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bionicjoey , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004

I know we all like to shit on what Canonical has become, but you have to respect just how much work they’ve put into the Linux ecosystem to make it more user friendly and mainstream over the years.

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Still using it.

thingsiplay ,

Agreed. Before the dark times, Ubuntu was the kickstarter for “wide” adoption to the “masses” (notice the quotes, lol) and making Linux even more accessible at that time. Similar to a degree of what Valve has an effect nowadays.

I actually never used the very first Ubuntu version and need to test it in a VM too. My first experience with Linux was probably Knoppix and my first installation SUSE Linux 9.2, but it was not ready back then. I switched to Linux full time by removing Windows XP and installing Ubuntu 8.04. Time definitely has passed, you can’t argue with that.

dallen ,

I was in those masses. They sent me a free CD in the mail when I was a teenager!

thingsiplay ,

Nice! I read about that they would sent CDs for no cost. Also in countries where internet infrastructure wasn’t there yet, they were giving out CDs for free locally in a bus in example, like advertisements. Having a millionaire backing up a distribution surely helped its adoption. :D Actually this was one of the reason why I had confidence in the future of Ubuntu, back then.

m4m4m4m4 , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004

I miss that Ubuntu. You know, the one when they took the “Linux for human beings” motto seriously.

mesamunefire , (edited )

I got a 6.0ish disk after giving them an email back in the day. I also remember the UI being easily modified. It was by far the easiest linux to get up and running with drivers for a couple of years.

h0bbl3s ,
@h0bbl3s@lemmy.world avatar

I remember when Ubuntu came out I was working in a PC repair shop. Not gonna give any opinion on this but the standard procedure for people wanting a fresh XP but didn’t have a license key was “well it’s $90 for a fresh install, or we can put a pirate pro corporate on it”. I e-mailed canonical and they sent me a whole stack of Ubuntu CDs in nice branded sleeves. I kept it by the register and started offering that as an alternative to piracy for people that didn’t have a license key and didn’t wanna fork over the cash for one, Not many people chose that option, but I had a lot of good talks with people and plenty of people took a CD to try the live Ubuntu. I hope some of them ended up making the switch. I’m kinda disgruntled with conical these days but I’m an old greybeard who grew up in Slackware. I still recommend Ubuntu to beginners along with fedora.

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Back when Ubuntu was Linux with naked people.

AlwaysTheir ,

Back when I used to donate money when new releases dropped.

boredsquirrel , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Nice screenshots and all.

But… are you trying to trigger us with these constant Windows + VirtualBox hints? XD

Sinclair-Speccy OP ,
@Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io avatar

@boredsquirrel No, not really. I actually use Mint on a seperate machine for programs that don’t work on Windows ^^;

thayer ,

I’ve enjoyed seeing some of these blasts from the past, but I admit it’s not as nice when the VM host window is captured as well. Just something to consider… I appreciate it all the same.

Sinclair-Speccy OP ,
@Sinclair-Speccy@fedia.io avatar

@thayer

@boredsquirrel I’ll do the screenshots without the windows stuff then ^^;

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Haha no problem :)

Checkout Virt-Manager on Linux.

thingsiplay ,

You can just cut the window border, to show the content of the VM. Doesn’t VirtualBox have a screenshot functionality for that? So you don’t need to edit the image or try to select with a border to capture the area. I used VirtualBox in the past (now on something better ;-) Quemu+Kvm+virt-manager), but totally forgot if it has this function at all.

nickb333 , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004
@nickb333@fedia.io avatar

Life before snap.

funkajunk , in boot order trouble with dual boot Windows/EndeavorOS/Debian
@funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

People normally warn against dual booting because of the headaches it can cause - you went and fucked up with triple boot.

autotldr Bot , in EXT4 Has A Very Nice Performance Optimization For Linux 6.11 (Phoronix)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


With the maturity of the EXT4 file-system it’s not too often seeing any huge feature additions for this commonly used Linux file-system but there’s still the occasional wild performance optimization to uncover… With Linux 6.11 the EXT4 file-system can see upwards of a 20% performance boost in some scenarios.

