For anyone interested in this awesome concept, but isn’t a Hyprland user, there’s a great flatpak app called Nyrna, which basically does the same thing.
Tl;Dr: Proton GE has extra game specific performance and compatibility patches that Proton doesn't target for whatever reason.
Too long but I typed it out so might as well post it anyway: This is how I understand it goes like—
Now, we know Proton: a Valve-maintained fork of the venerable Wine project with many many gaming and game specific patches, made for Steam.
Proton can be used outside of Steam, of course, but it isn't really designed to be, there be quirks. Plus, Valve maintains what goes into Proton, so if anyone really wants to play a certain Windows game that doesn't quite run well enough on Proton and put in the work needed to make the necessary changes, it's probably not getting added to Proton just yet (I frankly don't know how or whether Valve accepts PRs at all). And Wine does not really want game specific patches in the runtime. Wine wants to be as generally compatible as possible.
That's why most Proton variants exist. A certain Glorious Eggroll maintains this one, which has quite a few patches for games that aren't targeted by Proton either at all or well enough, as well as making sure it can run outside of Steam (there are other variants of the patches for vanilla Wine or for use in Lutris as well, I think?)
Glorious Eggroll is also behind a database called ULWGL that will get all the game launchers that use his proton (heroic, lutris, bottles…) to use the same game specific patches because at the moment they maintain them independently for the most part. The project seems to be taking off pretty quickly because it’s already formed an organization around it and recentered itself to even be Proton-GE independent if needed.
They do a decent job of piggy backing on Arch’s work, and loading quite a few things OOB for gaming. That being said, I don’t recommend them due to their instability and issues with the overall project (failing on cert renewals, their withholding of stable packages from Arch but allowing AUR access and causing breakage, poor release schedule, and cherry picking of newer packages for “shiny things” without the diligence to maintain their library compatibility, etc etc).
That being said, their theming and UI taste is actually really good. It was a much more robust project back in 2019 and 2020, but on the technical side they’re lacking severely despite having great taste from a theming standpoint. They’ve fallen pretty far in the court of public opinion.
hey, I see people talking a lot about the problems on Manjaro. What do you recommend as an alternative? I used EndeavourOS but an update broke my pc. I then tried debian but the games ran poorly and crashed, then I changed to Manjaro because I didn’t know any better.
To be honest, the default themes for many DE’s are actually pretty tasteful. Just vanilla Arch isn’t bad if you don’t mind running the pacman update command. I honestly recommend Nobara for people who want stability and point/click updates.
Endeavor is more like hobbyist UI purist, and not that well optimized. Arch is insanely optimized, as well as Nobara. I would recommend Ubuntu but, Snaps. Pop would be great if their major rebase was further along, so options are pretty limited. We’re in a weird transition right now as far as the major distros and overall performance metrics.
I'm currently running Nobara and personally cannot recommend it due to a lot of annoying issues. Can't even drag & drop shit out of the FF download window into Dolphin, even though that was working fine on any other distro I used before (including Manjaro, which was still the most stable distro I used).
That to me sounds like their wayland by default setup, which is really more about the wayland ecosystem and reliance on xwayland (although firefox is suppose to launch wayland native on Nobara with KDE).
I’m aware of a few quirks, but that sounds pretty specific. My experience with all DE’s right now has me pretty negative on Linux overall until we get fully migrated to wayland sessions with explicit sync working…and that’s a year off at least.
Wayland is generally a huge mess. At least I can disable Fsync now, which caused my screen to go black for brief moments, especially when playing. Lots of other game or app specific issues remain as well...
Manjaro ran without breaking for me for almost two years. EOS also nuked itself after a few months for me. I think Manjaro's reputation is worse than the actual distro because a lot of people circlejerked about their failed cert issue (which affected only the website) and the "scandal" about the laptop thingy some years ago.
I’ve not had problems but nothing is fool-proof and I have proved myself a fool in the past.
In all seriousness I followed the Manjaro - Endeavour - Arch pipeline and don’t see much value in the other flavors outside of a little handholding that can introduce problems of its own.
Thanks for the info! This is really useful to know and definitely puts me off a little. I would hope installing another OS would preserve the device features. I started to look into “Manjaro Gaming Edition.” It all looks to be from a few years ago and based on XFCE. However on the device’s website it mentions a Plasma desktop so I wonder if they did a special version for this. One can hope it’ll be a better kept version of the OS from what you said.
Manjaro Gaming Edition was a community thing and has been abandoned for 5 years now. All Manjaro editions are listed on their website: https://manjaro.org/download/
The certs were for their website, it had nothing to do with the OS. I used Manjaro for almost two years without any issues. Meanwhile, EndeavourOS broke completely after a few months due to an update and their toxic community just gaslighted & trolled me to the point where the admins closed & hid the thread (can't have people see that huh?) and suggested I create a new one if I still needed support.
It sucks you had an experience like that with the community. There are elitists and then just big jerks. What communities often fail at is a groupthink issue where they have a solution to a problem that’s extraneous to most people, but they accept it as “well duh, RTFM”.
Their project’s goal seems to be the adoption of use, broad use and in turn contribution. The problem is their attitudes toward problems that still need to be resolved, and the release management combined with stability is a common problem in much more than just Endeavor’s community. You see the issue in Pop!, Nobara, Arch, and even Ubuntu. You even see this BIGTIME in Gnome and to a lesser degree KDE.
A Gnome developer will tell you that you should just use it their way, and not expect basic shit to work, where at least KDE puts it for consideration on their own end to fix or develop.
What I’m getting at in short though is the prevailing attitude of elitism being shitty. That being said, there are people who fall into the “time vampire” group of people who will get pointed toward a solution, but not have the capacity to intuit other basic functions and it pisses people off. Nobody deserves to be treated poorly, but the fine line is out there where it’s up to a user to figure their stuff out. From what you describe, updates breaking the user experience falls solidly on their package maintainers fucking their release schedule in the ass, then having an elitist attitude about how to fix it. They’d just as well keep on trucking and treat people poorly for stuff that their own teams broke, to which I respond, fuck those asshole motherfuckers.
Are you sure you’re putting your saves in the right folder? I’ve moved my saves back and forth on many games and they work fine. Binding of Isaac has cloud saves on Steam.
When i installed Isaac on linux i didnt get any of my old gamefiles, do i somehow need to activate the Streamcloud? Also is there a another savegames folder on linux?
Yeah we all know Manjaro is ass but a 16:10 screen that’s 120hz is cool. I’d get one if it had adaptive sync. When I saw OrangePi I thought I’d be an ARM device using box86/64 to run Steam games, as inefficient as that sounds.
I have never been able to get VA working on Linux. I’ve learned to play without it – much as I’ve learned to play without eddb.io (RIP). There are some funky solutions involving VMs and passthrough that I’ve stumbled across before, but nothing that I’ve been willing to try worked well.
I found voice2json, though it looks like you’d have to do quite a bit of configuring.
Don’t bother with VoiceAttack. It relies on the microsoft speech recognition engine, which is an ancient POS voice to text engine. I fiddled with it at one point and I never got it to work well. It’s nowhere near accurate enough to be pleasant to use.
If you’re looking for an indie alternative, Roboquest seems like a good recent shooter for two players. It’s on both Steam and GOG. Gunfire Reborn also seems fun.
These aren’t indies, but there’s also Deep Rock Galactic, L4D2, and of course the original Helldivers.
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