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pmk , in GNOME June 2024: C'mon you can do better

The founder of GNOME, Miguel de Icaza, stopped using Linux in favor of macOS in 2014 iirc. That makes me guess that the macOS design was at least acceptable to him. Maybe the visions were similar enough.

MrAlagos ,

What does the founder of GNOME have to do with GNOME in 2022? He worked for Microsoft for 6 years.

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html

That’s definitely interesting.

ssm , in GNOME June 2024: C'mon you can do better
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If you’re going to give GNOME shit, at least let it before how much they destroy portability of GTK, enabling cancer like Client Side Decorations, and ignoring their community when it comes to things like desktop icons.

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Client Side Decorations, and ignoring their community when it comes to things like desktop icons.

Well I’ve complained about those a couple of time… but people always say that it’s their vision.

possiblylinux127 ,

They made GTK4 portable thanks to the gnome design being moved to Libadwaita.

MXX53 , in GNOME June 2024: C'mon you can do better

I started on gnome. I love it at first, but as time has gone on my experience with gnome had gotten worse and worse, and my KDE experience keeps getting better. It’s a real shame because I actually tend to prefer the gnome look at feel, but KDE has been so much more usable for me in recent years.

unknowing8343 ,

It’s very easy to get a Gnome look and feel with Plasma nowadays.

I still don’t know why Gnome loves wasting 3 % of the screen on an empty black bar, tho.

secret300 ,

Yeah ngl I don’t get using the entire space fore almost nothing. I use a few extensions to fill it up and make it more useful

MXX53 ,

That is true. But I have an overall better experience getting KDE to look like gnome.

unknowing8343 ,

That’s what I said.

MXX53 ,

Lol that is what you said. My bad. Must have read it wrong. That’s on me.

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

I’m kind of on the same boat you’re… however KDE tends to have issues with visual proportions and margins everywhere.

rwhitisissle , in Custom Linux Distribution just for Gaming

As someone who has done a lot of distro hopping in the past, I’ve found that going for a stable release that is widely used as a daily driver is superior for gaming than “gaming specific” linux distros, largely on the basis that the gaming distros have routinely had buggy UIs, driver issues, and a variety of unexpected and undesired behavioral problems tied to the array of “gaming adjacent” software installed, most of which you can install yourself with little to no effort and most of which you probably don’t want or need in the first place.

TeryVeneno ,

Thankfully, bazzite is both, the community has gotten rather large lately so support has been good.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Too bad they use discord :(

possiblylinux127 ,

It is a gaming related community after all. There is less ethical and privacy concerns in that crowd from my experience. Not to say that it is bad as there is a community for everything.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

You dont need to care about privacy to realize a platform like discord is not a good idea for any type of software project. Or any project.

possiblylinux127 ,

I just know it is popular with gamers

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I mean yes, but at least their Discord is externally archived/indexed and they have a Discorse Forum. None of those are my preferences but it’s better than nothing.

makingStuffForFun , (edited )
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

Thank you. I’m out. I have no idea why open source software projects use discord and slack.

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Well I use bazzite and it is great. Ublue is awesome even with their poor choice of comms

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The thing is, Bazzite isn’t really a distro in it’s own right, which they admit themselves. It is essentially Fedora with a bit extra on top, and it gets all the updates Fedora does at the same time. It seems like they’re trying to “solve” some of the issues with other gaming distros. As far as pre-installed software, it comes with Steam and Lutris pre-installed. Sure, there are some linux gamers out there that don’t need those, but the vast majority will use them. Apart from those, it has the graphics drivers pre-installed for your system, based off your iso choice. Everything else is installed by choice through a first-boot wizard.

jbk ,

So is it pretty much an unofficial Spin then?

princessnorah ,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, based off the atomic desktop versions, as it’s immutable.

barsquid ,

It’s atomic! If the latest version you try has issues you can roll back to the last one that was working. It’s really cool. You cannot write to anything other than /etc and /var unless you make a reversible commit on top of the system base image.

aaaaace , in People doing the 30 days linux Challenge are having several problems because of Mint's old packages and technology. Why people still recommend it when there is Fedora and Opensuse with KDE and Gnome?

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Sentau , (edited ) in GNOME June 2024: C'mon you can do better

Here’s the thing: Apple’s design you’ll find that they carefully included an extra margin between the “Don’t Save” and “Cancel” buttons. This avoid accidental clicks on the wrong button so that people don’t lose their work when they just want to click “Cancel”.

And gnome has those dialogs in a different colour to achieve easily noticable differentiation between the two options

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

The issue there isn’t only differentiation, that well done, the issue is that an user might miss click because both buttons are close to each other.

Sentau , (edited )

That same logic could be applied for the save and discard button. Should there be a bigger gap between them lest somebody misclick and discard things instead of saving them¿? Atleast in the case where they accidentally click cancel instead of discard, they are not losing any data.