Ted Ts’o sent out the EXT4 updates today for Linux 6.11.

He explained in that pull request: "Many cleanups and bug fixes in ext4, especially for the fast commit feature.

Up to 20% faster for fast devices using async direct I/O thanks to JBD2 optimizations.

Indeed the patch from Huawei’s Zhang Yi to speed up jbd2_transaction_committed() shows off some great improvements:

It’s great continuing to see EXT4 uncover new performance optimizations.


The original article contains 144 words, the summary contains 120 words. Saved 17%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

zelifcam , (edited ) in I seem to have nuked my Debian DE (Gnome)... Could someone help me with this?
@zelifcam@lemmy.world avatar

Wow. The terms “nuked” and “bricked” seem to have lost the meaning I grew up with. What you provided is just a simple error.

It says dependency problem. Have you installed the dependency? It says:

Package linux-image-6.9.7+bpo-amd64-unsigned is not installed. … linux-headers-6.9.7+bpo-amd64 depends on linux-image-6.9.7+bpo-amd64 (= 6.9.7-1bpo12+1) | linux-image-6.9.7+bpo-amd64 -unsigned (= 6.9.7-1bpo12+1);

Maybe you’re doing too much at once. What happens when you just install the one kernel?


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install linux-image-6.9.7+bpo-amd64
</span>

Or maybe try to uninstall the new kernel and its headers. Make sure you have dkms installed and run the apt fix again.

Smorty OP , (edited )

When trying to install the one kernel I get exactly the same message as the first image in the post. The first error hints at an error in a posts installation script, which I have had issues with before. I used to delete these script to get over errors aaand that worked fine for some time. In case there has been some change in the error I’m getting, I haven’t picked up on it yet. Either way, here’s the output

https://files.catbox.moe/shx70q.jpg

EDIT: At the top of the message it says " Newest version already installed" so it seems to be blocking itself? Like I’m trying to install a package and it’s like -But I need that package to build this one-

zelifcam , (edited )
@zelifcam@lemmy.world avatar

I used to delete these script to get over errors aaand that worked fine for some time.

I can’t think of one time that I’ve done that in 20 years outside of repackaging applications for work because of crappy vendor supplied packages.

And you’re sure dkms and the headers are installed?

In situations like this, if bad enough I would usually temporarily remove mentioned packages until the apt fix works cleanly again and then reinstall whatever I was trying to do. But you’re saying you have removed post install scripts and manipulated packages? Hmm that seems like trouble.

I’m positive if I was infront of the terminal I could help you out, but I’m starting work for the day. Maybe someone else has a better idea. Sorry bro. But on a positive note, your system is certainly not beyond repair. This seems trivial with a little work and maybe someone who sees the issue better than I right now.

For others taking a look…. What was the command run before the apt fix?

Smorty OP ,

You speak of apt fix, what is that?

zelifcam , (edited )
@zelifcam@lemmy.world avatar

Your screenshot you posted first. The top command is:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install —fix-broken
</span>

That means you did something first and then found your way to that command

Smorty OP ,

Fair. The first thing I did was yesterday where I tried to add testing, experimental and unstable packages to apt. That didn’t quite work sonI reverted my changes my removing the .list files and recovering the previous default sources.list file. Then today In started up my PC and this was what I got, a black screen with a blinking white cursor. The apt-fix-broken is just something I picked up on during my many times I had to fix my distro… So that was one of the first things i tried after trying the startxcommand.

zelifcam ,
@zelifcam@lemmy.world avatar

Oh. Wow.

Yeah, when asking for help start with what you did.

