

DTFpanda ,

That’s fine but that isn’t what you said originally. Cheers

wamasi , in Whatchu got
chemicalwonka , in You WILL use chrome, and you WILL watch the ads!
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

My future browser will be a terminal prompt

davidisgreat ,
chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Nice. but Unfortunately WEI will detect the header of the request and block site access even with a terminal browser. The end is near.

m3t00 ,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar
nickwitha_k ,

That’s when we fork the protocol to remove the garbage.

lntl ,

Spoof the header?

chemicalwonka , (edited )
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

WEI will request a authentication token that will be provided by a third part software like Play Store in Android to certificate that your request is made by you a human and not by a bot so technically spoof the header agent will not be effective. Dark times awaits us my friend. Other problem is how deep embedded in the system this trust agent that provides these tokens will be. It may be embedded in kernel like Easy Anti Cheat for example and this will make the things even worse because they can classify many devices like " not approved " just by not meet software or hardware requirements

lntl ,

Compile a kernel?

chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It’s no so simple, man. The vast majority of users don’t have the skills to do this and I think even if you compile the kernel of your personalized system it will not circumvent WEI and it will brake some functionality somehow

lntl ,

Develop an API which spoofs authorization authentication tokens? Like man in the middle?

tool ,
@tool@lemmy.world avatar

Changing request headers is a trivial thing.

wanderingmagus ,

SearXNG+Peertube/Odyssee+Mastodon+Lemmy/kbin+Radarr++nyaa.si+sonarr+ProtonMail+Krita+Monkrus

Arr me hearties.

AlittleTooClose ,
@AlittleTooClose@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that’s pretty cool!

salient_one ,
@salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

Browsh is pretty cool for a text-based browser.

DaBabyAteMaDingo , in The Chad English Gammon:

Anthony Fantano has fucking lost it

kapx132 , in You WILL use chrome, and you WILL watch the ads!
@kapx132@lemmy.world avatar

I have already quit reddit, I can live without youtube.

peopleproblems ,

The amount of stuff I watched on YouTube was 0.

Honestly it’s about time the internet grows up a bit and stops relying on horrible video tutorials.

citrusface ,

I’m sorry - video tutorials are so much easier for me to learn from than reading. I am 40 and have a disability. It’s far easier for me to comprehend a video than reading - and since I can’t have someone come to my home and teach or show me all the things I want to learn how to do - I watch videos.

I think the issue is corporate greed - not people wanting to watch cat videos and learn how to unclog a sink or watch someone cook something.

SpezCanLigmaBalls ,
@SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world avatar

Why would we not use one of the most convienent ways to teach yourself skills? Thats incredibly backwards

scottywh ,

For certain specific use cases a video tutorial can be incredibly useful… like replacing specific parts on appliances or cars after diagnosing the problem.

Much of the content there is just noise to me too but there’s definitely some shit I find valuable.

i_lost_my_bagel ,
@i_lost_my_bagel@seriously.iamincredibly.gay avatar

Fun fact: people use YouTube for things other than tutorials

AndreyAsimow ,
@AndreyAsimow@lemmy.world avatar

Do Out have time to talk about our lord and savior LibreTube?

original_ish_name ,

LBRY/Peertube master race

danc4498 , in They're not worth it!

How many dimensions is that picture though?

Goldmage263 , in Whatchu got
@Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works avatar
name_NULL111653 ,

The worst part is that that grammar is correct…

TheRealKuni ,

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.

(This is much easier to understand with punctuation.)

James, while John had had ‘had’, had had ‘had had’; ‘had had’ had had a better effect on the teacher.

And of course there’s always “Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.”

ininewcrow ,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

That was very subtle

(God I hate looking at and reading that word)

spiderjuzce , in Louis Rossman is right

The iPad is great for art so I would mostly agree except for some things

JammaJammaPJ , in Like clockwork

That’s some solid content ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

ButtholeSpiders OP ,
@ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website avatar

I try keeping it simple.

