Downgrading might fix it but it can also create dependency issues for other packages, you could try it but I would recommend you first try flatpak version of steam. Don’t know if it will work but it’s better to try that one before downgrading a package.
Do you think valve hasn’t been investing a crazy amount in Linux gaming? Has any other person or company done more to make gaming better on the platform?
It’s not a competition. What the Wine project achieved in 30 years isn’t an argument against the achievements of Proton which has only been around for 5 years.
It’s impossible to deny the investment of Steam into making gaming on Linux work better.
Edit: I didn’t see your ninja edit. I get it: Steam is bad so all the effort they put into enabling gaming on Linux is bad as well…
I was asked if I think valve is Investing crazy amount of money.I don’t. They have a lot of financial interest in seeing Linux succeed. Their investment seems appropriate.
I’ve been asked if somebody had more impact on Linux gaming. Wine is the answer and is undeniable.
I never said that also. Just stating that valve did one thing good for Linux gamers and 1000 bad ones. Wine did only good.
What are 5 of the 1000 bad things Valve has specifically done for Linux gamers? 5 things that are on par with the (apparently) “one” good thing Valve did for Linux gamers, which is (I guess) create a gaming distro and distro-independent open-source compatibility layer that enables phenomenal performance, sometimes even better than running linux native code? A compatible layer co-developed by CodeWeavers, known for being one of, if not THE biggest contributor to Wine and the primary maintainer of the Wine project?
of course i do im just not going to sit here and pretend that Steam hasn’t done a tremendous amount to make that accessible and easier. None of this is a dig on Wine I used it for years. idk why you’re coming off so aggressive about wine you need to chill
Isn’t there a command you enter in the terminal or a steam launch option to force the steam survey to appear? I got it a few months a go but before that it was years back.
I think it’s part of their style. A considerable portion of Apple owners use Apple products for the social look. I have heard many people say they like Apple because it’s the fancy luxurious phone/computer which makes the owner/user seem more fancy and cool. The blue bubble is a social indicator to them. Computer games are for nerds. I don’t agree with any of that, but I have known people that do.
Eh, I’ve known plenty of artsy people who use macOS who also play games, but they tend to play more casually. You don’t buy a Mac to play games, but that doesn’t mean they don’t like to play games.
This means something that has been true since before OS X was invented (circa 1990-ish) that hasn’t changed. Wanna game on the puter? Mac ain’t it. Mac never been it. Apple actually provides hardware that is gaming able. They don’t want to cater to gamers. They could do this easily and sell so many heavy duty desktop towers now. Why won’t they? They’d have to UN-propriatary themselves.
This means something that has been true since before OS X was invented (circa 1990-ish) that hasn’t changed.
No, it doesn’t. Linux was always behind OSX on this survey. It only changed very recently, and because these survey results fluctuate from month to month, it wasn’t clear that it would remain this way.
wow. that’s what i’d call weird computer science. like, we could take that 80’s song and get all blinded by computer science. thanks for that. I always thought linux would be ahead. about time the evil was overcome. it’s been a huge war. we users of linux have had to suffer. we might not have had to bleed to death, but we didn’t spend a premium on a mac and just let everything work, except our games.
Despite having so many game offerings over the years, it REALLY feels like Apple has still spent 30+ years shitting on games and gamers. They want games and gamers to conform to THEIR rules instead of them catering to games and gamers.
I have a $4000 Mac with top-of-the-line hardware that requires that I use emulators or virtualization if I want to play games. I have a bunch of legit “macOS-native” games on Steam that I cannot play because they are 32-bit. OpenGL was also scrapped, and with it any chance of several games that could have been updated to 64-bit. Apple will tell you that those are old and depreciated technologies. Well, guess what, it doesn’t fucking matter.
Meanwhile Microsoft and Linux developers have spent the same 30 years catering to games and gamers, trying to ensure everything under the sun keeps working, regardless of how old it is.
Pretty much any Win32 app from the past 30 years still works on Windows, and Steam on Linux has made it dead-simple to load many Windows games as easily as if they were Linux games.
I’m glad Linux surpassed macOS. I hope it keeps growing. It will be better for everyone when it catches up to Windows, as well.
@BitingChaos@petsoi this is why valve or some other true Linux laptop need to come in the game. Steam deck proves that Linux can be fun and useful. It’s hard finding a gaming laptop that can be used for all day work like school or whatever.
Completely agree with you on all of this, but I do think Apple are making moves to change this by working with developers on the Metal API. However that’s only forward facing rather than looking at “legacy” support for games. My problem is their focus on mobile first gaming rather than any of their other hardware.
As much as I like Apple products, I’m please Linux is finding its place in gaming. Something had to start giving Microsoft some competition somewhere.
I don’t think forcing already over-worked game developers into supporting yet another rendering API is going to win them any bonus points though. Apple’s insistence on Metal is very strange and a total reinvention of the wheel on both sides.
A assuming you mean Vulkan, but did you know Metal is older than Vulkan by 2 years? It’s hardly a reinvention of the wheel from Apple here. Plus it allows them to give complete low level support of their own silicon and hardware that you’re likely to not yet with other APIs. A lot of developers also use MolktonVK to get around that support.
did you know Metal is older than Vulkan by 2 years?
Did you know that Vulkan started out as Mantle which predated Metal by half a year? Anyways, the time of release doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether its a graphics standard. Instead of adopting standards and creating a better developer experience for everybody, Apple chooses to go their own way…again. That’s the reinvention I am referring to and it causes a trickle down effect that affects everybody else. It’s extra work on Apple developers and game devs alike.
Plus it allows them to give complete low level support of their own silicon and hardware that you’re likely to not yet with other APIs.
No reason why they can’t be done via Vulkan extensions IMHO. Also, I am okay with them having Metal for such purposes…as long as they also support Vulkan and other standards. The problem is that they don’t.
A lot of developers also use MolktonVK to get around that support.
MoltenVK is just another example of the extra work that everybody else has to do to support Apple’s platform.
With specific regard to OpenGL, GL 4.1 is still supported on the latest version of macOS afaik. It was asinine that they deprecated it, but I’m not aware of any reason it would preclude a 64-bit port of a game that previously worked in x86 mode.
It’s gonna be funny if people start dual-booting Linux on Mac in the future because they get better game support with the reverse engineered Linux GPU drivers.
They want games and gamers to conform to THEIR rules
But they do it in literally everything. Keyboard layout, window management, graphic api, hardware, peripherals, browser api on ios, and the list goes on. Dont get me wrong, I totally hate apple for this, but if in 2023 you expect something different from them, I think it is on you
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