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mr_MADAFAKA ,
@mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml avatar

Pretty much why i switched back to Steam from GOG

DestroyMegacorps ,

Heroic game launcher is a good linux client for gog and epic games

ILikeBoobies ,

And Amazon games

Unyieldingly ,

Chad.

AllNewTypeFace ,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

In the age of the Steam Deck and Proton, the Windows API has largely been demoted to a virtual machine that is already implemented on Linux. Given that some 5% of the market play on Linux, game publishers have an incentive to not write their Windows code in such a way that it breaks on Proton.

Eximius ,

It’s more like “Demoting Windows API from a virtual machine to some .so libraries and a loader executable”

Diplomjodler , (edited )

It’s not like you’ll ever run out of stuff to play on Linux.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

But Cod 27 has a new lootbox system!

dumpsterlid ,

Yeah but it is basically a shameless rip off of Xonotic’s one.

chrishazfun , (edited )

Maybe only slightly related but I’m lucky to have fallen into the habit of only using foss software for basically everything (GIMP, Kdenlive, OBS, Shutter Encoder, Upscayl etc) cuz all of them have at least one mean of getting downloaded on Linux natively.

dumpsterlid ,

Isn’t it so nice when you think “I would like to edit an image on this computer” so you simply download an image editor and edit the image.

Best part of FOSS, the software is just there waiting for you to use it. Which sounds like a stupid statement to make, but proprietary software only allows you to use it after you have jumped through any number of meaningless hoops.

They don’t even give you any fish for jumping through the hoops either, which every time I tell that to a dolphin they just start laughing at me like I am a fool.

tatterdemalion ,
@tatterdemalion@programming.dev avatar

Especially because devs actually have to go out of their way to exclude Linux these days. Proton makes it so damn easy to support Linux. If you don’t, it’s because you did not even try or you intentionally added some bloat to your software to make it incompatible.

CarbonatedPastaSauce , (edited )

Eh maybe some do it on purpose, but I realized over the decades of my life that blatant incompetence is scarily common.

Simulation6 ,

I never found competence to be exceptionally common.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Not only proton, but unless you are rocking custom engine, pretty much all of them support Linux out of the box. It’s usually middleware that poses an issue and most importantly developer’s inexperience with the OS, which means they can’t provide tech support for their product.

swizga ,

Something a sweet baby inc fan would do. Stop using obsolete trash stick to windows

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

How is GNU/Linux obsolete to Windows of all things?

Prunebutt ,

I remember playing RE: Village and FF VII Remake on Linux after quitting Windows for good and thinking: “Holy shit, this stuff really works, even with recent games with high end graphics!”

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Yeah, recent games work well, but older games are still a problem. I still can’t get X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter or Freedom Force to load.

Cethin ,

Old games are an issue on Windows too. Support for whatever they were using dies and then they get left behind. That’s sadly just how it works.

Prunebutt ,

Not even in a VM?

Colour_me_triggered ,

Stardew valley works on Linux. I’m not aware of any other games.

pineapplelover ,

protondb.com

JackGreenEarth ,

Portal 1 and 2, Minecraft: Java edition, The Witcher 3 (with Proton GE), Hyperbolica, Subnautica (with Proton), Half Life, Geometry Dash, Terraria, Spore, Space Engine, The Sims 4.

CarbonatedPastaSauce ,

There are literally thousands, thanks to Steam and the work on Proton. I recently made the leap from Windows to Linux as my daily driver, for the first time ever, after using Windows on my PCs since 3.1.

Out of the roughly ten games I was playing regularly in Windows when I switched, there isn’t a single one that’s unplayable. The only one I’m still struggling with is Dyson Sphere Program but that’s because they hard coded the E key and I can’t use autohotkey to work around that anymore (I’m a ESDF guy, not WASD). The game itself runs fine.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Have you not used the internet for the past 5 years or is it a troll?

Custodian1623 ,

psst they mean they don’t play anything else

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

So a gentle troll then.

