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dowath , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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It's wild to me how native proton feels in so many games. Though, I'll still have a special place in my heart for Super Tux Kart, Warsow, Armagetron Advanced, 0 A.D. et al. Not to mention all the ports Feral Interactive has done over the years.

sab ,

I love 0 A.D. - it's fun, and looks incredible for being an open source game. Still seems a bit unfair that it now has to compete with Civilization.

mack123 , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way

Agreed, I installed Ubuntu 22.04 last week to play with stable diffusion. Decided to have a quick look at steam / proton and was blown away with how easily it works. Fallput 76, my primary online game installed and run with almost no hassle. I even managed to get a long time irritation with runaway frame rates fixed.

The only glitch that remains unsolved is a hang on exit. Which is a known issue.

Gabadabs , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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Valve really has contributed to Linux gaming so heavily. It felt insane playing through GTAV on my steam deck and it ran really well. I honestly don't think anyone expected it to ever get this good. I certainly didn't.

mihnt ,
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I've been waiting for such a long time for this. Late 90's I think? I've finally made the switch and it's great to not have to worry about the little annoyances that were always present.

bobbyllama , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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i got a steam deck a few months ago and am constantly amazed at how well it performs. in fact, assassin's creed 2 plays better on the deck than it does on my seven-year-old gaming rig

needless to say, once windows pulls the plug on 10 i'm fully converting to linux and not looking back

Max_P , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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10 years, that’s a long time ago! It’s mostly in the last 3-5 years that things started getting really good with Vulkan becoming a thing and DXVK being made. DXVK is really impressive how fast it got put together and how drastic the improvement is over wined3d.

andybug , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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Glad it worked out for you!

The improvements in the last 5 years or so have been dramatic. When I switched to Linux ~12 years ago I had to give up gaming. Now, we can get the best of both worlds.

dethb0y , in Gaming on Linux has come a long way

I only game on linux and regret nothing.

yamapikariya , (edited ) in Gaming on Linux has come a long way
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I was able to play a game that wouldn’t run well on my laptop after switching to Linux. It’s wild. Never going back

saucyloggins , in nVidia releases 535.54.03 driver

I’m not super sure what exactly causes the XWayland funkiness on Wayland with NVIDIA’s driver. The Phoronix article mentions “DMA-BUF v4 Wayland protocol support”

Is that possible this would help with that?

Shadywack OP ,
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This is the root cause for what you’re experiencing, and isn’t improved by any Wayland protocol support. It has entirely to do with the implicit sync stack that exists within Xwayland and nVidia’s lack of support for implicit sync entirely. nVidia proposed an explicit sync method in another merge request that was shot down by the X devs as they “don’t solve anything for the Mesa driver” by supporting explicit sync as a concept. Explicit sync is a concept that has less of a performance penalty, and other vendors support the notion of switching to it, but nVidia’s hostile relationship with the X developers and FOSS as a whole has caused roadblocks at present where the projects don’t wish to collaborate with nVidia’s proposals.

So to summarize, this is exclusively an Xwayland issue, nVidia and the developers have disagreed as to how to proceed, and neither side shows any signs of flinching. nVidia is hard nosed about implicit sync and refuses to implement it in their driver for various reasons, and the Xwayland devs are being hard nosed and absolutely refuse to accept nVidia’s merge requests for adding explicit sync support for reasons relating to what I can tell is basically “bad blood” between the groups. Even if the project accepts explicit sync, nVidia still has to add the feature to their release pipeline, which would put it past the 545 release some months down the road. Again, even if everyone agreed effective today, we still wouldn’t see resolution on this until early 2024 at the soonest. Xwayland will remain broken for nVidia users basically for all time, at the present rate of development. Our applications will all be ported to Wayland before this gets fixed.

Sorry for the soapbox moment, but, it has been incredibly frustrating to see this all play out.

saucyloggins ,

No, I’m grateful for the rant. It’s been driving me nuts and with the apps I need to use for work not supporting Wayland whatsoever it basically makes me stuck on X, which sucks because Wayland feels much better for me other than XWayland.

