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angelmountain ,

Pretty much the entire internet runs on Linux already.

For personal users I think a stable, well supported, secure and privacy focused version will help. Also, it helps if this is the version your “computer-guy” uses, the guy that you (or your mom) call(s) when your computer is broken.

jjlinux ,

You don’t. It’s already happening. Slowly but steady.

Tangentism ,

Exactly. If critical mass is achieved inorganically, it would result with a reverse in uptake & possibly even a revolt against it.

You can lead a horse to water… (but a pencil must be lead)

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

Linux isn’t competing with Windows or MacOS.
It doesn’t follow the capitalist model of a market, and that’s a good thing.

smileyhead ,

Windows and MacOS are products. Linux is a technology and common human knowleadge.

GreatDong3000 ,

I think I don’t even want Linux to become too popular. It will attract the wrong kind of attention. First, being more targeted by attackers it may become less safe. Most importantly, I don’t even know how but I know that if Linux becomes a huge market for home users, corporations will look at it and go “uh, big market sitting there let’s monetize it” and there is absolutely no way Linux won’t become shittier in more ways than one when thousands of big corporations out there are trying to get their hands on Linux users and our data in multiple different ways. Again, I don’t know how it will happen but I don’t like having this kind of attention on Linux.

meekah ,
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I don’t see how that could happen. You can always choose another distro, or make your own if absolutely necessary. But I understand why you’re concerned.

GreatDong3000 ,

Idk, where there is potential for data mining and money there is a will and a way.

I am worried about stuff that is widespread like systemd, KDE, GNOME, flatpak, a bunch of stuff which is mantained by companies like redhat and canonical, etc. I also worry stuff like what was attempted with the XZ backdoor becomes more common.

We can always hop to other distros but if the high level polished stuff that we’ve taken a long time to achieve gets compromised these safer distros may end up being a worse experience and set us back years or decades.

I think I am fine with home use Linux growing a little bit, maybe if we get just under 10% or so that can be good in terms of software availability and just more people working on open source projects. Too much popularity idk, I am not onboard with that rn.

meekah ,
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Hmm yeah, you do have a point there.

krnpnk ,

Hm it’s probably “bundle with the hardware, make sure the hardware really works and there’s a price incentive vs Windows”.

As long as you have to actively migrate (including backing up, losing access to several commercial apps) and could end up in the situation that your hardware isn’t 100% working or you’re workflow isn’t really supported?

joojmachine ,

make sure the hardware really works

Also make sure the software really works, one of the main issues with Linux adoption by hardware manufacturers is their lack of dedication to it. In Brazil, for example, most brands that ship with a Linux distro (except for DELL, which ships with Ubuntu) ship with basically digital waste (unmantained, poorly developed distros) just to make the hardware cheaper, because they know people will get it to just install a pirated copy of Windows in it.

ProgrammingSocks ,

There’s a circular reasoning happening that’s causing Windows to stay dominant. Why isn’t professional software being developed for Linux more? Because it doesn’t get used in the workplace. Why doesn’t Linux get used in the workplace? Because it doesn’t have professional software support.

You need to break one of these things to succeed.

LeFantome ,

Agreed. Both things need to happen when they can.

If you live with the applications available on Linux ( or prefer them as I do ) then you can use Linux in the workplace.

At the same time, some “professional” applications are going to need to start targeting Linux. Some do. More need to.

There is an implied contract above. If you need professional applications and they become available on Linux, you have to use them ( and pay for them ).

steeznson ,

Yes I’ve observed small examples of this at various places I’ve worked where the devs want to use linux but the company want everyone on windows or macOS.

The problem is that enterprise software like RMM which the companies usually need for compliance/security/insurance reasons don’t have working linux versions. It’s particularly intractable because most devs think of this software as basically being malware so you’re never going to get a coordinated effort to assist the SAAS companies with compatibility/integration.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Please don’t.

Pacmanlives ,

It’s 2006 and the year of the Linux Desktop

linuxquestions.org/…/2006_The_Year_of_the_Linux_D…

Pacmanlives ,

All jokes aside Linux has grown a lot since the. Just need to keep pumping out good releases, integration and reducing the jank that used to be a thing

possiblylinux127 ,

Why?

BCsven ,

Ask India, they hit 15% Linux desktop use

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Forced financial constraints? Because I am an Indian.

Railcar8095 ,

It’s not like pirating Windows is hard or expensive.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Then what do you think is the reason, that I do not know, that results in so much Linux adoption in the country I live in?

Railcar8095 ,

I don’t know. Your justification seems a bit weak. It’s not like piracy is not a thing there.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

I assume you know better than me about India, a country that does not have much awareness material about in global media?

Railcar8095 ,

India is not the most financially constrained country in the world by far. If the explanation was just that, we would see a very direct correlation with the rest of the countries that are similarly constrained.