ILikeBoobies ,

Epic style 😎

Holzkohlen ,

Stardew Valley

Can’t believe there is actually another game on this planet alongside Minecraft Beta 1.7.3

ILikeBoobies ,

You misspelt the open source Infiniminer that Minecraft is based off of

ARk ,

I’d rather have fun and play the game

RecluseRamble ,

Me too. And running Windows is no fun.

shrugal ,

But M$ likes to play games with you!

trailblazer911 ,

Is Windows bad? Why is it not fun? Can you give a few reasons? I would like to try Linux.

Oha ,

Ai crap, bloatware, advertisements, costs a lot, tracking, almost no customizability, less stable, …

trailblazer911 ,

AI can be disabled or removed from the installation file. Bloatware can be uninstalled manually/Winget/Chris Titus Tech Tools etc (You won’t have all these if you install English International) I never get Ads on Windows An OEM Licence is dirt cheap, and you don’t even need it Tracking can be disabled Define customizability? Less stable? Compared to what? I have never encountered Windows nor an Ubuntu crash unless there is some bad hardware like Memory instabilities). But I’ve had more driver crashes with Linux in modern systems (Both AMD and NVIDIA).

jkrtn ,

“Name one reason, I would like to try Linux.”

“[Names some reasons]”

“[Argues forever]”

People like you are so irritating. What’s the point of doing this? If you wanted to argue about it then why lie to lure people into responding?

It’s Linux, fuck’s sake, if you want to argue about it just make a top level post writing anything at all about Windows or any distro and you’ll have plenty of takers.

trailblazer911 ,

Argument was not the plan. Whenever someone speaks for Windows, it’s an argument. Whenever someone speaks for Linux, it’s a fact. Lemmy Logic. Had the question be Why is Linux Bad? I could have listed Driver Incompatibility with modern hardware. The reply will be it’s the Manufacturer’s fault- Somehow this is a more acceptable reply than just uninstalling some bloatware.

If you find random people on the internet talking about pros and cons of an Operating System irritating, you have deeper problems to attend to.

jkrtn ,

Look at how mad you are on Microsoft’s behalf. So according to yourself, you have deep problems to attend to. Go get some help, then, good luck.

caustictrap ,

I think he perfectly described the lemmy linux community. Windows is not that bad like the people here says. It just takes some time after installation to uninstall the ms crap you dont want. Windows have the best compatibility with the software and hardware. It is a fact.

jkrtn ,

He’s pretending he doesn’t want to argue so that people will respond so that he can argue. I don’t give a damn what he uses.

The two of you are in linuxmemes unhappy about how Lemmy linux users are being unfair to Windows. Good luck with that, I guess?

You don’t need to pretend to want a genuine discussion “oh I do want to try Linux so much” to get an argument. Just be direct, plenty of people will oblige you. You’re doing fine, BTW, your position is clear, nobody responding to you about OSes will get anything they weren’t expecting.

trailblazer911 ,

So you have finally agreed that people at lemmy, esp. linux memes would compromise on logic and facts to glorify linux to any extent and talk trash on Windows. Although these Linux fanboys pretend Windows is objectively worse, when asked reasons start blaming windows issues which have easy fixes. Also, every single time I’ve had a problem with Linux, the replies are:

  1. You lack the technical expertise
  2. It’s the hardware manufacturers fault
  3. This problem is unique to you.

If Windows works for you, good for you. If Linux works for you, good for you. Both have pros and cons, do the risk vs benefit and cater to your personal needs. Instead of blindly shitting on Windows. Never seen Windows communities shitting on Linux, probably because they don’t keep the inferiority complex and don’t have the constant need to reinforce that Linux is superior all the time.

jkrtn ,

If you find random people on the internet talking about pros and cons of an Operating System irritating, you have deeper problems to attend to.

