This looks pretty interesting! I haven’t used fedora before either so could be good to give it a go. I’ve had some issues with my Pop OS install so could be a good excuse to try something new.
I wasn’t able to find one. Which, if anyone saw my shitpost, is the real reason I installed it on my crapbook. I found out that the installer is pretty great, it just worked out of the box (at least on that computer, my gaming machine has an Nvidia graphics card…), and that GMOME isn’t really for me.
Seeing your post I was actually worried because next week I wanted to install Bazzite on my laptop. For me the download worked fine though, 3-4 MB/s, its the bazzite Asus nvidia image. So it seems more of a problem with your internet connection somehow, more specific to wherever they store downloads.
Are you downloading with a download manager that could retry connecting when it fails?
Yes. Admittedly I don’t have time to test if it really boots. I wanted to do that some time end of next week when I got a day off to take care of stuff.
Just to clear some misunderstandings, TLE did a performance test on this distro and it was pretty much the same in terms of FPS as other distros. Gaming distros like Bazzite are made for a faster and easier setup process because gaming tools and stores and preinstalled.
But that’s a legitimate reason for it to exist. A lot of people have reservations towards Linux because they’re concerned about the gaming experience. Making it smooth and easy is a good thing. Having said that, I just installed Steam on Mint and everything ran just fine. I only play Steam games on that machine, though.
I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable but yea we should promote Linux for gaming. It’s pretty good now.
I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable
Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? FYI, I’ve been using Fedora Atomic for over two years. So, please don’t feel the need to explain me how it works*.
I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?
anything that involves changes to the system
I’d argue “anything” is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.
However, I’d argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.
No. I know that installing a GTK theme requires putting the files in /usr/share/themes that is not in /home. That’s why I said it. As an advanced user I love customization and freedom so immutable distros are a no go for me (and for many people imo). I didn’t even bother trying.
However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.
This.
Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.
Ehh I prefer system-wide installation. I think it’s a habit from times when installing an Android app with root (so the OS treats it as a system app) increased its performance.
Thank you for sharing those links, I have been struggling with making rpm-ostree compose go from a yaml to an ISO, these look like they might reduce the level of effort!
FWIW, last year, through what became BlueBuild eventually, I had my own image with all kinds of modifications within a weekend. And, perhaps most curiously, I was a total noob when it comes to containerfiles, github, git etcetera. So, if I somehow managed, then you should definitely be fine.
Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it? It’s just not for me and I don’t want to waste my time reinstalling everything. And my opinion isn’t completely proven without trying but I have theoretical knowledge.
Why would I use a system that isn’t supposed to change if I want to change it?
There’s a bunch of benefits, atomic updates, intrinsic rollback, security of immutability, safe automatic updating and it goes on. Some things are not quite ready yet, e.g. things like sddm which should probably install themes to /etc (which they’re working on), so as often happens in linux, workarounds ensue. Making one directory mutable does not destroy all the benefits.
Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.
So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.
I’m a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through dnf is simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances between rpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox and flatpak. And I haven’t even delved into ujust and brew that are found on uBlue images.
Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:
rpm-ostree ; I know –apply-live exists and I know systemctl soft-reboot exists. But still, if you have to resort to rpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with –apply-live) are inconvenient compared to dnf.
flatpak ; It’s inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.
Toolbx/Distrobox ; the fact that you’d have to setup quadlets (or simply rely on uBlue images to do it for you) to keep them up to date, up and running is an inconvenience. The fact that distrobox-export has to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your ‘App Drawer’ is an inconvenience.
The fact that there’s no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.
I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.
Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.
I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service, didn’t need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).
Though credit where credit is due. At this point, so well-beyond the adaption phase, I simply don’t see myself use anything else. This is my home. Though I have to admit my serious interest in QubesOS (and the upcoming Spectrum OS).
Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.
Agree. I’m at least thankful that it’s a lot better than it used to be. Like two years ago, when as a total noob to Linux, I decided to cold turkey quit Windows and installed Fedora Silverblue on my machine. Well…, those first two weeks were pretty traumatic 😂. And, back then, there was not a lot out there. Luckily, I found this article that helped me to grasp the basics. And it has been smooth sailing ever since.
I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service
That’s pretty cool (and straightforward). Why didn’t I think of that 😂? But yeah, quadlets FTW.
Hehe. I agree that the community on Lemmy gives off more mature vibes. I suppose one should at least credit them for being idealistic enough to be on Lemmy rather than Reddit.
GNOME Software but it only has Flatpaks which my machine can’t quite run smoothly. It’s weird that I use the GNOME ecosystem without Flatpaks though. Anyways I just use the AUR on my system that’s based on Arch btw.
I set up a bazzite HTPC specifically because of its immutability and smoother user experience. The steam deck also locks down the package manager because this yields a more predictable environment.
I still don’t think there will be a difference. I tried distros with various schedulers and didn’t notice a major positive difference except for the DE smoothness that was unbeatable on CachyOS.
