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Nexus mods want feedback from Linux / Steam Deck users on their new cross-platform app

Yesterday, July 1st, they announced the Alpha release of this next-generation mod manager and their new Product Manager got in touch to mention they “would be really keen to get feedback from Linux users”. So this is your chance to ensure Linux (and Steam Deck) finally become a first-class citizen for game modding.

Vincente , (edited )

I just bought the Steam Deck 3 days ago. And I like modding ES5 and Cyberpunk 2077. So I will!

therealjcdenton ,

Directly asking for feedback is a good sign. I’m looking forward to the future of modding on Linux

Mango ,

No thanks. Nexus Mods is about censorship.

yuri ,

Oh yikes, is this still about that spiteful pronouns mod?

Mango ,

Idk what that is. This is about that mod where some dude wanted all the relationships in BG3 to be straight couples. Nexus mods is okay with all the relationships being gay, but not all of them being straight? The hypocrisy is ridiculous. We can’t have our fantasy play time be dictated by other people, so why should they?

Edit: It might have been Skyrim. Not sure. Either way, people should get to do whatever they like in the privacy of their homes with whatever shapes please them, and it shouldn’t be up to Nexus mods to say which communities can share their fantasy shit and which can’t do long as they’re positioned as the primary access point for the whole modding scene. It’s literally discrimination. Those who say otherwise are probably the same trolls that say only men can rape.

FooBarrington ,

Yeah, no. Allowing this kind of fuckwittery excludes other people from the platform. How do you think the average minority player feels when people create mods specifically to turn non-white characters white? If you want these things available, go ahead and create your own platform - but don’t force others to swallow your racist, sexist bullshit.

Or, to make it short: too bad you feel discriminated against while trying to discriminate against others.

Mango ,

How do you feel when someone turns everything not Shrek into Shrek? Who gives a damn? Nexus didn’t pull rank with the BG3 mod that makes everyone gay. The fact that one group in the category is bigger than the other doesn’t matter. That’s just discriminating specifically against the majority which makes no more sense than discriminating against the minority. Pick a stance that isn’t hypocritical. You can have your all gay wonderland but they can’t have their all straight wonderland? Get fucked. Get fucked however you like. I’m personally only interested in gameplay and graphical improvements, but I won’t waste a moment dealing with a discriminatory host like Nexus.

FooBarrington ,

How do you feel when someone turns everything not Shrek into Shrek?

The idea that this is in any way comparable to my previous example shows the amount of empathy people with your positions have for other groups: none at all.

Mango ,

Tell me. What’s my position?

maniii ,

Dude. Lemmy is also another place where minorities don’t respect or even acknowledge the majority preferences.

I would rather let people be whoever they want to be in their own privacy and not try to rub it in everyones faces.

Mango ,

Yeah that much is clear. I’m all about the alternatives when it’s freedom and open source software, but when it’s 'haha fuck those straight people because someone was mean to me and made me embarrassed in middle school", that shit is just childish echo chamber nonsense. It’s okay to be into whatever sex stuff you’re about. It’s okay if someone else’s sex stuff feels like bad vibes to you. Shit is weird. It’s not okay to dictate availability of that shit for someone else. That’s why I don’t fuck with Nexus mods. What else are they hiding from me?

yuri ,

Being gay is wrong, but this idiot can JAQ off in public all day without shame? Disgusting.

Duke_Nukem_1990 , (edited )

Nah I am fine with bigoted shit not being allowed on the platform so this is making me want to use this even more :)

Reminds me of the Starfield PrOnOuNs guy lmao

Mango ,

What makes all straight bigoted while all gay is not? Hypocrite. It’s only discrimination if it’s white or straight or male now? You can have it how you like but they can’t? Go fuck yourself however you please, but they gotta fuck themselves also how you please?

Duke_Nukem_1990 , (edited )
  1. please wipe away the copious amount of foam from your mouth
  2. Changing relationships outside the cishet normativity to the cishet normativity because it makes you UnComFoRtAbLe is bigoted, yes. Deal with it sweety :)
Mango ,

Oh, so now it’s bad to be uncomfortable. So now they gotta take it and be uncomfortable with it, but YOUR comfort matters? Get over yourself. You’re just being tribalistic. You don’t care what’s good and right. You want your side to win. You’re a hypocrite.

Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

I think I’m just gonna block you and save myself the headache lol

Go back to 4chan.

yuri ,

Just Ask some more Questions, that’ll really make your position solid!