Go find some help.

trailblazer911 ,

People like you are so irritating

I never claimed anything is irritating. Just a curious mind finding it fun to intimidate fanboys and hoping to find if there’s any logic or fact backing up the fanboyism aspect. You seriously have got nothing in your hands to counter my evaluation of the Linux Memes community, that most of it is shitting on Windows for no reason, so you resort to suggesting me to get some help. The only help I ever needed from the Linux Community was to get my WiFi, HDR, Fan controller working- The answer was it’s the manufacturer’s fault, and no real solutions. So I found out the help myself- Windows. Now you need to stop finding people on the internet irritating, I guess?

jkrtn ,

You are so mad about this whole thing. Unhinged. All you want to do is argue and whine over and over and over. You’re still here trying to bait and provoke a response. Calm down and go get some help.

trailblazer911 ,

Hey why won’t you stop saying things like “You are irritating”, “You are so mad”, “You are whining” etc. (The same thing kids use when they’re losing an argument), and stick on the topic of Linuxmemes community shitting on Windows without sufficient logic? You don’t belong here kid. With your substandard level of argumentation, you belong in Instagram or Reddit. Bring out a valid argument like an adult, or Goodbye. Get help. Get help. Get help. (Average Linuxmemes enjoyers’ response when they can’t bring in facts to maintain credibility in a discussion. Lol & Pathetic). “Get help. Linux good. Windows bad. You are sooooo irritating.” Ewwww. Bye kid. Got important things to do in life.

Honytawk ,

Name one good reason then.

All these things are mild annoyances at best that can be disabled in a couple of clicks. At least, if you are technologically inclined. Which I hope you people are

If it was something like needing an emulator just to run most software at lower framerates, or having no support for certain hardware, it would be a good reason.

jkrtn ,

Go argue with people who care about changing your opinion.

RecluseRamble ,

AI can be disabled or removed from the installation file. Bloatware can be uninstalled manually/Winget/Chris Titus Tech Tools etc

Ah, great. So we reached an era where a proper installation is more work with Windows than Linux. Don’t have to disable/uninstall anything on the latter (except maybe some shitty distros).

trailblazer911 ,

Yes it has reached that stage. But yeah I sat for days to get my fan controller and HDR to work with Zorin OS and Ubuntu before giving up (Surely the manufacturer’s fault). But yeah debloating Windows takes less than 5 minutes with tools like Chris Titus Tech.

batmaniam ,

… I had never thought about it this way. You’re totally correct though. I spend way more time fighting with my windows machine than I do my linux these days. I also just have a lot less patience fighting it because it’s always due to some dumb shit it didn’t need to be doing in the first place.

melooone ,

Tracking can be disabled

Tracking is one of the main reasons I switched to Linux. You simply can’t know if Microsoft is tracking you, even if you turn off all of the settings. That is because it’s closed source.

Bloatware can be uninstalled manually/Winget/Chris Titus Tech Tools etc

Apart from this beeing exclusive to advanced users, in my experience, after updates or at least a reinstall you would have to do it again. And that was just getting on my nerves.

I never get Ads on Windows

That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen for anyone else.

Look, maybe Linux is just not for you I get that. You’ve come accustomed to Windows and are happy with how it works for you. But for some people it might be a good choice. To give an example from my own life:

I recently installed Debian 12 KDE (looks like windows) on my step dads laptop. He is not technically inclined at all mind you. And apart from setting up auto mounting his ssd, I never had to give him tech support again after that and he is very happy with it.

ARk ,

Go ahead try it. It’s easy to try and ere’s a bunch of selections to choose from. Go smack it into an old laptop or something.

Just expect to know how to fix things yourself with the help of the internet and a lot of games will probably still have issues on Linux.

ARk ,

mmmm yeah.

Say that after having to scour the internet to fix issues no one encountered before because the game doesn’t have Linux support. Not everyone has a offstream mentality of only enjoying obscure games dude.

moomoomoo309 ,
@moomoomoo309@programming.dev avatar

protondb.com

Check the list, bud. It’s far from just obscura.