I didn’t measure 1% lows but I noticed that regular distros (specifically Fedora and Arch based ones) performed noticeably better in terms of overall FPS.
Fedora did have an older kernel but other distros were Arch based so always new kernels. Also I have to mention that CachyOS focuses on x86_64-v3 that my machine doesn’t support so results can be very different on newer hardware.
On one hand, I think some data is better than no data, so I think its fair to say that there is a lack of evidence for it being better in terms of in-game performance after setup based on it and that should just be the null assumption anyways.
On the other hand, its been over a decade since its been pretty well known that average FPS is not necessarily reflective of overall performance and throwing the frametime data into a spreadsheet and doing =percentile([range],.99) and =percentile([range],.999) and then dragging it to neighboring cells seems like a pretty minimal extra work for a commercialized channel. For niche testing like this, I’m less bothered by it because having some results seems better than nothing, but its still nice to see it pointed out.
I installed Bazzite on a sibling’s thinkpad and it was amazing. Chose KDE, out of the box, it was amazing. Fingerprint fprint was pre installed, just had to scan them in settings. Battery management and power level settings (power save or performance) were also already installed. Everything has been flawless. Even full disk encryption works amazingly well without hiccups. I remember trying it on Ubuntu and it bricked itself or something and gave up on it.
Dual booting it and installation was a walk in the park.
Because people suggest distros based on their preference, not what is best suited in a given situation.
On one hand Mint is limited to X11 for now and surprise surprise “dealing with multiple monitors is horrible on Linux”. On other hand they’re on NVIDIA. This is close to not be the case, but X11 was a hard requirement for decades
From my experience using Plasma 6+ and a NVIDIA card, I keep HDR on on my main display (Odyssey Neo G7).
No issues with washed out colours on the desktop, everything looks fine
I can watch HDR videos using the included Haruna player or MPV.
Firefox has no HDR support outside Mac OS, so no HDR on YouTube.
For games, it depends. Some games can detect HDR and work fine, but for most I have to use gamescope, which in itself brings some issues like not having the Steam overlay, games freezing randomly or just having terrible performance due to niceness (everything has a workaround though, but that requires some tinkering). Check my comments about the issues and workarounds
For game scope running HDR, there's a lot of people and guides telling you to use countless flags that don't really do anything at all. The best thing to do is to read its documentation. I use the following flags as startup parameters on my Steam games:
gamemoderun just enables game-mode, which can bring some small performance improvements.
-W -H -r flags are to determine resolution and desired refresh rate. You might be able to omit those flags but I have had some issues with that.
--hdr-enabled is the only flag needed to get HDR working. Nothing else. (except from enabling it on your DE)
--hdr-itm-enable --hdr-itm-sdr-nits are for inverse tone mapping for non HDR games, it's the same as Windows Auto HDR.
-f is full-screen, but to be fair I don't think this one is doing anything, but I need to test better.
-e is to enable Steam integration, which should be the overlay and input, but its broken (there's a workaround, check the last comment made by me there)
--mangoapp is to run mangohud, this flag is preferred over running mangohud before %command%. It's partially broken this way because it does not dispaly the GPU or gamemode info. Running it as mangohud works 100% fine but apparently there are some issues with it that are beyond my knowledge.
I hope they continue learning lessons from other OSes.
I’m feeling like you are wrong about them outright copying. Some good things can be taken from macOS and Windows. But a lot of bad things too, which is why they are thinking it through.
Please do not reduce the community effort to “cloning macOS”. It’s insulting to the people working on it… Apple doesn’t own modals or modal design.
Here there are not 20 ways of putting 3 buttons in a modal. They just happen to choose a way that will also work on mobile I guess.
Kudos for noticing this extra space which could enhance these kind of modals though.
I don’t like everything Gnome has been doing, especially with the lack of customization or the status bar. But Gnome has been my go to for 7+ years and I like where it is going. Extensions are pretty fly too 👌
Please do not reduce the community effort to “cloning macOS”. It’s insulting to the people working on it…
Well, it’s insulting for people to lose their work because someone did a lousy UX job. :)
Cloning macOS should not be views as something “bad” because for what’s worth we all know Apple spends a LOT in usability research (they’re not as good as they used to be, but still better than the rest).
Kudos for noticing this extra space which could enhance these kind of modals though.
That’s the thing, I’ve basic design / UX training and all the literature on action buttons with dangerous effects tells you to add a margin. Any design undergraduate should also be able to notice that life saver as well… however the GNOME team totally missed it.
This isn’t the first time them failing at basic UX and they don’t like when people try to suggest improvements nor when they later on criticize them.
Just because you like apple doens’t mean that apple does a perfect job and GNOME should copy it. GNOME does a lot of thing better than apple. And microsoft also does a couple of things better than apple. Apple isn’t perfect and microsoft isn’t all bad
Sometimes when you get UI experts and users and engineers in the same room they iterate to similar outcomes because its the logical conclusion. Apples design in this case isn’t ground breaking or even original.