Mango ,

‘Don’t be a hypocrite’ is as solid as it gets.

yuri ,

Either way, people should get to do whatever they like in the privacy of their homes with whatever shapes please them

It seriously sounds like you’re trolling. People could do that already! The addition of the mod does LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IT DOES. The existence of gay characters doesn’t FORCE you to be gay around them.

Thanks for self reporting so hard though.

Mango ,

I’ve got no problem with the gay mods bro. I’m bi. I’ve got a problem with “it’s ok when it’s gay but not when it’s straight”. That’s exclusion. Doing it back to them is not justice.

I don’t generally feel the need to mod sex into my games anyhow. I want that college of winterhold and extra spells and shit. I’ve got other games for sex.

inferno69 ,
@inferno69@mastodon.social avatar

@Mango so I must have missed something but just use Nexus and then run lovers labs mods. That's all I did all the time. I don't know if the new Nexus app put restrictions on lovers labs mods but you should still be able to use it.

Mango ,

I haven’t really bothered modding anything since Skyrim. Regardless, if I do, I won’t really have anything to do with Nexus. Attention is money.

MonkeMischief ,

Cross platform now!? Oh happy day! As time moves on I find less and less that would force me to hold on to this Win10 install just for gaming. One of those things was “Aw but their mod manager was really good.”

Absolutely astounding.

OutlierBlue ,

I never really used their previous client. I liked the control of doing it manually and found it got in the way.

I’m glad to hear they’re working Linux support in to this new version though.

Vertelleus ,
@Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works avatar

I tried this out, I was unable to log in with Firefox or Chromium. It appears the only games that it supports in this alpha are Stardew Valley and Cyberpunk 2077. I have Stardew Valley installed and it finds it.

It’s a good start, though. I hope this gets updated soon.

asexualchangeling ,

This appears to be what they are using to track progress

trello.com/b/gPzMuIr3/nexus-mods-app-roadmap

Montagge ,

That sucks. I was able to log in with Firefox but it was goofy. It took two tries.

Kerb ,
@Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

finaly,
one of the verry last things i was missing.

now $(date +“%Y”) will truly be the year of the linux desktop

pcouy ,

I don’t game that much on pc anymore, but this reminded me of this post about Linux gamers providing good bug reports.

S_H_K ,

YEAH SWEET I’ll give my feed back for sure… After I get enough money for the steam deck…

F04118F ,

Just install Linux on your laptop or desktop.

If you want a hassle-free setup, get Linux Mint, or if you use Nvidia, Pop!_OS.

To get as close to the Steam Deck setup as reasonable, get EndeavourOS with KDE. It is Arch-based and may require maintenance though.

Kubuntu is a good middle ground, with the same desktop interface as SteamOS (KDE) but also pretty hassle-free setup.

Cosmonaut_Collin ,
@Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world avatar

I use kubuntu with nvidia and it works really well. The only issue I have is stuttering on games with a locked framerate lower than my monitor refresh rate. I was able to fix the stuttering on elden ring with mods and so far that is the only game that has been wonky about it.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

WAIT I CAN JUST INSTALL LINUX ON THE LAPTOP AND IT TRANSFORMS INTO A STEAM DECK!?

F04118F ,

Software-wise, if you are using a Linux installation with KDE interface, on an AMD CPU and AMD GPU, and are using a wayland session with gamescope to play games, it is very VERY close to the Steam Deck and you are benefiting from all the optimizations that were made for Steam Deck. Bonus points if the hardware is Ryzen 3000 series and Radeon RX 6000 series.

You probably saw this, but Nexus Mods are asking feedback from Linux users, not just Steam Deck. Because, you know, apart from the sticks, size and touch pads, Steam Deck is just another Linux machine.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

LOL that’s a lot of ifs…

And you left out the part about launching into big picture mode.

F04118F ,

All Linux installations use Proton, DXVK and Wine to play Windows games. That is the biggest power of the Steam Deck. The rest is just bonus.

You can launch Big Picture mode on any pc with Steam installed for ease of use with a controller…

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

That is not correct.

RandomLegend ,
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Elaborate

What about this isn’t correct?

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

The “biggest power” is the unique first-party processor it uses, the touch pads, the Steam Input configuration, Gamescope, sleep/resume function (tied to the processor) and the direct launch into Big Picture mode. Not to mention hardware that’s simply guaranteed to work with Linux/Steam. All things installing any old Linux distro won’t suddenly provide you.

RandomLegend , (edited )
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

interesting… can you please go ahead and tell this to my Minisforum PC i hooked up to my TV and let it boot into big picture and resume from sleep etc. just like its a console?

