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ImFresh3x , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve

Xbox fans will say this is good.

Buffalox ,

But they would be wrong. More monopoly is never good.

Powerpoint ,

I’m an Xbox fan but I’m first a Linux fan and PC gaming fan. This is bad. Valve needs to stay private.

rip_art_bell , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve
@rip_art_bell@lemmy.world avatar

People would riot. GOG would have a massive influx of traffic.

boo OP ,
@boo@lemmy.one avatar

Not likely, GOG barely has any reach

mammut ,

I agree. I’m surprised people are convinced that everyone would just leave a service they’ve been using for years once it starts to suck.

First of all, all your purchased games will only work on Steam, so you’re probably not going to just abandon it and give up access to all your previous purchases. And then you’re going to think to yourself, “Well, since I have to keep using Steam anyway, and since all my friends are here, I guess I’ll just keep buying games here anyway.”

Second of all, people, historically, just continue to use large services even when they go to shit / evidence that they’ve gone to shit comes to light. Hell, even when substantially better services show up, people don’t just suddenly switch.

bgtlover ,

@mammut @boo agreed, and that's what they rely on, though valve isn't by far the worst offender here

auraness ,

The irony of saying that on Lemmy.

BlemboTheThird ,

reddit is still wildly popular. lemmy’s user numbers have been dropping over the last 2 months. it’s way more active than it was before june but if anything the lemmy/reddit masto/twitter dynamic is emblematic of how things would go

Draedron ,

Which isnt nearly as popular as reddit and has decrrasing user numbers. I don’t see the irony, more that lemmy is proving the point

mammut ,

Lol. I left Reddit for Lemmy, and I continue to use Lemmy. I am very much the exception and not the norm, though.

I will be very, very surprised if Lemmy ends up growing more popular than Reddit at any time in the near future. As others have pointed out, Lemmy’s popularity has been decreasing and Reddit’s popularity has not substantially decreased. There’s still way more people and content on Reddit than there is on Lemmy, and I don’t think there’s any evidence there was any real mass exodus. Some people left, but it was basically a rounding error in the grand scheme of things. I would expect the same even if Microsoft, Tencent, Activision, or pretty much anyone else were to buy Steam. People may get irritated, and some people may even leave and never come back, but most people generally want to just continue using the services they’re used to.

DAMunzy , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve

I love Steam (have 2000 or so games on it) but I realize it is only a matter of time before it gets enshittified.

betsysoul ,

Maybe, but it’s still a private company.

TwilightVulpine , (edited )

Yeah, there is some hope for as long as Valve isn’t publicly traded. It’s investors that push companies to care only for short term gains.

Valve is not saintly, they have their own sketchy aspects like how they profit over that cosmetics trading market, but releasing the Steam Deck shows they are still thinking of the long term future of PC gaming.

turbowafflz ,

I think valve will be okay as long as they have Gabe Newell, since it seems like he really does care about things like linux support. I’m worried what will happen if he ever leaves though

BlemboTheThird ,

the man is 60 and morbidly obese. even if he never leaves there’s every chance he’ll have sudden health problems. at least he’d have the money for good medical treatment

mammut ,

That doesn’t guarantee much of anything, though, and private companies still have investors that can influence the direction of the company. E.g., a lot of people are wary of Tencent’s influence over Epic or Reddit even though both are private.

variaatio , (edited )

Well the thing is … yes Valve has shareholding investors… Only one that matter as far as anyone knows is Gabe Newell. Given it’s private corp, they don’t have to publicly tell what his exact ownership is and I think it is known it isn’t anymore 100% unlike at some point. However all “as far as we know” indications are, Gabe Newell maintains 50%+ controlling shareholding. Rest of the shareholders as people understand are employees and ex employees, who got private shares as part of compensation packages.

We don’t have actual look at the books, but Valve people have on multiple occasion said “Valve doesn’t have external investors”. Given it was public official comments by official people, I would think they wouldn’t lie about it. So there is no external VCs or share external investor investors.

Gabe pretty much has probably pretty universal control only limited by business regulation and maybe whatever clauses the corporate charter has. However since he was at one point sole owner, I doubt it contains anything too much curtailing him. Since the way any other people have gotten shares is by Gabe agreeing to give them or sell them to people in the first place.