It’s a really bad issue for me, it makes XWayland completely unusable. Like, characters appear in different order as I’m typing. The cursor sometimes looks like it’s a character behind. It’s obnoxious that such a huge bug is stuck in politics.

Molecular0079 , in recommended gaming controller

DualSense works out of the box via USB-C or Bluetooth. Feels very responsive to me.

Shan , in Steam On Linux Use Steady For June, ~40% Of Linux Gamers Are Using The Steam Deck

Steamdeck has done such good things for Linux gaming, it’s like an overnight shift in development attitudes and I love it.

Voytrekk OP ,
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The Steam Deck may not have a ton of users, but enough that developers are willing to put in a little more effort to ensure compatibility.

gk99 ,

Maybe if Valve could work out shipping them to other regions officially we’d see more growth. I still see people lamenting that they can’t buy a Deck without going to some sketchy third-party and overpaying.

animist ,

Blame the laws of the countries where that happens. The legislatures there have been captured by their own corporations.

Molecular0079 ,

I really hope the momentum continues. Part of me is worried that the Asus ROG Ally is eating into that momentum.

Molecular0079 , in Gamingonlinux is introducing his presence on Mastodon in a relatively funny way.

You know a game has firmly cemented itself in your memory when you read this post and suddenly hear it in Breen’s voice and pacing.

TWeaK , in Steam On Linux Use Steady For June, ~40% Of Linux Gamers Are Using The Steam Deck

Not me, they sold out :(

chronicledmonocle ,

Huh?

TWeaK ,

Just because your region still has them doesn’t mean everyone else’s does. Way to rub it in.

i.imgur.com/LGv2O96.png

JineteDeAbuelas47 ,

I didnt know this was a thing, in my country they just pushed back expected delivery dates from 1-2 weeks to 2-4 weeks

TWeaK ,

I expect they have a set amount available for each region, and people have jumped on it in the UK.

Maybe they might bring it back at the end of the sale, but it’s probably best that I save my money hah.

jerkface ,
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Oohhhhhh, I though you meant you were boycotting Valve because they “sold out”.

TWeaK ,

Nahh lol I’m a bit gutted to have missed it. At the same time, I probably shouldn’t have bought one anyway!

CrypticCoffee , in Gamingonlinux is introducing his presence on Mastodon in a relatively funny way.

The joke has probably gone over my head, but great to see.

joe ,

If you haven’t played half life 2 you should stop what you’re doing right now and do that.

CrypticCoffee ,

Not a fan of AAA and don’t like FPS. Played 20 mins of Halo and it wasn’t for me.

Edit: wrong game, still point stands.

poVoq ,
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Halo is a totally different game though…

CrypticCoffee ,

You don’t get a gun and shoot people?

poVoq ,
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Mostly no. And anyways that’s the same as saying that all sports that include a roughly sphere shaped prop are the same.

Beardsley ,

Hey if yous got a problem with sports ball, yous got a problem with me.

CrypticCoffee ,

Your balls disappoint me.

Beardsley ,

Mom?

676 ,
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My brother. They are no where near the same game. I understand not liking first person but halo and half life are not comparable past first person.

There’s a reason Valve can’t make a third and it’s because 2 can’t be topped.

CrypticCoffee ,

My mistake. Still FPS? Still get gun, shoot folk?

poVoq ,
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Rarely. Most of the time you have some sci-fi anti-gravity contraption to throw objects at alien monsters.

HerzogVonWiesel ,

I mean if you want to simplify those two, lets go a step further: Its no different from the games you actually like to play: click, see flashy lights!

CrypticCoffee ,

RTS, survival or factory games are very different. I get that AAA went nuts on FPS and it made money, but it doesn’t mean it is all of gaming. Fortunately indie games companies are killing it right now.

676 ,
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Haha this must be a troll gotcha 😂

CrypticCoffee ,

No. You do realise there is lots of gaming genres? I understand it isn’t obvious if you have been gaming 10 years and only play AAA.

676 ,
@676@lemmy.ca avatar

Yep a troll. A rude one at that.