Now, if instead of making rethoric questions you could maybe offer some arguments you would definitely be more helpful.

TheAnonymouseJoker , (edited )
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Our per capita income is not exactly healthy, and the wealth distribution is highly unequal. Linux is majorly used in South India, and among the techies that are older fhan Gen Z/Alpha, as millenials and older people grew up on computers instead of smartphones.

Railcar8095 ,

Same thing can be said of Pakistan and they don’t have a significantly high Linux usage.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
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Pakistan has been funded by USA for decades to house US funded terrorists and to commit terrorism and keep Asia unstable. They have also given shelter to other terrorist groups in the region. Pakistan has never had a complete term under any Prime Minister since 1947. Pakistan and India are worlds apart on every single socio-economic and political parameter.

I should have just said false equivalence. Your arguments till now have been too weak to prove anything you are claiming. Don’t hop around like Alex Jones. Just stop.

Railcar8095 ,

What on earth are you taking about?? I’m telling you that “no money = Linux” is a bad argument and you come back with a drug fueled conspiracy theory.

I’m not even giving an argument, I’m telling you you have no argument. You’re the one that should be explaining your theory.

Dude, chill a bit. Take some fresh air and stay away from sharp objects.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

I explained my “conspiracy theory” (factual BTW) and I EDC a Victorinox.

Indians in such big numbers are not privacy conscious. There are not so many Indians tech focused to the point they actively learn Linux. It is about lack of money for individuals and in some cases trying to get maximum performance on potato machines, again a consequence of lack of money.

BCsven ,

Quite possibly. North America still has too much disposable income to start making OS decisions based on pricing

electricprism ,

High Fives India, Well Done!!!

BaldProphet ,
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Why does Linux need to be more popular? This isn't some NRM with a proselytizing mandate. Use whichever OS you prefer and let others do the same.

LeFantome ,

Linux being more popular means more applications of higher quality. I guess this does not matter to you. For those of us that would prefer more high-quality applications, Linux popularity matters.

azimir ,

I’m a die hard Linux user. I don’t spend much time telling people about it outside of actual tech conversations that should include the topic. I did raise my kids with a lot of Linux desktop use on their machines. They uniformly find the Windows 10/11 experience to be horrible, so I guess I’ve managed success on that front.

BigMikeInAustin ,

That’s when you know you’ve won!

possiblylinux127 ,

Or you know Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot

shipwreckt ,
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@azimir @urska

I'm happy your kids are into Linux! It's better to raise on then windows in my opinion.

azimir ,

The crazy moment was when one kid was about 10 years old and he busted open the terminal without promoting to get something done. He already knew it was faster and more powerful so he just started learning the tools.

I danced a little jig in my head once I realized what had just happened.

shipwreckt ,
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@azimir
All I will say is your kid is smart and you should be a very proud man :)

I suggest as a linux dude myself, keep encouraging him :D and as an extra suggestion if he wants to learn more about Linux see if he wants to try out arch linux because that has taught me a lot over the time I have used it :D

azimir ,

Thank you. I’m very proud of all of my kids (even the Windows user).

I haven’t put anyone on the Arch path yet. So far, apt, video drivers, and Steam have been giving the crew enough trouble.

If nothing else, just keeping Discord patched is getting them lots of experience with sudo and dpkg tools. Why doesn’t Discord have a repo?

shipwreckt ,
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@azimir
Good :)

Hm what distro do most of them use ?

I'm not sure why it isn't on their repo I know there is a .deb for it, maybe there is any other Linux launcher for Discord but for me discord just works whenever there is an update because I'm on a rolling release distro

Also steam can be a bit frustrating I brought watch dogs because it was on sale and it won't run with proton, I believe it works on lutris but I dont wanna install it just to play one game :0

azimir ,

Discord does provide a .deb, but I’ve never found a repo that carries updated versions. I’ve found plenty of hacks that download the latest one and install it every night, but for whatever reason, it’s not kept in the various Debian repos out there.

The kids mostly use Mint with one Ubuntu machine (driver issues that worked on Ubuntu, but not Mint).

I’ve only barely used steam myself (no time for games: see having many kids), but I know the kids often do have to do various tweaks for games at times. I let them have full sudo on their own machines with a scorched earth policy if something goes wrong. Mostly, it seems to work and they don’t bug me much.

shipwreckt ,
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@azimir
I know the arch repos do since I'm on it, but if they ever check out a hacked one make sure it is safe just in case!

Ive had issues with mint before, I belive I was using an Intel laptop when I faced the issue, are they on Intel ?

Games can be very annoying and yoi gotta then graphics down at least in my case :0 but in the future it will get a lot better :D have you tried the custom proton ?

Also sorry for the late reply, I have been busy ^^

Endorkend ,
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I guess they mean "how to make buggy messy often usermade Desktop distributions more popular."

