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p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

…who actually says this, because it sounds like pretend anger to me

Abnorc ,

That’s a good recipe for popular posts anywhere on the internet. Anger gets the clicks.

pyre ,

i think it’s a joke about how much Linux users talk about Linux to people who don’t care but reversed.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

I might be taking it too literal.

Duamerthrax , (edited )

I’ve met enough Gamers™ at lan parties back in the day that I know this sort of unsolicited “advice” is realistic.

edit: People are acting like this isn’t realistic. I use to get comments like this because I was a Mac first gamer on my duel boot Mac Pro. Gamers are incredibility tribalistic. Just look at the “console wars” bs.

fafferlicious ,

I dunno. I’ll probably get hate for this, but it’s not ready. It’s better. But Linux isn’t a good replacement for Windows yet. I love Linux. Love the customization, the *NIX filesystem makes sense, and it’s beautiful. Also no ads in my start menu!

I want to use Linux regularly, and I tried last week. It failed. Kind of miserably.

I need to pick a distro. Mint and Pop_OS were consensus recommendations.

Try mint: Installing dual boot alongside windows was beautiful. But no internet connection, says cable is unplugged (it’s not). Realize I downloaded an earlier version (20). Get the most recent version, and problem resolved. It’s kind of odd to me that even a pretty recent version wouldn’t support my adapter, but whatever. I tried to update and install Nvidia drivers: update fails because dependencies were not installed. Okay… Why not prompt me to install them? Why make me apt-get all the dependencies by hand? I don’t expect handholding, but some things should be. If I NEED something as a pre-req for what I’m trying to do, queue it up!

Fuck it. Let me try Pop_OS, instead - that has some gaming chops, right? Dual boot was more challenging to stand up, but it all worked. Nice. Fire up game: get ~20 fps drop compared to windows (108 from 130) with the same settings. I don’t want to troubleshoot the performance hit. It should just work. I want a tool not a project.

Never mind if you want HDR support. That seems to vary by distro. Variable refresh rate also seemed to be spotty from what I read in gaming distro recommendations. ALSO, do you need UEFI support? RIP. Enjoy toggling that on and off when you have to jump back and forth between Windows and Linux. Nvidia driver support I chalk up to those arseholes only now starting to open source some things.

And I don’t care that you were able to run everything fine. You had a flawless experience: great. Love that for you. I didn’t. I’m not a computer novice - I know to Google shit and how to implement it. I remember trying to fuck around with Ubuntu back in 2002.

I’m gonna continue trying to stand up Linux for everyday use because I love Linux and I want to use it, but it’s pretty clear that even as someone that wants to use Linux. I’ve been trying to switch to Linux every few years for decades. It’s still far short of being ready for average users.

TeryVeneno ,

This comment is tough because in its wrongness, it reveals a greater problem with Linux gaming. I think you’re right that it’s probably not ready outside of SteamOS. But it’s not correct to say it’s not ready in general. They are several distros that have all the latest features for modern gaming, the issue is you weren’t recommended even one of them. Pop_OS is currently outdated since they are working on their new desktop and mint is on the Ubuntu LTS version meaning they are both significantly behind. The community needs to take that into account when recommending things. That’s the reason I only recommend Bazzite. Cause it’s the closest to a SteamOS experience.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

I will check out Bazzite over the weekend. Someone told me about Pop OS but this seems less of a tinkering hassle

fafferlicious ,

I appreciate your comment! I’ll take a look at Bazzite. How does it do with everyday tasks? Any other distros you’d recommend?

If what I said was so wrong, I feel even more like there’s a fragmentation issue with Linux (or something). This is especially true if some of the most well known distros have issues with gaming. It only fuels my urge to make a table of features for each distro and then evaluate pros and cons of what distro has what. But distro choice shouldn’t matter outside of UI, pre-installed programs, and maybe package management.

I was just super bummed that I didn’t have one of the perfect experiences that I had seen so many people talking about lately.

TeryVeneno ,

Honestly Bazzite does great with pretty much everything I’ve had it do. Some things were difficult in the beginning (I’ve been on it since nearly the beginnimg), but these days everything just works. It’s really matured. I’d also like to make an honorable mention for VanillaOS which would be my second pick for general stuff and my number one for development and sysadmin.

Distro choice really shouldn’t matter but unfortunately not all systems are created equal. There’s tradeoffs to everything. What you get by having the latest features you sacrifice in compatibility with older hardware. The stability benefits you get from waiting update packages may cause you to miss out on needed performances improvements or bug fixes. Tradeoffs to everything. Immutable distros handle most of those problems fairly elegantly, but lose out somewhat when it comes to ease of package installation.

I hope in the future you get to have a perfect experience friend.