Because from what you told me it shouldnt work… but it does… and somebody needs to tell it and i can’t because i didnt spend so much time with it… you know i just installed bazzite and called it a day… so i don’t really have a big connection to it :/

But in all seriousness, you’re completly wrong here. The chip used in the Steamdeck sure is special and does a lot of heavy lifting. But everything that makes out the steamdeck is definetely not exclusive to its hardware. You 100% can just hook up any PC, be it some minisforum mini pc, a laptop or a off the shelf gaming PC, install literally any linux on it and within a few hours of installing and configuring stuff - you can make your own “steamdeck”. It works. Reliable, hasslefree.

I assume you just don’t have any real-world experience with setting something like this up. Go ahead and try it, it’s not hard and you will see that you just don’t need a steamdeck.

It’s absolutely nothing special to produce a console-like gaming experience with linux these days.

You really shouldn’t believe to be correct if everyone else has the real-world experience you try to tell others can’t exist

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

But in all seriousness, you’re completly wrong here…But everything that makes out the steamdeck is definetely not exclusive to its hardware.

Yes, I would be wrong, had that been what I said, but it isn’t. In fact I very clearly listed several software requirements that you’re just intentionally ignoring in a poor attempt to “dunk” on me and score fake internet points.

You 100% can just hook up any PC, be it some minisforum mini pc, a laptop or a off the shelf gaming PC, install literally any linux on it and within a few hours of installing and configuring stuff - you can make your own “steamdeck”.

No you cant. I just listed a dozen reasons why that isn’t true, you argued with one and declared that I was wrong while completely ignoring the rest.

I assume you just don’t have any real-world experience with setting something like this up.

Well you know what happens when you assume. You make an ass of yourself. I have a Steam Deck, and a desktop PC running Bazzite. The sleep function does not work.

RandomLegend ,
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s always the same, some says something factually wrong, gets corrected, the votes weigh in and then the argument of “you just try to dunk on my for fake internet points” come up… sigh

Alright, let’s go through it point by point.

  1. You didn’t list a single reason why you CAN’T hook up any PC with Linux and create a “console”. You just listed a bunch of feature that are available to every single linux distro and a bunch of feature that are in fact exclusive to the steamdeck, but are NOT critical to achieve a console-like gaming system. 1.1 “Unique first-party processor” - Yup, thats steamdeck exclusive afaik, but it’s only special feature is the balance between TDP and performance. None of the firmware / software features rely on that specific CPU. I can “proof” that because as i said, my Minisforum can go into the exact same sleep / resume state as the steamdeck. But “oh here we go again!” you might say, i just listed the same one specific machine again. Yup i did, but my other machines do exactly the same. My NVidia powered PC and my personal gaming rig. Yes they all have AMD CPUs, i have no idea how good Intel goes with all this but honestly i don’t care. I doesn’t disprove my point in any way.
  2. Touch pads - Yup exclusive to the steamdeck. Not at all critical to achieve a console-like gaming system.
  3. Steam Input configuration - Not exclusive to the deck, available for every single machine that can install steam.
  4. Gamescope - Not exclusive to the deck, available for every single distro that runs wayland.
  5. Sleep / resume function - Not exclusive to the steamdeck. All my PCs achieve the same result as the deck.
  6. Direct launch into Big Picture Mode - Lmao also not exclusive (how do you even think that?! xD).
  7. Hardware thats guaranteed to work with Linux / Steam. Nowadays, it’s really fucking hardware to find mainstream gaming hardware that is NOT supported by Linux. Heck even NVidia works reliable with wayland with the newest 555 driver. How do i now? Oh because of my frigging 3070 that’s running in one of my gaming systems.

So, i just elaborated. Disprove me with real forum entries / wiki entries that describe that something that i wrote is not correct. Go ahead, i wait… but i won’t answer anymore.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

some says something factually wrong

Never Happened

gets corrected

Also never happenened

then the argument of “you just try to dunk on my for fake internet points” come up… sigh

People will stop saying it when it stops being true.

You didn’t list a single reason why you CAN’T hook up any PC with Linux and create a “console”.

Once again with the strawman. Scroll up and read again. I know this is the conversation you may have been having in your head that you were “winning”, but it’s not the one that is taking place here. I’ll go ahead and ignore the rest of your comment since it’s predicated on a statement no one made.

The point is you can’t just slap any old Linux distro on any old laptop and Bob’s Your Uncle, it’s a Steam Deck, as was casually stated in the comment I initially replied to. There’s a lot more work involved, and even then you lack much of the hardware that makes the SD special.