ARk ,

Yeah I know that. But it still comes with crippling performance issues besides the compatibility issues. Not all of us have beefy systems to counterbalance that on Proton. Take a look into some of the newer releases on PC. I’m not waiting more years for games I’ve already been waiting years to get released.

moomoomoo309 ,
@moomoomoo309@programming.dev avatar

Crippling is a bit extreme - have you used Proton recently?

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Actually, Linux + Proton has been found to increase performance on several games than when run natively on Windows, for example Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2, etc.
Sure, there’s room for improvement, however Linux is improving every single day exponentially.

RecluseRamble ,

OK. Enjoy your not at all obscure lootbox grift crap then. Virtually everything not running on Linux nowadays falls into that category.

ARk ,

I will and have been, Windows be damned. Been having a blast playing newer and great games on PC with little issues.

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

That’s what I’m doing nowadays.
Except for Sniper Elite (version 1), which I paid for on Steam, because I felt like I owed something.
Thinking about it now, I should have bought the GoG version.

possiblylinux127 ,

Me casually playing all Foss games

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

cdda goes brrr

bladerunnerspider ,

All of the games I’ve wanted to play work with Proton through Steam.

AceFuzzLord ,

Proton is such a big win for Linux, alongside the Steam Deck and SteamOS

lengau ,

Yeah, the quality of Proton has in a way made it harder for me to decide whether to get a game or not. Previously it was no tux no bucks, but now I find myself researching whether a publisher has a history of doing shitty stuff about Linux. Turns out quite a few publishers who would never otherwise have made a Linux port have made a decent effort to keep proton compatibility with updates.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

plus i get to avoid most kernel-level anticheat!

lengau ,

I just hope immutable desktops become common before we get “In order to play this game, you must install the ea-anticheat-dkms package…”

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

oh i bet they will end up finding a way to get spyware into our machines anyway, as is tradition

DrRatso ,

I will soon have to confront the brain tumor that I surely have, which makes me play League, as they are going to roll out Vanguard anticheat. I sorely wish there was an alternative with similar vibes, DotA is too sweaty for me and not as fun mechanically.

penquin ,

If you’re not supporting my OS then I’m not giving you my money. Plain and simple.

ARk ,

you really showed them

RecluseRamble ,

Actually, yeah, because selling copies is all they care about. And the fact that Epic decided to help get EAC running via Proton back in 2022 shows, that Valve’s endeavor does have impact.

ARk ,

Yeah bro, the 4% is reaaally worth it. Linux bros cope so hard. Just enjoy your tinkering instead of acting like you’re such a big deal not missing out

cows_are_underrated ,

In most of the cases playing game is as easy ad on windows.

Honytawk ,

On Steam, there is Linux support on about 10 000 of the 70 000 games. So it is definitely not most.

Custodian1623 ,

where did you get this stat? Do you mean “working” or “verified”? VERY FEW games in my steam library don’t work out of the box. I forget to check when I buy them, they work that consistently

cows_are_underrated ,

That’s a kinda bad statistic to use. Most games don’t get lots of attention. And since only a fraction of players use Linux even more games don’t get played by Linux players. Those who play also have to make reports on proton, and not everyone does that.

If you really want to know about Linux compatibility, search for the stats of the protondb database. Only 13% are below silver( they either have a bronze rating or are borked).

DmMacniel ,

Cite your sources.

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Given that the global desktop OS market is estimated to be around 1.23 billion users, 4.03% of the entire global market is approximately 49.3 million users and exponentially growing. And that’s excluding ChromeOS which accounts for another 2% and Unknown; which likely includes a significant number of Linux users; at 6%.
Linux jumped from 3% to 4% in just the last 8 months. Linux could potentially surpass the 5% market share milestone by the end of 2024 given the current trajectory of growth.

WldFyre ,

Even when Epic does something good it’s to Valve’s credit?? Come on now

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. Because Valve put in a lot of work and convinced EAC to add support and collaborated with them to get it added, only for Epic & Tim Weenie himself to immediately do something bad, spread FUD and other such crap.