CrypticCoffee ,

Absolutely not. You call me a troll and then call me rude? Getting bashed for not knowing a FPS game then getting bashed for it is really something. Check my first post, it was positive despite not knowing the reference.

If you don’t expect there to be frustration when franchises like Bullfrog got swallowed and killed and folk don’t want to play the only types of genres being pushed?

Are we not free to like what we like?

Can we not have a different opinion…

Oh gosh, is this reddit again?

676 ,
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Ok troll, calm down or maybe follow your own words and go back to Reddit. Never did I bash you for not knowing the game, I bashed you for comparing it to halo and then subsequently saying all fps are the same.

We can have different opinions you’re the one attempting to attack me bud. All I am telling you is halo and half-life shouldn’t be compared past the fact that they are played in first person. Which is what I said in my first comment.

And yes you are fucking rude as shit assuming a bunch of bullshit. Condescending little troll baby

CrypticCoffee ,

A troll is someone that disagrees with you? You’ve been in echo chambers too long, buddy.

For people that don’t like FPS won’t see differences, those that love it, they all seem different… Can you not accept that people won’t like your favourite games? Not very tolerant, no?!

I didn’t attack you, I attacked the gaming industry and the the view that everyone should know FPS. You’re a little defensive.

Swearing and insulting me. If only you could look in the mirror. You’re the rudest person I’ve come across here yet. Congratulations.

676 ,
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Ok troll. Just don’t engage with me, condescending fragile little troll baby.

CrypticCoffee ,

Done with you. You’re clearly a prick and ironically a troll.

Being nice doesn’t cost you anything, child.

676 ,
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Haha again with the condescending comments.

LinyosT ,

Bro just go back to reddit. Do yourself a favour,

myersguy ,

if you have been gaming 10 years and only play AAA.

Half Life 2: A 2013 classic.

CrypticCoffee ,

We’re 2024 already?

The point was more about AAA only seem to be pushing FPS nowadays.

myersguy ,

We’re 2024 already?

So we are. That kind of makes the 10 year statement a little more silly, no?

Half Life 2 is just shy of being 20 years old.

Anyways, I enjoyed how old you made me feel with this comment 😅

CrypticCoffee ,

How am I supposed to know that if I don’t follow the genre? Someone said 2013, I trusted that information.

“I don’t follow FPS” “As if you didn’t know this FPS trivia”

People who like to shoot polygons repeatedly are a little tetchy.

myersguy ,

I understand you are in other arguments in this thread. This wasn’t meant to be one of them. I just got a kick out of you using “10 years”, “nowadays” etc for a game that is 20 years old.

It’s the same energy as these kinds of memes https://lemmy.simpl.website/pictrs/image/d0f255f3-c51e-473d-844d-34cb61dd58dd.jpeg

CrypticCoffee ,

Ha, fair point. Loved Ocarina of Time. Oh gosh. I’m old.

joe ,

To each their own! The story and design of HL2 still holds up for me, but at it’s core the mechanics are indeed FPS. If that’s a no-go, it’s unfortunate, but understandable.

absentthereaper ,
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Iunno, man. I am an old-school FPS head; but I’d never recommend a playthrough of HL2 to anyone who hadn’t before because it really just feels like a tech demo with bare connective tissue for story. HL1? Black Mesa? Yeah, sure; but not 2.

joe ,

Agree to disagree on HL2.

HL1/Black Mesa also excellent though.

messem10 ,

Its basically the intro to the original Half-Life game. If you haven’t I’d highly suggest playing the original or getting Black Mesa which is a remake of the original by a third-party company but with Valve’s blessing to do so.

CrypticCoffee ,

Not my cup of tea. Preferred RTS etc. Not really bothered other than GoldenEye, Quake 2 and a little timesplitters with friends. FPS doesn’t interest me.

Octorine ,

I hate FPS games. They’re probably my least favorite genre. I really enjoyed HL2.

Although, I was playing through the series to get ready for Alyx, so that may have colored my perception.

cyanarchy ,

My brother in Christ you are talking about games that came out over twenty years ago.

CrypticCoffee ,

Yes, and since then there has not been one FPS that has interested me, so why would I know the intricate details of them?

GreenCrush ,
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Must suck to be you I guess.