Inui ,

Install Bazzite and use the Laptop version with Steam Gaming Mode if you have an AMD system. It’s what you’re asking for but for non-deck devices. bazzite.gg

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I didn’t ask for anything…

Inui ,

Not literally, but this turns your device into a Steamdeck, which is what you implied you wanted. With the option to launch into Big Picture/Gaming Mode.

Nyanix ,
@Nyanix@lemmy.ca avatar

Who hurt you that you’re taking all of this as a personal attack?

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

None of that happened.

I’m just tired of people constantly spreading disinformation about turning their laptops into Steam Decks by simply installing Linux, and failing to understand or acknowledge literally any of the major differences.

Grass ,

if you have an amd gpu and install bazzite its basically the steamos version valve hasn’t released yet but with a fedora base instead of arch. I wouldn’t actually do the deck image though because game mode is kinda annoying unless controller really is your primary input. I use the desktop image on all my computers that aren’t server use.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Did you remember to wish upon a star during install?

can ,

Just install Linux on your laptop or desktop.

I have been trying

I don’t think my laptop likes to boot from a USB, things used to be so much easier. Maybe I need to try a DVD.

I need to find a DVD.

caseyweederman ,

Mind if we collectively do some troubleshooting?
What are you using to write to the usb key? Have you tried tools like Ventoy? What OS are you using to write the USB iso? Which iso are you using?
What model is your laptop? How far along in the process are you able to get? Is the USB key in the boot device list? Do you have USB enabled in the BIOS under bootable options?

can , (edited )

I would really appreciate that in fact.

I tried Rufus and UNetbootin, both on the windows 10 machine I’m intending to try Linux on, to a 32gb flash drive (I tried two different ones actually). I used an AV Linux ISO and Ubuntu Studio ISO. I have not tried Ventoy.

It’s an HP. I’ll have to check the model. I went through the bios, and while admittedly it’s been some time, I thought everything seemed right. I recall trying to change the priority.

It wouldn’t boot at all. Windows just forces its way through.

Edit: I looked I to Ventoy a bit. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.

pezhore ,
@pezhore@lemmy.ml avatar

There should be a a button that you can press repeatedly to open up a boot menu - it can be the delete key, f2, etc.

Depending on how new your laptop is, you may need to disable something called “Secure Boot”. Keep in mind if your windows installation is encrypted with BitLocker or whatever else Windows is using these days. If it is encrypted, and you have secure boot enabled you may run into issues booting back into Windows - it will freak out that secure boot was disabled and require your encryption key.

At least, that’s what happened with my ROG Zephyrus M16 - I had to find my BitLocker key to boot into Windows and then decrypt it using the settings menu.

Also, if you want to be able to use both Windows and Linux - see if your laptop has an expansion port for a second hard drive. Windows historically has screwed over dual booted Linux grub with updates, and if you can just boot to a entirely different drive that won’t happen.

can , (edited )

It’s at least 5 years old. I’ll look into secure boot. I wouldn’t be against ditching windows entirely but I’m not sure I’m up for transferring all my files over right now. No way my laptop supports another drive unfortunately

Edit: however much to my surprise I did find an official service guide

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/fc7316ed-0181-46f6-ab86-ec83dfd6dca3.jpeg

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9fb15468-09a2-4e13-bcef-86f065eae5b2.jpeg

pezhore ,
@pezhore@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, I may catch flak but I wouldn’t be inclined to ditch windows altogether. Unless you literally only do web browsing on your laptop, there’s a high likelihood you may run into a few things that need troubleshooting to get working under Linux, and dual being able to switch back to Windows seamlessly is a huge help/comfort.

If you can find the model number or service tag, that would be a big help for troubleshooting.

There should be a sticker under your laptop with a bunch of tiny text, or if I recall correctly you can use System Information. See this article

caseyweederman ,

That’s good advice, but I’d put forward that you can do all your troubleshooting in a live install so you can bail if you need to. Chances are most things just work and then it’s easier to hit the button.

can , (edited )

I only do audio production on my laptop. All browsing is come on my phone whenever possible. The software in my workflow is all Linux compatible and the distros I’m interested in are geared toward that focus. That said I would appreciate the convenience of having windows for now still. Especially since there are some plugins I occasionally use which unfortunately aren’t Linux compatible.

w2tpmf ,

UNetbootin stopped being useful a long time ago. Rufus is OK as long as you set it up right.

Partition scheme: MBR

Target system: BIOS or UEFI

File system:FAT32

Then in the BIOs setting on the HP go to advanced and set “Legacy Support Enabled”. Save and exit.

