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Turns out, I wanted a tiled window manager all along

I got into computers when there was no GUI.

Then years later I got a Win95 PC and I found the Windows GUI pretty good - although the rest of the OS was not. My personal Linux PC running Slackware 96 came with FVWM95 wich was a good approximation. So I switched to that.

That was just for graphical utilities of course - of which there weren’t very many. I spent the rest of my time in the Linux console or in xterm using screen for convenience.

Fast-forward to today: I still do that. I still like the Win95 UI paradigm, so I run Mint / Cinnamon. But most of what I do with it is open a Gnome terminal, blow it up and start tmux - like screen but better.

And, ya know, for almost 3 decades, whether it’s Mint or anything else I used, that’s pretty much what I’ve been doing: running screen in a terminal in a Win95-like GUI. And it works fine for me.

I recently ordered a laptop that comes with Debian / Wayland and the Sway window manager installed by default. I learned a long time ago that it’s often better to go with whatever is installed by default than try to reinstall everything and fight a system that wasn’t designed for it.

The laptop will take a few weeks to get here. So to prepare for when it lands on my porch, I decided to get into Sway on my current machine, to get used to it. I figured even if I don’t like it, at least that way I’ll be comfortable with it, and I’ll know whether it’s acceptable as it is or whether I should spend the time installing something more Win95-like.

But my current machine doesn’t run Wayland, just plain Xorg. 2 minutes of Googling revealed that Sway is in fact i3wm for Wayland.

Great! I promptly installed i3 on my Linux Mint box, switch to it, fucked around with the config file for a few hours and… I love it! That’s pretty much exactly what I do with Cinnamon anyway but quicker!

And just like that, I switch to i3. I felt right at home with it from the get-go. The whole Win95-like UI was just a familiarity: in fact, what I’ve always wanted was a tiling window manager.

And yes, I did spend a few hours - almost half a day really - configuring the thing exactly how I like. But if I’m honest, I probably spent just as much time with Cinnamon way back when I switched to that too. So it’s no different really.

So the takeaway here is: even if you have decades-old die-hard habits and you don’t want to change, you should expose yourself to change every once in a while: you might just get surprised 🙂

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

There’s a reason Windows 11 brought tiling features into the native window manager, and for Microsoft PowerToys to bring an even better tiling window manager on top of that.

I’ve tried tiling WMs myself but I always ended up fighting them and needing to tweak the configuration to work around bugs. I liked the prospect of Hyprland until some shit about the dev came out. The best combination I’ve seen so far has been Pop_OS’s Gnome plugin. Maybe I’ll switch to Cosmic once that comes out stable.

It’s worth trying out new stuff! I use Gnome every day and I would’ve never used it if I tried to stick to my Windows workflow!

mathemachristian ,

The one thing that I always wanted from i3/sway is to have windows outside to the side of my screen, so that I could have

|- browser@half screen size-||- editor@half screen size -||- PDF viewer@half screen size -|

When I’m writing some math thing. Then I could just scroll to the left or to the right depending on whether I’m looking something up and writing it down, or whether I’m editing what is already written down.

Long story short: PaperWM for GNOME

lurch ,

what i don’t like about most tiling WMs is they are keyboard only. you can’t hold a beverage in one hand and use them easily with the mouse. only very few let you also do most things with mouse (notion for example). currently i use Gnome (mutter standard WM) with the Forge extension (that adds tiling) for that reason. It’s not perfect, but lets me use my phone with one hand and operate the PC with the other etc.

fmstrat ,

I created Wintile for gnome because of this. Will have to take a look at Forge.

Bo7a ,

popos tiling works this way as well.

CameronDev ,

I kinda like the keyboard shortcuts for i3/sway, but wish there was some level of mouse integration/polish like gnome. Will try forge, thanks!

sneak100 ,

GOOD post, thanks OP. I’ve been meaning to try out i3 for a while, so maybe I’ll give it a go on my lappy where there’s less stakes if I fuck something up

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Can we get a screenshot of your setup please?

Mixel ,
@Mixel@szmer.info avatar

Nice idea!

ExtremeDullard OP ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sure why not.

…sdf.org/…/atSfzBv3qHWJ59yITdTOgbxrwf6eWsQbCh3hI6…

But there’s notthing spectacular or out of the ordinary here: it’s just a boring-ass, bog-standard i3 installation. What I spent time configuring isn’t visible - stuff like keyboard bindings, how it starts, how it handles multiple monitors… things like that.

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Very respectable setup. Nice work. I’m glad you found something that feels like home for you.

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