123456789 , in Whatchu got
Trekman10 , in You WILL use chrome, and you WILL watch the ads!
@Trekman10@sh.itjust.works avatar

What’s going on with Chrome? Can’t find news about it

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

The TLDR is that Google is implementing DRM into Chrome that will cause sites to only work on validated Chromium-based browser installations and operating systems.

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

So… Don’t Be evil?

TrustingZebra ,

I don’t know if this is widespread, but I started getting video ads on YouTube while using Chrome, despite having uBlock Origin. Firefox + uBlock Origin still works great though!

DessertStorms , in Be sure to keep your manholes covered!
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar
Rizoid , in Google are so shit
@Rizoid@programming.dev avatar

I’ve tried firefox in the past. Back and forth I go when google does something dumb but I always go back. This time I think I’ll deal with the stuff I don’t like for now, or maybe make extensions to fill the voids that I miss desperately.

drekly ,

Been using it since the start of the year, the transition was pretty simple. what don’t you like?

Rizoid ,
@Rizoid@programming.dev avatar

I rely on chromes tab groupings. Nothing in Firefox does as good a job, but I’m getting by just fine for now.

drekly ,

Why so many tabs? I close as I go else it’s a cluttered mess.

Rizoid ,
@Rizoid@programming.dev avatar

I usually have 30+ tabs grouped around in chrome. I got a lot going on and it helps keep my ADHD in check when I’m trying to work on something.

drekly ,

My version is starred emails in Gmail and folders full of bookmarks instead 😅

I hope they integrate a tab grouping functionality for you tab hoarders soon!

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Is your solution to Firefox not having proper tab grouping “why do you need tab grouping?” Lol

drekly ,

I don’t have a solution, so I’m having a conversation about it.

I don’t have a solution, so I’m having a conversation about it.

Don’t treat me like I own Firefox and it’s my job to convert everyone.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Why not? It seems like that’s exactly what you’re doing lol

drekly ,

I’m just asking questions, as I haven’t personally had many issues. I’ve had some, but not the ones mentioned by the people here. I feel like people would prefer to have a browser with an ad blocker so I’m interested in what hurdles people are finding that may be stopping them.

Not everything is an argument.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like people would prefer to have a browser with an ad blocker

Well… Most do? Lol you can install UBO on anything, or you can use browsers that come with it baked in like Vivaldi.

drekly ,

Ok. You seem like you have an issue with firefox.

Why would you recommend these browsers instead? Do they offer something better?

sbv ,

15 years ago, Firefox would cause my desktop computer to spin up its really loud fan once or twice an hour. It was a room away from my bedroom, but it was enough to wake up my (now) wife, who was angry, but unable to identify the source of the noise. That lasted for a few weeks before I noticed it during the day. When I switched to Chrome, it stopped.

It’s totally unreasonable, but it’s enough to keep me off Firefox. I’m sure both browsers have been rewritten multiple times since then.

Well, it was, until the whole “web integrity thing”.

drekly ,

Yeah. That does sound unreasonable haha.

I used to use Firefox before chrome released. It used to be the best, but chrome took the crown after Firefox became a memory eater.

Now chrome is being all iTunes walled garden, and Firefox also recently overtook it in terms of speed.

I installed it alongside my trusty chrome install, played around with extensions(or add-ons) until the experience mostly matched, and switched over once I was satisfied.

Chrome’s still installed if I need it, but I haven’t needed it!

It’s worth a go at least!

kadu ,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

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  • sidewalker ,

    Yes. This. Chrome’s multi-profile mode is perfect. Firefox’s about:profile bullshit is just awful.

    Im still FireFox only, but I would love to see some improvement in this area.

    Paradoxvoid ,
    @Paradoxvoid@aussie.zone avatar

    Agreed - they really just need to roll the ‘Profile Switcher for Firefox’ extension into base functionality - and this would have the benefit of not requiring an additional install to work.

    cyberpunk007 ,

    Firefox containers are godly. I’ll never go back to chrome.

    gamey , in Common Google L
    @gamey@feddit.rocks avatar

    Don’t worry, they will drop the pile of shit soon! :D

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