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Turns out, I wanted a tiled window manager all along

I got into computers when there was no GUI.

Then years later I got a Win95 PC and I found the Windows GUI pretty good - although the rest of the OS was not. My personal Linux PC running Slackware 96 came with FVWM95 wich was a good approximation. So I switched to that.

That was just for graphical utilities of course - of which there weren’t very many. I spent the rest of my time in the Linux console or in xterm using screen for convenience.

Fast-forward to today: I still do that. I still like the Win95 UI paradigm, so I run Mint / Cinnamon. But most of what I do with it is open a Gnome terminal, blow it up and start tmux - like screen but better.

And, ya know, for almost 3 decades, whether it’s Mint or anything else I used, that’s pretty much what I’ve been doing: running screen in a terminal in a Win95-like GUI. And it works fine for me.

I recently ordered a laptop that comes with Debian / Wayland and the Sway window manager installed by default. I learned a long time ago that it’s often better to go with whatever is installed by default than try to reinstall everything and fight a system that wasn’t designed for it.

The laptop will take a few weeks to get here. So to prepare for when it lands on my porch, I decided to get into Sway on my current machine, to get used to it. I figured even if I don’t like it, at least that way I’ll be comfortable with it, and I’ll know whether it’s acceptable as it is or whether I should spend the time installing something more Win95-like.

But my current machine doesn’t run Wayland, just plain Xorg. 2 minutes of searching revealed that Sway is in fact i3wm for Wayland.

Great! I promptly installed i3 on my Linux Mint box, switch to it, fucked around with the config file for a few hours and… I love it! That’s pretty much exactly what I do with Cinnamon anyway but quicker!

And just like that, I switch to i3. I felt right at home with it from the get-go. The whole Win95-like UI was just a familiarity: in fact, what I’ve always wanted was a tiling window manager.

And yes, I did spend a few hours - almost half a day really - configuring the thing exactly how I like. But if I’m honest, I probably spent just as much time with Cinnamon way back when I switched to that too. So it’s no different really.

So the takeaway here is: even if you have decades-old die-hard habits and you don’t want to change, you should expose yourself to change every once in a while: you might just get surprised 🙂

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Can we get a screenshot of your setup please?

Mixel ,
@Mixel@szmer.info avatar

Nice idea!

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sure why not.

…sdf.org/…/atSfzBv3qHWJ59yITdTOgbxrwf6eWsQbCh3hI6…

But there’s notthing spectacular or out of the ordinary here: it’s just a boring-ass, bog-standard i3 installation. What I spent time configuring isn’t visible - stuff like keyboard bindings, how it starts, how it handles multiple monitors… things like that.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Very respectable setup. Nice work. I’m glad you found something that feels like home for you.

gigachad ,

The spaces in your dict look criminal, but it’s really nice to look at!

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

When I have the choice, I write for legibility, not to comply with styling conventions.

lurch ,

what i don’t like about most tiling WMs is they are keyboard only. you can’t hold a beverage in one hand and use them easily with the mouse. only very few let you also do most things with mouse (notion for example). currently i use Gnome (mutter standard WM) with the Forge extension (that adds tiling) for that reason. It’s not perfect, but lets me use my phone with one hand and operate the PC with the other etc.

fmstrat ,

I created Wintile for gnome because of this. Will have to take a look at Forge.

Bo7a ,

popos tiling works this way as well.

CameronDev ,

I kinda like the keyboard shortcuts for i3/sway, but wish there was some level of mouse integration/polish like gnome. Will try forge, thanks!

rhys ,

Sway by default lets you move windows by dragging their title bar. Minimise/maximise doesn’t make sense in Sway, but adding fullscreen and close behaviour to buttons on your menubar of choice or extra mouse buttons would be pretty easy. Graphical app launchers exist too — I use one in Sway on my Yoga since I primarily use its touchscreen.

I appreciate those things aren’t in place by default, but they are kinda antithetical to the tiling paradigm, and if you’re using something like Sway then you’re probably tinkering a ton with it anyway.

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

what i don’t like about most tiling WMs is they are keyboard only. you can’t hold a beverage in one hand and use them easily with the mouse.

Depends. Here for example, I’m lounging in the couch with a beer in one hand, watching Youtube videos in FreeTube, chatting with a friend in Signal and lazily browsing a few browser tabs and windows the rest of the time. The browser windows are arranged in one tabbed workspace, Signal in another workspace and Freetube in a third workspace, all of which are available with a mouse click. I’m basically not touching the keyboard unless I have to.

I guess it depends on how involved you want things to be with one hand clutching a beer 🙂 Me, that’s as complicated as I’m willing to let things get when I booze.

mathemachristian ,

The one thing that I always wanted from i3/sway is to have windows outside to the side of my screen, so that I could have

|- browser@half screen size-||- editor@half screen size -||- PDF viewer@half screen size -|

When I’m writing some math thing. Then I could just scroll to the left or to the right depending on whether I’m looking something up and writing it down, or whether I’m editing what is already written down.

Long story short: PaperWM for GNOME

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

There’s a reason Windows 11 brought tiling features into the native window manager, and for Microsoft PowerToys to bring an even better tiling window manager on top of that.

I’ve tried tiling WMs myself but I always ended up fighting them and needing to tweak the configuration to work around bugs. I liked the prospect of Hyprland until some shit about the dev came out. The best combination I’ve seen so far has been Pop_OS’s Gnome plugin. Maybe I’ll switch to Cosmic once that comes out stable.

It’s worth trying out new stuff! I use Gnome every day and I would’ve never used it if I tried to stick to my Windows workflow!

sneak100 ,

GOOD post, thanks OP. I’ve been meaning to try out i3 for a while, so maybe I’ll give it a go on my lappy where there’s less stakes if I fuck something up

Commiunism ,

Welcome to the club - after starting to use window managers around 3 years ago at this point, I haven’t gone back. Whenever I’m forced to use Windows or a regular DE, I start instinctively abusing virtual desktops feature lol

tmat256 ,

I spent years using i3 as my main machine and I loved everything about it. Fast forward to now where I have to use a Mac. Most of the time I’m in a terminal with tmux so it’s fine but any time I have to deal with a gui element that is under something else I get more and more upset.

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

now where I have to use a Mac

Why did you start using a Mac? It sounds like a couple of steps backward in terms of freedom.

Also, I did a quick a quick search and this came up.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Even as someone that got into computers in the Apple II days, I’ve never been able to get used to tiling WMs. I remember being blown away with Solaris Xwindow and I’ve never really looked back on those days without a mouse. I just slap on more monitors and use virtual desktops now.

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

That’s what I thought too - and I tried other tiling window managers in the past, only to quickly return to whatever I was used to. But somehow i3 hit the spot, It you’re used to screen or tmux, this thing has the same DNA and you’ll feel right at home. Give it an honest try, you might just like it.

But I do believe that you kind of have to be halfway there already to “get it”. My halfway-there was being so used to the same concept in the terminal. If you’re never exposed to tiling in any way, shape or form, maybe it’s more of a stretch.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I’ve tried every tiling WM at one point or another, but it’s never taken hold. And I’ve used no end of Tmux over the years, but never really bothered with the shortcuts in those either, so doing it for a WM never took.

Everyone that uses one raves about it, but I’ve never found the fit, even with the amount of windows I keep open at any given time. If I get really ambitious I’ll use Plasma’s Meta-T to set up tiles, then promptly forget about it.

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