My opinion on Manjaro seems unpopular, but I still like it. I daily-drive Manjaro happily.
It’s Arch that just works out of the box.
But most importantly, I already have it set up, and I am lazy. If it’s not broken (too much), don’t fix it.
My sister spent hours trying to play dvds on her new windows laptop ; I found her getting pissed off , turning to percussive maintenance, and starting to fill out a warranty claim on the dvd player . . .
It took about 15 minutes to download , flash (figure out how to change the sodding boot order) and run Manjaro installer/live usb stick to demonstrate how real computers can just do things like play dvds.
Manjaro is great for cases like that, since it works, is easy, and will have pretty well up to date kernel.
I mean don't get me wrong, installing arch from scratch is a good fun and educational process and very nostalgic for the 1990s . . . but i'm not doing all that on my sister's laptop just to demonstrate how shit windows is.
and i'm very grateful for valve doing it all for steamdeck.
Any specific graphic card to recommend from your own experience or article with tests ? I don’t have same vision from reading forums, as some games seems to not work properly with amd… But I’m no expert & I try to take care about comments on internet. I’m a protondb user with nvidia gtx 1650 (laptop version).
It seems I can’t find those good graphics on laptops ? Because otherwise I have no clue, if anyone has a good laptop builder brand / website I’ll take it too
I bought an AMD GPU before and the experience was so horrible that it’s deterred me from ever buying one again.
I never knew how good I had it with Nvidia until I tried AMD. The main issue? Drivers. AMDs drivers were abysmally shit. I never had to ‘choose’ specific versions of Nvidia drivers to get them to work. I did with AMD, and some features would work while others would break depending on the version.
When I was due for an upgrade, I chose low to mid-range AMD card supported by new open source drivers on Linux. Literally 0 issues and nothing to install. Pure plug and play. Am not sure about performance gain or loss since I haven’t touched Windows for a while.
With nVidia it was annoying and occasionally painful experience. Annoying because you had to install drivers and sometimes nVidia stops supporting your card, so you have to chase older drivers which might not be supported on your OS now, etc. On occasion those drivers would break after update and my system simply won’t start and I would have to revert to Nouveau to get any work done. Didn’t happen often, but enough to be annoying and the fact they chose the worst moment to break made it painful.
One thing I really liked about AMD cards that makes me happy I have one right now is output ports. AMD seems to be pushing more modern connectors than nVidia. In same generation I had nVidia with HDMI and VGA, while AMD pushed for HDMI and DVI, which can push analog but is at the same time digital. Since I like having two displays AMD’s choice was better. These days I use fiber optic HDMI cable for TV and having card with 3 digital connectors is very nice. Pushing 3 displays with nVidia card at the time was problematic if impossible. My solution was usually to have built-in Intel card push TV HDMI and other two displays were on nVidia, but since nVidia likes stepping over open GL libraries there was no hardware acceleration for Intel.
Granted this is all thing of a past but I don’t think I’ll switch from AMD anytime soon as they seem set on providing good quality open source drivers.
Am well aware nVidia is better optimized for games, or rather games are better optimized for nVidia. However to me, gaming is a secondary concern and getting work done primary one. So not giving me troubles while using it scores highly on my necessity list. That said I also think people should get what they want and what works best for them. Even though figuring that out is probably a harder task than it sounds.
On Linux all the drivers are included with the kernel. No software to manage either, it just works. Nvidia drivers need to be installed separately on Linux and are generally very low quality with performance and technical issues.
Idk about Windows though, never used an AMD GPU on it personally. My Nvidia GPU has always worked perfectly on Windows.
That’s bizarre, I have the opposite experience ha. Nvidia drivers with my 1660 produced buggy video output nearly 100% of the time, even idling on desktop would randomly cause black bars to appear every few frames. I tried 3 different driver versions but each one broke something different. Both X11 and Wayland sucked. On the Nvidia forums the devs were basically apologizing and saying it would be fixed later in these huge threads of people documenting similar issues. To my knowledge a lot of my issues still exist with my hardware.
My 5700 worked flawlessly OOTB without any tinkering. Open-source MESA drivers were packaged with my Debian 12 install and they have never stuttered or bugged out on me. I literally do not even think about my GPU setup anymore, it just works and required 0 configuration on my end.
Did you just have a different hardware setup? Was this a brand new release of an AMD GPU that just didn’t have good driver support on your distro yet?
Sounds like they probably last used AMD devices shortly after the ATI acquisition, and yeah for awhile the drivers were absolutely shyte (as they were with ATI).
The second possibility it’s - as you mentioned -, running bleeding-edge (i.e. trying to run a video device just released). I got a 6900XT early when they came out and drivers were a bit finicky for maybe the first 1-2mo. I think I had to manually download the firmware files to get it running. However, I’ve had the same issues - or worse - with other vendors in that regard.
Apart from that, then anything in the last half decade shouldn’t require any driver installs and minimum to no tinkering. It’s all
I think instead of damage control for AMD, you could try to open your mind to the possibility that their drives may not be so superior that they work for everyone just because they work for you.