If multiple species of jumping spider can independently evolve the ability to see red from different branches of their family tree, multiple dev teams can come to the same conclusion about what is more comfortable for reaching with consideration for left and right handed people on various types of screens.
The problem is so scoped these days, its fairly logical for UIs to come to the same outcome.
Both designs are good imo. Adding the extra space for the “cancel” button could cause a copyright claim so I think that’s a viable reason why it’s absent in GNOME. And I don’t see anything wrong in copying Apple design. They can do what they want and the new design is very nice in terms of ease of understanding and accessibility potentials. GNOME’s workflow is similar to Apple’s so why not copy some more things for better consistency?
I get it that you hate this design and its obvious strong inspiration by Apple but accusing GNOME team in being lazy is too much. They created the most popular and one of the most stable DEs on Linux and their own workflow that’s similar to Apple’s but still is unique. Also when I saw that new design, I was amazed. To me it looks really great. It’s going to be a good update with accent color support (I won’t fight about it ok?) for sure. It’s just a matter of preference. Both designs are good enough technically imo.
I don’t hate it, it looks better than what was there before, no doubts there, but at the same time they could’ve just made it better.
All the literature on action buttons with dangerous effects tells you to add margins, accents and shades. Any design undergraduate should be aware of this, however the GNOME team totally missed it.
It’s going to be a good update with accent color support (I won’t fight about it ok?)
It’s funny that you mention that because…
In macOS, you can specify an accent color to customize the appearance of your app’s buttons, selection highlighting, and sidebar glyphs. The system applies your accent color when the current value in General > Accent color preferences is multicolor. support.apple.com/en-mt/guide/mac-help/…/mac
I’m totally okay with “being inspired” (cloning) macOS, it should be viewed as good thing because Apple does spend a lot in UX research however lets make thing properly.
I don’t hate it, it looks better than what was there before, no doubts there, but at the same time they could’ve just made it better.
How? Improving something like this is hard. Do you have any proposals?
All the literature on action buttons with dangerous effects tells you to add margins, accents and shades. Any design undergraduate should be aware of this, however the GNOME team totally missed it.
I’m afraid to tell you that in 2024 nobody cares about that. “Shape following feeling” in MD is the best example I can think of. Now aesthetics is preferred to make people buy (or use for free in this case) the product. People are not tech savvy. They want good looks and GNOME nailed it imo. It’s stunning. They even got me but I do care about aesthetics unfortunately. I’m a spoilt mass consumer. Eject me if you will.
accent color
Accent color taboo. Let’s not talk about accent color.
How? Improving something like this is hard. Do you have any proposals?
I’ve submitted a fair share of UX in-depth analysis with examples and links to literature on the GNOME team blog and they tend to ignore / comment dismissingly and then remove my comments after a few weeks.
Accent color taboo. Let’s not talk about accent color.
Hardly, but I’m guessing you’re thinking of reliability instead. Not really surprising when it’s so stripped down that vanilla GNOME is pretty much unusable. When you extend it, in order to get a proper DE, that goes right out the window.
That fact makes it especially funny that vanilla GNOME is by far the fattest DE around. How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.
Ubuntu, RHEL and Fedora use it as the default and they are very big distros. Idk if it’s enough but that’s what I know.
Hardly, but I’m guessing you’re thinking of reliability instead.
Idk. KDE was unstable for me and it always has bugs after major releases. They should test things better.
Not really surprising when it’s so stripped down that vanilla GNOME is pretty much unusable.
Personal opinion.
That fact makes it especially funny that vanilla GNOME is by far the fattest DE around.
Deepin.
How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.
You have a point here. Qt is better in terms of efficiency afaik and performance is extremely important for an OS component. But hey at least it’s getting better over time.
How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.
It can happen when you have to develop all your technology on your own instead of relying on the work of a hundred-million dollar company that does the heavy lifting for you.
We shouldn’t design desktops to avoid copyright claims. Desktops should just create original designs that make sense for the goals of the desktop. We don’t need to make changes based on Windows 11 or Mac OS. They aren’t separate entirely and irrelevant.
When you copy the outcome is almost always going to be worse than the original. Do your own thing and be the person or project you want to be. You don’t need to care outside of the project.
This. But 99% of the internet will hate your project for absolutely anything they don’t like in it and it will kill the project because distros won’t want to use it.
I have no idea about apple design guidelines and am not a UX designer, but wouldn’t a horizontal seperator look better? In gtk i would add one here, gives some extra space and more visual seperation.
I don’t completely disagree with you, however the cost of losing an important document because you clicked on the wrong thing is way higher than having to look at the extra space every day.
I don’t use KDE as my daily driver but it’s on my SteamDeck and I haven’t once been trying to change a setting or something and encountered a window that looks like Windows XP because no one at a whole multi-trillion dollar company could be bothered to update it. It’s way better than Windows 11.
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