Smash the F9 key repeatedly during boot to pull up the boot menu. You should see your USB device listed to pick and boot from.

can ,

I feel like those were the settings I used in Rufus. Sounds like legacy support might be what I need, thanks.

lemba ,
@lemba@social.tchncs.de avatar

@w2tpmf @can What about https://ventoy.net/en/index.html ?

w2tpmf ,

Ventoy is great, but…

  1. It takes a few more steps to setup than Rufus, and you still have to set the right boot mode
  2. The tool OP already has should work so there’s no need to send him to download another piece of software if he can complete the task with what he has.
lemba ,
@lemba@social.tchncs.de avatar

@w2tpmf ventoy is as easy to set up as any other Boot-Stick-tool and has the great advantage that you can copy as many ISOs on your stick as there is space and you can still use it for other files... imho

w2tpmf ,

I know exactly how it works. I use it every day. I never said it isnt easy. I said it’s more steps to set it up.

Rufus: run exe, pick iso, run it

Ventoy: run exe to install it, run it to configure the drive, copy ISOs over to the drive

For setting up a drive that’s going to be used repeatedly and continually changing what’s on it, Ventoy is the superior tool.

For a one time use to quickly get a ISO over to a USB… Rufus is quicker and gets the job done.

…and again…OP already has Rufus in hand. There’s no reason to get another piece of software that doesn’t offer any advantage to OP’s task.

lemba ,
@lemba@social.tchncs.de avatar

@w2tpmf Ventoy is a one time setup. After that you can throw any ISO on it and just reboot...
But you are right and we are on the same boat :mastolove:

w2tpmf ,

I literally just wrote out how it works and you are repeating it back like it’s new information 😆

olafurp ,

It might take a bit to wade through the BIOS settings to get it up but I’d recommend a process of elimination based on “Doesn’t sound relevant to the boot sequence” to figure it out. I have a recent HP laptop and I installed KDE Neon on it.

Searching for “How to install Linux on [your BIOS and version]” might also help.

Carlo ,

I recently got my old Dell dual-booting windows 10 and mint. Didn’t have issues getting mint installed (I used Etcher to burn the ISO to a USB drive), but windows absolutely didn’t want to play nice with Grub, and I had to use bcdedit to get it to load the boot menu. Working fine now, though! Looking at some articles, it seems like f10 is probably your bios key. It really ought to be able to boot from usb; my mobo is 12 years old and supports it.

can ,

That’s reassuring. I think it’s capable but it may be windows secure boot messing it up. Not familiar with bcdedit but I could try.

Carlo ,

Not familiar with bcdedit but I could try.

Yeah, I wouldn’t say I am, either—strictly a dabbler. For me, it’s just a matter of finding various forum posts from other people trying to get it working, and applying different suggested fixes until something works (ideally). There are tons of helpful comments out there, if you can find them.

I wouldn’t mess with bcdedit unless you get linux installed, but there’s no boot entry for it in your bios.

can ,

For me, it’s just a matter of finding various forum posts from other people trying to get it working, and applying different suggested fixes until something works (ideally).

I’m no stranger to that. I guess it’s a matter of motivation at this point.

ColeSloth ,

I really love the thing. It’s been my almost exclusive gaming device for the last couple years, except for the past few weeks where I’ve been binge gaming shattered pixel dungeon on my phone.

Yearly1845 ,

SPD gang rise up!

ColeSloth ,

I just screwed myself so hard. Was OP buff as hell warrior class. Killed the final boss with ease, went back up to level 1, and …couldn’t leave. I’d forgotten to go grab the dumb amulet and didn’t even notice I wasn’t healing on the boss stages on the way back up.

Went all the way back down, grabbed the amulet, started going back up again but at that point I was running low on food. Then due to a quick series of absolute bs and bad luck I got killed. Ruined a fantastic run that I thought was in the bag.

Yearly1845 ,

Oh nooooooo! Wow that sucks but its really impressive you crawled that entire dungeon three times (down up down).

I don’t bother with the challenge ascent, since I don’t want to ruin a win. I want to do it someday but for now I just end the game with the amulet.

Lojcs ,

Does it work with nonstandard steam directories and proton?

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Worst case scenario you could just bind mount the nonstandard steam directory into the usual place

ace ,

Seems to work with my personal setup at least, with two libraries - the default on ~/.local/share/steam, and one on /mnt/storage/steam - and Stardew Valley installed in the secondary storage library

Sivilian ,

It only works with Stardew Valley right now, but a gog and steam are support so I think you can point it to where you have the game.

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