As Linux itself is insanely popular, it's everywhere and runs everything. From the vast majority of server and network infrastructure to most phones.

possiblylinux127 ,

The Linux desktop is great for people who need a system that works with them. It is a little trickier explaining that to someone.

smileyhead ,

System76 (a laptop maker “rebrander”) is making their own desktop. Can’t think why ASUS, Lenovo or Dell could not contribute to some desktop or maintain their version.

Endorkend ,
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Because they'd need to support it or hire an assload of developers to bugfix and contribute to the projects they include in their distro.

And that's something those companies don't like doing.

System76 is a hardware vendor specifically created to cater to the Linux sphere.

TheFrirish ,

but they already do for their buggy ass apps like armory crate. I think that they are afraid to commit ressources for an OS that is barely used on desktop.

Endorkend ,
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Might we considered there may be a tiny difference in scope between an OS and an app like Armory Crate.

TheFrirish ,

Yeah an OS from Asus would probably just blow up. Even on Android they basically keep it close to AOSP with only a function here and there.

firecat ,

Another “Steam Deck is the reason” failure to cover the fact that once Steam Deck dies out it’s users also leave. Valve has awful hardware history and Steam Deck itself only runs games because they are the ones paying for Proton. It should not be controlled by a company that is known to make you lose your games.

Markaos ,

It should not be controlled by a company that is known to make you lose your games.

Are you referring to the fact that Valve promotes digital game distribution (which is a very fair view), or are you talking about some incident where Valve removed games from people’s libraries? Because if it’s the second one, then I would really like to hear about it.

firecat ,

Yes Valve has removed games, CSGO is gone, Artitic card game is gone, TF1 gone, etc. they are part of the Corporate World.

Markaos ,

CS:GO got a controversial update and got renamed. Old versions are still available under CS2, you just can’t use Valve’s servers anymore. Playing old versions on private servers is possible. But OK, I give you half a point for this one - you can’t play matchmaking with old smoke physics anymore (but then again, it’s not like it’s the first CS:GO update to change the gameplay in a fundamental way).

Moving on, Artifact. It’s in my library, ready to be played - Valve definitely didn’t “make me lose Artifact” like you claimed. The community is dead, but there are still 40 people playing right now according to SteamDB and servers are up. One point down for easily verifiable lie.

And finally, Team Fortress 1. I assume you don’t mean the Valve’s game called Team Fortress Classic, because that one is still available for purchase on the Steam Store and oscillates between 40 and 100 active players at any time. So that leaves us with Team Fortress, a mod for Quake. But that one is available from ModDB without any problems, so… What’s the issue supposed to be, exactly? No points, because I have no idea if there’s more to your claim.

Hint: blatantly lying about some points heavily undermines the other points you make. So at least try to be subtle.

firecat ,

No it’s you who is lying, you’re making shit up about alternate game instead of the original. The original is gone, you can’t play the original. It’s like saying portal 2 is the same game as 1, no it’s not.

Markaos ,

I’ve explained my reasoning for all the points I disagree with. Which one do you have a problem with? CS:GO? The last version of CS:GO is still available on Steam and fully playable, the only missing part is matchmaking servers - you can play with bots or on third party servers without any problems. That seems far from gone.

applepie ,

Valve money pulled Linux gaming a decade forward.

Gamers is what will make Linux go mainstream, mark my words.

Not even a corpo shill, check comment history but valve has been pro consumer while holding the market share. Most other companies are actively working against their customer base for some idiotic reason. Next up subscription toilet.

firecat ,

Valve has subscriptions you think CSGO loot and DOTA are free or something? Let me remind you that CSGO is also dead and replaced with CS2 with zero chance of playing the original. TF2 is never ever getting a update. TF1 is dead. Valve is part of the corporate system.

DmMacniel ,

Why would you think that the Steam Deck dies out? Isn’t it a huge cashcow to Valve compared to the Steam Box and the Steam Controller?

tabular ,
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Do we need to do anything? Microsoft updates do the bulk of the work - surely everyone has a last straw?

BaldProphet ,
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This is an extremely sheltered view. Most people don't even know what an operating system is, and they assume that it is an unalterable component of the computer they purchased at Best Buy. They don't have a last straw because as far as they're concerned there isn't anything they can do about it other than perhaps switching to a Mac.

tabular ,
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Hopefully most have a tech literate friend within their circle, and the wherewithal to test their assumptions. It falls to the tech literate create the alternatives and preach the values of software freedom.

possiblylinux127 ,

…and yet Linux is a thing

Linux was very obscure for a long time and now has moved to less popular. Honestly I think many tech savvy people will switch and the rest will be supported by some company making a product based on Linux.

admin ,
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As someone who uses Linux as a daily driver for both work and home, I have this very easy trick on making Linux more popular:

I don’t.

possiblylinux127 ,

I want it to be better for me. Everything else just happens to benefit others. Do to others as you would want to be treated or something like that.

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