Smorty OP ,

OK so when installing the the unsigned kernel, I get an error that the normal version isn’t installed. But when I try to install the normal version, it complains that the unsigned version isn’t installed…

Smorty OP ,

I have now taken a look at the Xorg log files and they seem to be complaining about it not finding the nvidia kernel module, even though I just installed the nvidia-driver package. This is the complete file content

/var/logs/Xorg.0.log[ 271.351] X.Org X Server 1.21.1.11 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 271.351] Current Operating System: Linux Marty-PC 6.9.7+bpo-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.9.7-1~bpo12+1 (2024-07-03) x86_64 [ 271.351] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.9.7+bpo-amd64 root=UUID=d4a79dc4-42f3-4ca3-a115-9e7fede5ab33 ro quiet splash nvidia-drm.modeset=1 [ 271.351] xorg-server 2:21.1.12-1 (https://www.debian.org/support) [ 271.351] Current version of pixman: 0.42.2 [ 271.351] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 271.351] Markers: (–) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 271.351] (==) Log file: “/var/log/Xorg.0.log”, Time: Thu Jul 18 20:00:51 2024 [ 271.351] (==) Using config file: “/etc/X11/xorg.conf” [ 271.351] (==) Using config directory: “/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d” [ 271.351] (==) Using system config directory “/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d” [ 271.352] (==) ServerLayout “Layout0” [ 271.352] (**) |–>Screen “Screen0” (0) [ 271.352] (**) | |–>Monitor “Monitor0” [ 271.352] (**) | |–>Device “Device0” [ 271.352] (**) | |–>GPUDevice “Device0” [ 271.352] (**) |–>Input Device “Keyboard0” [ 271.352] (**) |–>Input Device “Mouse0” [ 271.352] (**) Option “Xinerama” “0” [ 271.352] (**) Allowing byte-swapped clients [ 271.352] (==) Automatically adding devices [ 271.352] (==) Automatically enabling devices [ 271.352] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices [ 271.352] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices [ 271.352] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff [ 271.352] (WW) The directory “/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic” does not exist. [ 271.352] Entry deleted from font path. [ 271.352] (==) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, built-ins [ 271.352] (==) ModulePath set to “/usr/lib/xorg/modules” [ 271.352] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers ‘kbd’, ‘mouse’ or ‘vmmouse’ will be disabled. [ 271.352] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 [ 271.352] (WW) Disabling Mouse0 [ 271.352] (II) Loader magic: 0x559f2898ff00 [ 271.352] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 271.352] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 271.352] X.Org Video Driver: 25.2 [ 271.352] X.Org XInput driver : 24.4 [ 271.352] X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 [ 271.353] (++) using VT number 2 [ 271.355] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_32 [ 271.357] (–) PCI:*(1@0:0:0) 10de:1b83:10de:1b83 rev 161, Mem @ 0xd2000000/16777216, 0xc0000000/268435456, 0xd0000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x00003000/128, BIOS @ 0x???/131072 [ 271.357] (II) LoadModule: “glx” [ 271.357] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 271.357] (II) Module glx: vendor=“X.Org Foundation” [ 271.357] compiled for 1.21.1.11, module version = 1.0.0 [ 271.357] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 [ 271.357] (II) LoadModule: “nvidia” [ 271.358] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 271.358] (II) Module nvidia: vendor=“NVIDIA Corporation” [ 271.358] compiled for 1.6.99.901, module version = 1.0.0 [ 271.358] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 271.358] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 535.183.01 Sun May 12 19:35:37 UTC 2024 [ 271.358] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs [ 271.358] (II) Loading sub module “fb” [ 271.358] (II) LoadModule: “fb” [ 271.358] (II) Module “fb” already built-in [ 271.358] (II) Loading sub module “wfb” [ 271.358] (II) LoadModule: “wfb” [ 271.358] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so [ 271.358] (II) Module wfb: vendor=“X.Org Foundation” [ 271.358] compiled for 1.21.1.11, module version = 1.0.0 [ 271.358] ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 271.363] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the [ 271.363] (EE) NVIDIA: system’s kernel log for additional error messages and [ 271.363] (EE) NVIDIA: consult the NVIDIA README for details. [ 271.368] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the [ 271.368] (EE) NVIDIA: system’s kernel log for additional error messages and [ 271.368] (EE) NVIDIA: consult the NVIDIA README for details. [ 271.368] (EE) No devices detected. [ 271.369] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 271.369] (EE) no screens found(EE) [ 271.369] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 271.369] (EE) Please also check the log file at “/var/log/Xorg.0.log” for additional information. [ 271.369] (EE) [ 271.371] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.