WldFyre ,

Tim Weenie lmfao

Your middle school level insult totally means that you have a well reasoned point instead of fanboying for Valve. Don’t you have some loot boxes and gambling targeted towards children from Valve to go to?

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t you have some loot boxes and gambling targeted towards children from Valve to go to?

Nope, because I don’t play those games. Also, Epic literally does that 24/7 with fortnite and other such crap.

Your middle school level insult totally means that you have a well reasoned point instead of fanboying for Valve.

I’m not a fanboy for Valve, I don’t even play Valve’s games. I just recognize that when Tim Weenie fires 1000 employees and then goes “If only we had a few more programmers. It’s the Linux problem. …” that he’s talking out his fuckin ass.
I also recognize that Valve has been putting in a shit load of work into bettering the Linux ecosystem via Proton, The Steamdeck, enticing EAC & Battleye into agreeing to collaborate, among their countless contributions to various Linux related open source projects, such as dxvk, vkd3d, wine, the Linux kernel, etc. even if it’s a long term investment on their own part.
There’s a reason why it’s called proton_eac_runtime and not eac_proton_runtime.

You have to be incredibly out of touch or a blatant Epic games fanboy to disregard the facts like that.

WldFyre ,

Epic does something you like, it’s to Valve’s credit since Valve did it first. Valve does something you don’t like, it’s okay since Epic does it even though Valve did it first and popularized it.

At least your logic is as advanced as your insults.

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Epic does something you like, it’s to Valve’s credit since Valve did it first.

Not at all. EAC gets credit for collaborating with Valve, Valve gets credit for laying the entire ground work allowing for that collaboration to occur in the first place (Proton, Linux Kernel contributions, Steam Deck, and negotiating with EAC).

Valve does something you don’t like, it’s okay since Epic does it even though Valve did it first and popularized it.

Wrong, lootboxes are a scourge upon the entire gaming industry no matter who does it. Like I already fucking said I do not play games that have loot boxes in them, let alone any of Valve’s games.
Loot boxes is irrelevant to the conversation in the fucking first place, can you stop with the strawman already. The conversation is on Linux game compatibility support, not loot boxes, stop derailing the conversation.

At least your logic is as advanced as your insults. 🤓☝️

" Oh no someone insulted Big Daddy Tim Sweeney, I better defend him else my Epic bussy plug will slip out!! 😱🥺 "

WldFyre ,

Oh no someone insulted Big Daddy Tim Sweeney, I better defend him else my Epic bussy plug will slip out

Lolol are you 12?? Or just trolling? Thanks for the laughs either way

Rustmilian , (edited )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

I have no argument, so instead of making one Imma call you 12. 🤓☝️

I was leaning towards “out of touch” but now it’s become blatantly clear that you’re just an epic fanboy.

ARk ,

dude upvotes his own comments with his alt lmao what a loser. Not even worth talking to

penquin ,

That’s the attitude that’s gotten us here.

ARk ,

Gotten us where? You’d think that if they just wanted your money they’d do something else. The fact is your money is as small as the Linux desktop market share.

If you think the entire reason Proton was developed was because they’re so desperate for the Linux bros’ money then you need to get off your high horse man you’re in the gutter.

penquin ,

Your issue is that you’re individualistic, and that is why corporations are fucking people the way they are. It’s because of individualistic thinking like yours. Good luck in life.

ARk ,

“If you’re not supporting MY OS then I’m not giving you my money.”

Ok bro

penquin ,

I mean, if you consider Endeavour OS Linux “my OS”, and only mine, then OK, you win. Damn, that’s just basic English, “bro”. Nice try, though.

markus99 OP ,

This is the brain of a CUM-sumer.

ARk ,

haha I put cum in a sentence cue laugh track

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

haha I put cum in ^my butthole* cue laugh track 🤓☝️

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