As far as I understand at no point has Valve been cash strapped such as to need to ask for external investors. Since it is company founded by two early ex-Microsoft people who had made decently money at Microsoft already before Founding Valve. Gabe ended as sole owner as the other founding owner decided to leave the business and Gabe bought him out.

mammut ,

One person being the majority shareholder doesn’t stop people from worrying, though. Epic is majority owned by its founder like Valve is, but everybody still points to the minority investors and says, “What about their influence?”

In any case, my point is more that just being private isn’t some kinda of magic bullet to forever avoiding outside influence. It’s possible that, eventually, the other 49% not controlled by Gabe have sold out to Tencent and they’re in the same position as a lot of other companies with outside investors holding just under the majority.

betsysoul ,

That’s true, but Gabe still owns over half the stock, and I doubt he’s looking to sell.

Honestly I just assume Valve is Gabe’s hobby workdesk at this point.

omgitsaheadcrab , in My laptop's touchpad is emitting joystick events

It’s just happy you’re touching it

archy , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve

Is xBox not enough?

semperverus , in Wayland Color Management Protocol Posted For Weston
@semperverus@lemmy.world avatar

This is absolutely huge.

reonu , in Wayland Color Management Protocol Posted For Weston

This also means 10 bit color support right?

pyromaniac_donkey OP ,

Its part of what they are working on

reonu ,

Neat

simple , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)

Nobara Linux. It’s a fedora derivative that’s focused for gaming, with regular updates. It even comes with all the important things like Steam and Feral Gamemode installed. Make sure to download the Nvidia version if you have an Nvidia GPU.

H2207 , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)
@H2207@lemmy.world avatar

Nobara is pretty good for a “just works” gaming-centric distro. The issue that you’re coming across is plain and simple, PopOS is severly outdated. Most of System76’s dev team are likely working on COSMIC.

If you want the absolute most, contiuously up-to-date packages, then I can’t recommend anything other than Arch. I’ve used it as my daily driver for a little over 2 years now and I’ve always come crawling back if I try something else. Gaming on it isn’t a hassle, most of the time it just works, not to be a stereotypical Arch user but do read the Wiki. Arch was also my first ever distro, a friend got me into it.

If Arch is a bit dawnting for you then something Arch-based is just as good, from experience I recommend EndeavourOS. Do not use Manjaro.

fraydabson ,

The more I read the more I think I should switch from Linux mint to arch. Never tried it before.

My server is running Ubuntu but I want to switch to NixOS. So switching Linux mint to arch sounds right.

KidDogDad ,

On my gaming rig I run and love Garuda, which is also based on Arch. I’m technical enough to handle Arch but I don’t like having to search around a bunch to figure out which combination of packages I need to make certain things work. Garuda comes with a ton of stuff preinstalled, which makes it a lot less lean than Endeavour, but I think they generally make good choices for default settings (I love their Fish terminal setup), and things like Nvidia drivers and configuration backups through btrfs snapshots just work out of the box.

For gaming I think Garuda or Nobara are the best bets, personally.

nottheengineer ,

I second the “Do not use manjaro”. It has incredibly many issues that arch doesn’t have and the only advantage is that it comes with an installer.

Arch with nvidia is a bit of a pain though. The nvidia driver updates break my system or some games every 1-2 months.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Also the new Arch install script is very easy and reduces the need for Manjaro, even for new users.

nottheengineer ,

I disagree, it just does the steps in the manual for you. You still need to know what’s happening.

I tried using it, got a bunch of python stack traces and eventually decided to do it manually. The reason why it failed was that windows put my EFI partition onto a different drive than itself.

An installer needs to catch stuff like that, so archinstall is beta at best.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I don’t think a Linux installer should need to worry about Windows, frankly.

vividspecter ,

On the one hand, you’re right. But on the other, the fuck is Windows even doing here:

The reason why it failed was that windows put my EFI partition onto a different drive than itself.

nottheengineer ,

It’s windows. It always does absolutely asinine shit like this. It’s only getting worse as time goes on, so the earlier you switch to a proper OS, the better.

KSPAtlas ,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

I would still not recommend arch to new users or people who want a stable system

Zenzio , (edited )

Tell me if I'm wrong or that's not what you meant. But your Nvidia problem should go away as soon as you use nvidia-dkms (or nvidia-open-dkms) instead of the regular nvidia package (or nvidia-open). I haven't had any problems (of that kind) in a long time.