Technotica ,
@Technotica@lemmy.world avatar

Shouldn’t Arch be the recommended gaming distro? Not because any focus on gaming but because it is the distro SteeamOS is based on?

Katana314 ,

thanks, your objective experiences are wrong too

TeryVeneno ,

Wrong? Is this about me using the word wrongness? In retrospect it was poor word choice but I did not mean to offend. I just meant that the situation is more complicated than what OP may have initially thought. You know what this explains the downvotes.

c10l ,

Hey! Sorry you had these bad experiences.

My setup is on Debian testing and is documented on this blog post: blog.c10l.cc/09122023-debian-gaming

I don’t have an Nvidia card but other than that, this should give you a head start, including virtual surround on headphones if that’s your thing!

I promise it’s not a lot of work and I tried to make it all easy to follow (feedback welcome though!).

If you decide to give it a go, let me know how it went!

fafferlicious ,

Thanks, I’ll take a look!

dust_accelerator ,

Maybe, but as someone who spent a summer school breaks worth of time in 2002 getting drivers for a Nvidia GeForce 2 card to run under Mandrake (oh the kernel panics…) to play counter-strike 1.X on wine… It’s come a long fucking way.

I use Debian for everyday work and on my private machine nowadays and struggle with the shitty experience of windows when helping someone out now and then. Granted, I don’t have much time for games these days, and often fire up the PS for that, but I feel experience can vary as long as you know what you want and manage expectations.

Gloomy ,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

I play with Mods, unfortunately. It’s the one thing keeping me back atm.

zalgotext ,

You can mod things on Linux, it’s just slightly more of a pain because you have to usually manually place files in the right locations, since the mod managers are kinda hit or miss on Linux.

That being said, I was recently able to mod Minecraft and Valheim pretty extensively with mod managers (I forget which one for Minecraft, but I used r2modman for Valheim which worked great), and I got the Mass Effect: Legendary Edition mod manager working enough via wine that I could mod that too.

uid0gid0 ,

If you run the game under wine, you should be able to run the mods under the same wine prefix. For example I run Battletech on steam and also run the BTA 3062 mod package and it works fine.

twotonebax ,
@twotonebax@lemmy.world avatar

Made the switch this weekend :) From Win 11 to Mint 22. Haven’t run into any real issues really. I have the occasional screen tear on some videos in firefox though. Haven’t searched around enough yet to figure that out, but otherwise all good.

blindbunny ,

Sounds like you need to turn on hardware acceleration.

twotonebax ,
@twotonebax@lemmy.world avatar

Is that a per-app thing that can be done in Mint? Pretty much only get tearing in firefox when playing video, and I tried the ‘layers.acceleration.force-enabled true’ setting in about:config for firefox, but that didn’t really make a difference.

blindbunny ,

Shouldn’t have to go that far. support.mozilla.org/en-US/…/performance-settings?…

twotonebax ,
@twotonebax@lemmy.world avatar

Wow I feel stupid lol. That fixed it. Thank you :)

blindbunny ,

Don’t feel stupid you’re new to Linux. Welcome to freedom 😁🐧

zellian ,

Welcome to Linux. I run mint and had screen tearing issues as well. Turns out mint detected my monitor correctly, but it had the wrong refresh rate. Once I set that to the correct refresh rate, my screen tearing was fixed. So I suggest checking that.

twotonebax ,
@twotonebax@lemmy.world avatar

I’m thinking its either nvidia on linux being nvidia on linux, or it not liking mixed resolutions and refresh rates. But really the only noticeable tearing I get is in firefox when playing video like youtube or something.

upandatom ,

I also had screen tearing issues immediately on startup into the mint installer. Had to run the installer in safe mode to get mint going. Once mint was fully installed and rebooted to my desktop for the first time, had the same screen issues as I did with the installer not in safe mode. So mint only worked during install and only in safe mode.

Maybe our issues are similar (I’m Nvidia 1080 card), but I was never able to fix mine.

helios ,
@helios@social.ggbox.fr avatar

There are still good options for mainstream competitive gaming. CSGO, Rocket League, Apex Legends to name a few.

I’m missing PUBG though.

Mouette ,

I found Squad as a good alternative to PUBG for slow military gameplay even tho it’s not really same concept

bluewing ,

FreeDoom and KPatience forever!

TheLastOfHisName ,

Love me some FreeDoom.

bluewing ,

And you can run it on a used postage stamp! (Something, something Arch)

I remember playing Doom under DOS and being mesmerized by the game. And I still am to this very day. I morn the day I discovered my original Doom .WADs went missing.