zelifcam ,
@zelifcam@lemmy.world avatar

You left out the NVIDIA card part. This is super important. So you have two kernels in a bad state and the NVIDIA driver is probably not building out.

You’ve got a chicken and egg issue.

This isn’t a technical answer but simply a generalization of what probably needs to happen.

I would start over on whatever kernel situation you have going.

First uninstall the NVIDIA driver.

Then remove that unsigned kernel and its headers. Use the force option if necessary.

Ensure the base kernel and its headers are installed.

Reboot using standard kernel and then install nvidia-dkms package. Reboot.

It’s tough to tell you exactly what needs to be done because I’m not really sure what kind of damage you did or what the full extent of the errors are. You might need some force options or whatever but generally that’s all that needs to happen. YOU do not have a NVIDIA driver built for whatever kernel you’re using.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

a posts installation script, which I have had issues with before. I used to delete these script to get over errors aaand that worked fine for some time.

You da hero!

Please tell me that you also tinker with used cars.

kbal , in I seem to have nuked my Debian DE (Gnome)... Could someone help me with this?
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

It appears that you're trying to install a kernel for which dkms can't build the version of the v4l2loopback kernel module that you have.

I don't see why this would affect Gnome, but if it's causing problems for the rest of the system maybe try uninstalling v4l2loopback-dkms until you can get a version that works, or else use an older kernel.

Alternately, if you're feeling brave and this is the same version that's in debian stable right now, you could edit /usr/src/v4l2loopback-0.12.7/v4l2loopback.c and replace strlcpy with strscpy in two places.

GolfNovemberUniform , in EXT4 Has A Very Nice Performance Optimization For Linux 6.11 (Phoronix)
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Wow my favorite FS is still being developed. Nice

thingsiplay OP ,

Mine too. I could not bring myself to adopt a new or different FS at the moment. I wonder what “fast devices” and “slow” in this context means.

entropicdrift ,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

NVME SSDs vs HDDs, perhaps?

thingsiplay OP ,

Might be. It’s just guess work. My guess was maybe NVME SSD vs SATA SSD. Or maybe they refer to the CPU+RAM too.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Fedora people would say that BTRFS is better because it allows maintenance that EXT4 doesnt even have :)

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

I dislike Fedora anyways.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Then I guess I dislike YOUR MUM

(continuing on useless comments)

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Reported

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Haha okay fine if you want to XD I just made aware that such a comment is totally useless.

thingsiplay OP ,

I really like the idea of BTRFS and what it can do. For my recent system, build in end of 2023 (not a year ago) I really thought about and compared the systems, but end up using EXT4. Here some thoughts I had:

I want to use BTRFS as my main system FS, but I wasn’t sure which alternative FS to use (there are other contenders too), if I need the extra functionality, if its 100% stable for me on a non Fedora system and I also did not want to spent the time learning and experimenting with it, yet. But I will. And if other distributions I install or boot into would work well with BTRFS, if they are not on the newest Kernel yet.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

If you’re interested I have a fairly thorough “I use this” post on my website (last time I updated it was in early 2023) about btrfs.

thingsiplay OP ,

Sure! I’m interested into the “current” state or real world experience of it. Wouldn’t mind if you post it here. Although I am not sure how relevant it is 1 year later, because the filesystem is quite under development.