DrRatso ,

I did my personal yearly “year of the linux distro” litmus test with Nobara and I had many problems tbh, two of the most notable ones were fullscreen video stuttering and shader cache stutters.

So I was like, we are getting close, but I am not sold.

Then I decided to try arch and shit just works tbh, basically no issues with stuff I play usually, the biggest struggle was getting Battle.net up and all it took was changing proton version on steam to get it installing.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

I use Manjaro, and can confirm.

Do not use Manjaro.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Friends don’t let friends use Manjaro

kariboka ,

Garuda is great

ahoneybun ,
@ahoneybun@lemmy.world avatar

“severly outdated”? You mean updated kernel, mesa, NVIDIA and other important packages?

github.com/pop-os/linux/pull/282github.com/pop-os/nvidia-graphics-drivers/…/191github.com/pop-os/mesa/pull/18

Platform27 , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)

Games that just come out could be an issue regardless of distro. Sometimes Wine/Proton needs to fix a few things… no distro is going to help, in that regard. I suppose a more regularly updated distro COULD help with getting updates faster… but it’s usually nothing you cannot already solve with Pop. ProtonUp-QT is a great tool to help get you the latest Proton versions, including the Eggroll fork. It’s available as a Flatpak, so it’ll work on most modern distros (including Pop).

If you must switch to a more regularly updated distro, you have a couple of options. Nobara (based on Fedora) will give you a nice middle ground between your current setup and Arch. Speaking of which, Arch is a great distribution, with fantastic documentation. That being said, it IS NOT new user friendly. It WILL break, and you WILL need to look stuff up. You’re on the literal bleeding edge, of Linux. The Arch forums can also be quite toxic, in comparison to what’s available on both Pop/Ubuntu and Nobara/Fedora. If neither is appealing to you, consider OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s very up to date, but I often find it more stable than Arch.

odium , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)

I recommend Garuda. It’s an arch based distro with a focus on gaming. Arch is great for gaming and developing as it’s bleeding edge. Base arch is very minimal and needs a lot of packages to be installed and configured before you can game. Garuda has all of that installed and configured when you install the distro.

The only complain I hear people have about Garuda is that they find it too bloated. But I find it easier to uninstall whatever you consider to be bloat, rather than install and configure all the gaming stuff you need. As a bonus, Garuda automatically sets up btrfs snapshots when you install it. So if you break something while uninstalling what you don’t want, you can just go to a previous snapshot.

DrRatso , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)

I can’t reccomend arch or arch based enough, it is not that hard, you will become somewhat adept in the terminal in the process. Arch wiki is very extensive and the community is huge, package management is a breeze.

angrymouse , in Loving PopOS but apparently I can't get the latest Nvidia driver? (Your regularly scheduled "What Distro should I use" thread)

SteamOS is based on arch linux, and I joke that when someone merge a pull request on github, Arch starts to build their package.

EndevourOS is basically arch linux for beginners, they have their own repositories but just for some tools, just cool stuff.

About Manjaro I would recommend to not use it, not because of the reasons’ ppl common raise, for me, it was actually good when I used it, but they try to be “stable” as PopOS in their default branch, so you will never get the latest stuff.

I don’t like Nobara because it is based on Fedora, a semi-rolling-release distro, so some packages don’t update regularly and wait until next release, they probably update everything related to graphics and games but I do not only play games on my machine, I never used Nobara tho.

Said that, I play a lot more than I should, and I use EndevourOS.

falsem ,

I joke that when someone merge a pull request on github, Arch starts to build their package.

This is ideal if you have sufficient automated testing in place.

please_lemmy_out ,

As someone that was on a straight Arch install for years I’ve come to appreciate Manjaro + their holding back of non-critical updates for a couple weeks for additional testing. Between that and sticking to LTS kernel versions I’ve run into way fewer issues (not that being on the bleeding edge for updates was that bad, but problems certainly came up occasionally).

MeanEYE , in Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

I would buy Valve as well, but that doesn’t change the fact they are not for sale.

BloodSlut , in GE-Proton8-16 Released

GloriousEggroll my beloved

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