Curiousfur ,

I’m just waiting for better VR support (formerly WMR, now Quest 3), and my system (Thinkpad T15G) is Intel/Nvidia, occasionally with an Nvidia eGPU, and I’ve heard good support for that just isn’t ready yet. Linux would be great if I had a budget to build something entirely optimized for Linux, but right now it’s just not right for my system and budget.

I plan on trying it out again soon, but I just don’t have time for a new learning curve right now, even if I’m fairly tech savvy.

KaninchenSpeed ,

You should take a look at alvr

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

VR though :(

dillekant ,

I don’t know if Linux Gaming would exist if it wasn’t for OpenGL and Carmack using it for Quake.

Unfortunately we are in the Glide era of VR. OpenXR exists, but someone needs to create a killer app which uses it.

LordKitsuna ,

Works on plasma Wayland. At least for the index with steamvr

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Any issues setting it up? I keep reading horror stories

KaninchenSpeed ,

The Quest 2 works with alvr on plasma wayland too.

RogueSensei ,
@RogueSensei@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t play league on linux

Actually a good thing

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Well it’s not wrong.

I switched over my steam and epic games to my Linux install and there’s plenty of games I can’t play because of the anti-cheat or other issues. Can’t install my EA games at all.

Still made the switch and hoping things will catch up as time goes on.

Karyoplasma ,

The only EA game that is worth playing is C&C Generals anyway.

flerp ,

You’re the person in the meme

Karyoplasma ,

Yes. How did you figure that out?

somenonewho ,

I’ve been gaming on Linux exclusively since 2016.

DXVK was an amazing improvement. Steam play makes everything so much easier. And the Steamdeck was a revelation.

I don’t like to play games with other people anyways so Anti-Cheat is no issue for me.

FinalRemix ,

Anticheat is just a sign that the devs are insecure about their game.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Anti-cheat is just a sign that this game is designed to be ruined for you by other players.

Soggy ,

That’s one of the weirder ways I’ve seen to say “I don’t enjoy competitive games and everyone who does is stupid.”

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

If that’s how you prefer to think of it I’ll let you have it.

I am legitimately not interested in playing PvP games against strangers on the internet because inevitably someone somewhere will have taken the game way too fucking seriously and is basically just griefing people. They use aim bots when they can get away with it. A game that comes with anti-cheat is basically an admission that this game has that glaring flaw and that someone somewhere is getting off on ruining pubs or casual for everyone else.

MasterNerd , (edited )
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

To be fair there still is a lot of tinkering involved to get gaming on Linux working properly (unless you’re on the steamdeck, but even them you’ll have to tinker for anything that’s not verified). Switching proton runners, changing launch options, fighting updates. It’s definitely more than most people are willing to deal with. For me personally, I’ve had to stop updating my video drivers because Nvidia 555 causes all Proton games to crash for me.

I enjoy the experience of tinkering and troubleshooting, so I’m okay with all that, but I completely understand why most people wouldn’t want to use Linux for gaming.

Womble ,

I honestly cant remember the last time I bought a game and it didnt just work with no tinkering on proton. Though I am on AMD not Nvidia which makes things a lot easier.

PancakeBrock ,

Ive had a handfull of games that work on steam deck but had to tinker on my laptop. Cyberpunk would crash on the first splash screen and stormworks would only run on my igpu and not dedicated. But also im also using nvidia.

MasterNerd ,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

I guess this could also be based on the distro you use as well as your graphics card. For me, I use EndeavourOS, which is very close to base arch, so I had to do some extra setup to get proton working on it. For some reason, Proton refused to work on the Arch repo’s Steam package, so I had to use the flatpak version instead

noobdoomguy8658 ,
@noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org avatar

Pure Arch here, no issues with Proton whatsoever.

Any chance this could have been related to EndeavourOS in any way? Like with something pre-installed?

I’m just being curious and throwing ideas here.

MasterNerd ,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

The only thing really preinstalled is basic stuff like desktop environments and a few tools to help with updates and manage the system (eos-update, etc). Even almost all the package repositories are the ones maintained by arch.

CubitOom ,

I’m on EndeavourOS with an Nvidia gpu. I’ve not had to do anything extra for the the version of proton that comes with steam to work besides install the os with the Nvidia proprietary drivers. And then running eos-update --aur --nvidia

I did notice that I got a lot of screen tearing if using Wayland and that more recent versions of proton didn’t work if either Force Composition Pipeline or Force Full Composition Pipeline were enabled; which should have fixed the screentearing so I just use x11 for now.

There are some things I did to make my experience better however. Like installing an proton-ge. Here is a list of what I installed.