Funny, I was very much in camp NVidia until the RX480, which ran just fine. So did my Vega56, and my 6900 as well as numerous APU’s (one was a bit annoying for overscan on the attached TV). No driver installs, just what came with the OS.
I’ve also got a tablet with an Intel Iris chipset that works fine with the in-kernel driver, and a laptop with an Nvidia chip that most of the time worked but periodically after a kernel update fails to output video requiring me to manually piss around with it and figure out why the stub didn’t build properly.
Maybe you should stop being an ass and consider that when the product/brand has worked for MANY people, maybe the issue is you
Maybe you should stop being an ass and consider that when the product/brand has worked for MANY people, maybe the issue is you
Hmm. You’re right. It’s me with my exotic hardware and configurations, not the drivers that many other people outside of /r/linux routinely complain about. My bad. Different AMD drivers breaking some things and fixing others (while never being fully functional) is because of me. The drivers are literally perfect, and have been for years.
Lol. Delusion is just not a river in egypt. Keep fanboying, gonna block you now.
Everything worked fine with my Nvidia 660ti. When I switched to an RX 580, I had issues with refresh rates and Freesync (that I can remember, it’s been awhile and I don’t care to keep all this recorded.) Some versions of drivers would fix issues but cause others. Some versions required certain configurations to fix issues but cause others. It was a mess.
Switched back to the 660ti, no issues. Bought a used 1070, no issues.
Haven’t gone back to AMD since that horrendous experience, but maybe they’ve improved.
I think it’s sad how few people here are willing to acknowledge that AMD’s drivers may not have been adequate for most users even if they worked for them. I bought AMD listening to ya’ll, and was horribly disappointed.
I guess that’s part of why theory is no substitute for experience.
I think the counter argument is also valid and the open source drivers are in the kernel, but proprietary drivers that… I actually dont know how to get, so I use Nobara… Proprietary drivers seem key to some of the performance gains I’m getting with my AMD + Linux rig.
I’m a big Pop!_OS fan. Based on Ubuntu so great for following guides and comparability. But no Snap, Flatpak is installed, the OS looks fantastic and runs smooth and gaming on it has been great.
+1 for Pop_OS. They also have a version with Nvidia driver support out of the box. Their UI is also a fantastic edited version of GNOME, so it’s sleek and easy to use
I thought Ubuntu was the best distro to get started as a gamer but it required so much tinkering. Pop like mentioned had Nvidia installed and with flatpak integration it just made everything honestly fun again
Another happy pop user here! The business model for system76 is basically to make a distro that works seamlessly on the hardware they sell. Side benefit: their distro also works seamlessly on a bunch of other modern hardware, and they pay a lot of attention to quality of life features that make hardware customers happy.
Arch takes the majority because SteamOS is based on it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything in the data that would allow discerning between those two.
I’m not sure if that’s the case, since looking at the stats you’d expect SteamOS/Holo to beat a couple of these listings if it was truly being counted separately to Arch
ProtonDB reports PC and Steam Deck separately. So unless the video creator took the PC stats and then added in Steam Deck and just counted SteamOS as Arch themselves, it’s probably just omitted entirely.
Also actually watching the video: Arch was already riding along at 20-21% before 2022. And in some cases dipped down to 19% mid 2022… So after the Steam Deck launched, the Arch numbers went DOWN. So yet another sign that Arch isn’t Arch + SteamOS: this is purely desktop usage.
Can you run the game from the terminal so you can see any error messages that are popping up? To do that, exit steam and run steam steam://rungamebyid/1817230
I'm assuming you're talking about this game which has an App ID of 1817230. If it's a different version of that game, find it on steamdb and use the App ID from the correct game.
I personally use arch with i3 window manager. Before anyone says anything, no, this isn’t another “I use arch btw” gag. It is fast, highly customisable, barebones and in my experience i3-wm works great with games which have fullscreen/windowing issues as it is easy to toggle between full screen and move windows about. For example, Gmod kept sticking in between my two monitors on Ubuntu and wouldn’t let me move the window. With i3, you can move containers around with ease. Plus if your arch installation breaks it is almost always your fault. I also have better performance than when I was using Ubuntu.
I wouldn’t say goodbye manjaro there are still plenty of users using it. But I’m happy that my distro of choice so far (endeavourOS) is also on the chart I feel like it’s a solid choice :)
I installed EndeavousOS on Feb 18, 2023, and it has given me the best gaming experience with the fewest of issues. Previously, I’ve tried Manjaro, PopOS and Tumbleweed and was met with issues early on that made running the latest AMD hardware troublesome in each, but I experienced none of that with EndeavourOS.
I'm currently on Nobara after EndeavourOS nuked itself and having the pleasure of experiencing their toxic community. I'm even considering going back to Manjaro at this point because that was still the most stable Linux experience I had. Maybe their website cert handling sucks but at least my system was running stable, for much longer at that.
Can confirm, been using it for a few months now and it had been the best experience so far. Steam and discord installable on rhe welcome app and even some common steam game fixes.
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