CrypticCoffee ,

Not at all. Shooting things with guns repeatedly is somewhat boring to me.

FrancisFeliz ,

You are a rare person, who does’nt like a hood FPS shooter?

doglips ,

This is the intro to Half-Life 2, but the original and Black Mesa are great games as well.

doglips ,

This is the intro to Half-Life 2, but the original and Black Mesa are great games as well.

Erikatharsis ,
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It's a parody of Dr. Breen's "Welcome to City 17" speech from the start of Half-Life 2. If you've never played Half-Life 2, then it's a very, very, very strong recommend from me.

Wiggles , in Part 4 of the Wine work for Wayland is now merged

Can someone explain what this means? I’m new to Linux gaming. Don’t really get what the difference is between wayland and x11. Will this improve performance in d4 on distros like fedora?

kjetil ,

Simply put, X11 is the bottom of the graphics stack, i.e. everything that makes Linux have more than just a command line has historically been built on top of X11

X11 is OLD. Like really old. And has a bunch of problem because of it (no variable refresh rate, no good multi monitor support, no proper fractional scaling , tearing, no security etc) It’s also very mature. Somehow developers have managed to build a decent user experience out of the old X11

The Wayland protocol was designed to overcome the shortcomings of X11 and replace it. Wayland is now at the cusp of being a fully functional complete replacement for X11. It already is for many (most?) use cases.

Many Applications that are not made for Wayland will still run in Wayland, but they run in a fake X11 server inside called Xwayland. But native Wayland is better (performance, security, features)

Wayland very good on AMD and Intel these days. Nvidia was unsupported, but last year nVidia made a business decision to support EGL(?) so with fresh drives work has begun in Gnome and KDE to support Nvidia in Wayland. I’m not sure how mature Nvidia on Wayland is yet

bgtlover ,

yeah, wayland is awesome, unless you really need global shortcuts decided by the application, or a tun of other accessibility features. Still though, as you said, for most cases, wayland is good, and even the a11y features are getting ironed out, ever so slowly.

ShittyKopper ,

Wayland very good on AMD and Intel these days. Nvidia was unsupported, but last year nVidia made a business decision to support EGL(?) so with fresh drives work has begun in Gnome and KDE to support Nvidia in Wayland. I’m not sure how mature Nvidia on Wayland is yet

Clarification: GBM is what Intel, AMD and the general “nice players” of the Linux graphics ecosystem decided, whereas EGLStreams was something NVidia came up with because it worked better with their proprietary drivers (AFAIK)

Gnome and KDE were fine going out of their way to support both, but smaller implementations such as wlroots (the thing behind sway and Hyprland and other non-Weston “window managers”) didn’t feel the tradeoff was worth it (in both philosophical and manpower reasons) and stuck to GBM.

NVidia comparatively recently “caved in” and got GBM support working (alongside kernel mode setting & other terms you don’t really need to know about), and being one of the few proprietary players in the ecosystem they have not been able to benefit from help from the community, which is one of the reasons why their Wayland support is immature compared to the likes of Intel and AMD.

Shadywack ,
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You’re mostly there, but the big issue now is their handling of Xwayland. nVidia also doesn’t expose VRR/GSync under Wayland (but an engineer remarked that it’s slated for the 545 series release on the nVidia Linux forums).

The most glaring issue currently that effectively blocks Wayland for nVidia users is the lack of implicit sync on their end, and the Xwayland developers refusal to merge nVidia’s proposed explicit sync method. This is oversimplifying but the short version is from nVidia “implicit sync is too slow, it architecturally conflicts with our driver forcing a comprehensive rewrite, and we don’t want to look bad with implicit sync’s performance”. The response from X devs boils down to “You weren’t there when we planned all this, implicit sync works fine, explicit sync won’t benefit how the Mesa drivers work so this would only be for your benefit, and you’ve been complete assholes”.

Neither side looks like it’s going to flinch, so getting Wine to run in Wayland is the only feasible solution for nVidia users. In an all-wayland environment with no applications running under Xwayland, Mutter and plasma-wayland run like a dream, it’s a great experience.

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