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Here you go: …virtadpt.net/…/experimenting-with-btrfs-in-produ…

That its under development means that it’s being maintained. EXT4 is still being developed, so is xfs. And the other ones that are fairly popular, for that matter.

thingsiplay OP , (edited )

Thanks. But it’s important to note your experience report is based on the experience of 2019 and the slight edits aren’t changing that. That its being developed is not the same as under maintenance. EXT4 is fully developed and there are only optimizations in performance expected, if anything, while BTRFS still needs active development to improve compatibility and some other features.

I’m still curious to how to work with it and such a report is still welcome. I’ll give it a read. Edit: Hopefully my reply didn’t sound too negative. I’m interested in the process of going all of this, so the article is useful in a practical sense.

soundconjurer ,
@soundconjurer@mstdn.social avatar

@thingsiplay @drwho , as soon as RAID5/6 is fully ready (and I am aware it looks like it'll never be), I'll be switching over to it.

narc0tic_bird ,

I’m not quite sure why people are still worried about the stability of btrfs when it has been rock solid for years. Synology has been using it for quite a while now in their NAS systems, they surely wouldn’t if it’d mean a lot of customers were at risk of losing their data.

There are valid reasons not to be using btrfs (although I’d argue most ordinary use cases don’t have a valid reason), but stability certainly isn’t one of them, independent of the distribution used (unless it’s ancient).

ArchAengelus ,

Wait til your table with all the checksums gets messed up on an “older” btrfs install. Happened to me on a VM because I didn’t know copy-on-write should be disabled for large frequently partially updated files. It also slowed that VMs IO down a lot.

Like most file systems, BTRFS is great if you know the edge cases. I recently moved to ZFS on my new work system, which has been a great change in terms of in-line snapshots and the like.

If EXT4 meets your needs, that’s awesome. If you understand how to use a different FS well or are willing to learn (and risk), I would also encourage other options as well.

thingsiplay OP ,

Note my research of BTRFS is almost a year old now. And there was still a few headlines making round of problems with BTRFS in some cases. A controlled NAS system is not the same as random user configuration of a random desktop user. And as said in my comment, I was not sure if it would be stable for my installation (when I did my research) and did not claim it to be unstable. On the other side, I know for a fact that EXT4 is stable and I did not research more or experiment to find out which one is better for me.

Current state of BTRFS: btrfs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/Status.html (note when I did my research, Linux was at Kernel v6.4, therefore BTRFS was in a worse situation than today)

narc0tic_bird ,

Tumbleweed people like me would say it’s a great filesystem because it enables snapper to work effortlessly.

jeffreyosborne , in boot order trouble with dual boot Windows/EndeavorOS/Debian

AFAIK you can just run os-prober in debian, and then you can launch endeavourOS from there.

Nimrod OP ,

Interesting… but that just replaces an existing step with another step. I’d like to reduce the overall steps to get to each system. And if I can’t do that, I’d at least like to switch the order to win>EOS>Deb

jeffreyosborne ,

I’d have a look at the archwiki and install GRUB on eos, and in your bios set eos to be the first boot option, and that will give you the grub boot menu with the option to boot eos, debian or windows.

Nimrod OP ,

Damn, that would be perfect. I’ll give that a go. Thanks

30p87 , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004

Even that looks and probably IS better than Windows is, was, or ever will be.

Magnolia_ , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

OpenSawWWWwwce

fionnafire , in GNOME vs KDE Plasma in 2024: which one is better for Linux beginners?
@fionnafire@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I started with gnome then moved to plasma, that’s probably a good way for beginners to go

TimeSquirrel , in I seem to have nuked my Debian DE (Gnome)... Could someone help me with this?
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Have you tried:

sudo apt-get install -f

?

Edit: you have, I'm stupid

TimeSquirrel , in Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 2004
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Ubuntu: an ancient African word, meaning "I can't install Debian".

BigMikeInAustin ,

Ouch!

lemmyvore ,

A lot of us were running Debian when Ubuntu came out. It was polished and integrated to a degree that Debian wasn’t. It became popular for very good reasons.

Penguincoder ,

Yep. And you could even be ‘extra’ and do cool effects with compiz et all. Fancy got noticed by others.

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