<span style="color:#323232;">nvidia-dkms
</span><span style="color:#323232;">nvidia-settings
</span><span style="color:#323232;">libva-nvidia-driver </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;"># required by vlc to play mkv files with nvidia gpu
</span><span style="color:#323232;">nvidia-tweaks </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;"># https://github.com/ventureoo/nvidia-tweaks
</span><span style="color:#323232;">lib32-nvidia-utils
</span><span style="color:#323232;">gamemode
</span><span style="color:#323232;">proton-ge-custom-bin
</span><span style="color:#323232;">lib32-libudev0-shim </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;"># fixes Steam runtime's super old 32 bit version of libnm
</span><span style="color:#323232;">lib32-libnm </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;"># required if using systemd 253.5-2 or newer
</span>

I would also install nvidia-dracut-hook if you are using both Nvidia and dracut. Dracut is the default on recent versions on endeavorOS.

For proton ge, I also added myself to the games group with


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo usermod $USER -a -G games
</span>

I also like to prepend the following to my games launch options in steam


<span style="color:#323232;">gamemoderun PROTON_CONFIG=dxr11,dxr PROTON_ENABLE_NVAPI=1 PROTON_HIDE_NVIDIA_GPU=0 VK_ICD_FILENAMES=/usr/share/vulkan/icd.d/nvidia_icd.json VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr11,dxr VKD3D_DISABLE_EXTENSIONS=VK_KHR_present_id,VK_KHR_present_wait VKD3D_FEATURE_LEVEL=12_1 VKD3D_SHADER_MODEL=6_6
</span>

And I set proton-ge as my default proton version on the steam options.

OR3X ,

I’m on Nvidia and have had the same experience as you. Everything just works.

noobdoomguy8658 ,
@noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org avatar

Mostly that for me on Nvidia (proprietary drivers), although 555 broke my 2nd DVI-D monitor (which is admittedly old, but I don’t have any reasons to replace the little guy).

Nevertheless, I’m very set on getting an AMD GPU whenever I have to replace my GTX 1080 from 2017.

OR3X ,

I’m unfortunately stuck with Nvidia for the time-being because I need NVENC.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

What does NVENC do that VAAPI doesn’t?

OR3X ,

Speed. Unfortunately (at least the last time I looked into it) NVENC still beats the socks off of VAAPI in render times and I’m sure Nvidia likes it that way.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

Isn’t that only on NVIDIA cards?

Moghul ,

Yup. I know exactly what you mean. I bought Nobody Wants to Die, which is rated platinum on protondb, and it just crashes within 1 second of startup for me. 3h of fucking around with proton versions, launch arguments, even tried lutris, nothing. The only error I could see took me to a stackoverflow thread about vga to dvi adapter issues and the fix was not relevant. My protontricks is apparently also broken which I have no idea why or when it broke.

I got it refunded, it is what it is. I’ll look into fixing my protontricks when I have more time…

laurelraven ,

Funnily enough, I’ve had almost this exact same thing happen… On Windows. More than once. Spending days getting it to run hardly at all and weeks trying to figure out how to make it run well. On modern hardware, with both old and new games alike.

I’ve not had that much trouble yet with Linux gaming, with only a few exceptions where I needed to tweak a couple things stuff has pretty much just worked.

Moghul ,

I’ve never rarely ever had that except one or two games in the last 15 years…

my_hat_stinks ,

I’m on Mint with a nvidia card, I haven’t really had to do any tweaks since I stopped trying to install games on an NTFS-formatted drive and nearly every game works perfectly out of the box. There’s a lot of very loud voices complaining about nvidia/tinkering but it’s definitely not universal; you won’t necessarily need to put in a lot of effort to get games to work on Linux.

Mwa ,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

agree

frezik ,

On my Ubuntu system, I installed Steam. That was it, the things I want mostly work.

Gerudo ,

I made the same statement you did a while ago about having to tweak stuff to get it to work. I just don’t have the time and patience to do it, and I got voted down for saying Linux isn’t for me. I work tech, the last thing I want to do when I get home is mess with more settings and drivers etc.

The Linux and steamdeck forums EVERYWHERE constantly make apologies and excuses for having to tweak things to get gaming to work.

I just want Linux to be an out of the box great gaming experience, and I would sing to the rafters it’s praise. It just isn’t, and unless developers make their stuff work for 3-5% of an install base, I just don’t see it happening. I want it to, I really do, but it’s just not for the masses.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Linux isn’t for the masses because it was never meant to be and still isn’t made to be. You have to install it rather then it being installed by default and most Linux software targets power users who were disappointed by Windows.

Angry_Autist ,

No

coffee_with_cream ,

Bazzite is awesome 😎

Unreliable ,

Seconded.

lavafroth ,

Great! I tend to avoid DRM’d games by buying from GOG. Don’t use their launcher, lutris tends to have auto install scripts for games.

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