Hell if this really about data safety, discard/don’t save should be the isolated button because it is the only destructive option

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

According to the UX experts you don’t need the space between the save and discard buttons as long as the “save” is the first one. Missclick are more prone to happen from top to bottom than the other way around, so if the user wanted to hit “save” it’s more likely he will click above the button than it is to click “discard”. Same logic applied down there, when the using is looking to cancel it’s easier to missclick and hit the “discard” button than anything else.

Sentau ,

Can you share any study for this. If this is true, it is fascinating and worth looking into in more depth

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

This is an application of Fitts’s law. I saw some paper referencing it to back that kind of margins on destructive actions but I don’t remember the title.

Sentau ,

Well fitts law doesnt mention anything about asymmetrical spacing anywhere. Infact going by fitts law, the new gnome design is great because the hitboxes are pretty large

TCB13 OP ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what the paper was about, the law also applies the in reverse, adding the space protects the user because it makes it harder to click on the hitbox.

Frostbeard , (edited ) in People doing the 30 days linux Challenge are having several problems because of Mint's old packages and technology. Why people still recommend it when there is Fedora and Opensuse with KDE and Gnome?

I installed Mint (no idea mint was old tbh) looked into Gentoo and tried the live boot USB option. 'This looks nice, no how do I install" The install option opened a web page (gentoo wiki) with several options for guides based on various permutations. All options send you in a ring without actually telling me how to install.

I went back to Mint as it does the few things I need a PC to do these days:

Some kind of office suite with spreadsheet and word processor, Steam, Netflix and Prime, Firefox

Added bonus is that it runs MegaMek natively AND i don’t need to read pages of documentation, just click install.

areyouevenreal ,

Why the fuck would you try Gentoo as a Linux noob? I am guessing no one told you it was for advanced Linux users only. Fedora and OpenSUSE are nowhere near as difficult to install as Gentoo, as they are made for normal users.

Evrala ,

Gentoo was my second linux Distro ever some time in 2003 or 2004.

Installed it by printing out the full install doc, which was like 30 or 40 pages, and starting up a stage one install. I got through the entire install by following the instructions because the documentation was that good.

I remember having a problem and hopping on an irc chat to ask for help and people there being baffled about the basic level questions I was asking while having a working Gentoo install.

TheRedSpade ,

Yeah, even the “difficult” distributions tend to just be a matter of following instructions to get a working installation. Gentoo was a massive PITA to maintain though. Chances are I was missing some knowledge that would’ve simplified things, but I spent way too much time on maintenance for the system to actually be useful. Arch has been much kinder.

uis , (edited )

and starting up a stage one install.

Dear Faust.

Difficulty:

  • Easy
  • Medium
  • Hard
  • Nightmare
  • > Novichok

I thought you went with minimalcd, opened handbook in links(browser) and installed stage3.

I remember having a problem and hopping on an irc chat to ask for help and people there being baffled about the basic level questions I was asking while having a working Gentoo install.

Self-perpetuating circle of “Gentoo is not for noobs” stereotype.

uis ,

Gentoo is good at explaining how system works.

Daxtron2 ,

Well you went from one of the easiest to one of the more complicated distros so thats not surprising. There’s a lot of distros thst are just as simple to install as mint, you don’t need to mess around with arch and gentoo unless you’re planning on becoming a real Linux enthusiast.

uis , (edited )

All options send you in a ring without actually telling me how to install.

Don’t know. I was installing Gentoo in 6th grade of school with poorly-translated gentoo handbook.

EDIT: had wrong quote

menemen ,

If it doesn’t provide a benefit for them, why should they bother? I understand why a teenager would, I would have as a teenager. But as an adult? Who got time for this?

uis ,

It was counterpoint to “send you in a ring without actually telling me how to install”. It does.

I also agree that installing it is rather lengthy.

MonkeMischief ,

Added bonus is that it runs MegaMek natively

This is always a fun thing to read in the wild. Keep on stompin’, MechWarrior! O7 (salute)

Gentoo might have been quite a leap! :p I wanna try it some day as a challenge but it’s def intimidating.

I run Tumbleweed on my main rig and love how crazy stable it is for being cutting edge. Endeavour OS is also cool for this. Both great communities too.

But agree with you on Mint. It’s just a really nice smooth experience. So far it’s on my “little media laptop I won’t update much, need to be reliable, and will probably hand to family on occasion”, and I can trust it’s just gonna work.

BCsven , in Linux in the military
dinckelman , in how easy is it to install arch?

If you have reading comprehension of, at least, an 8th-grader, you’ll do just fine. The instructions are all there

MajorMajormajormajor ,

at most, an 8th-grader

Phew, looks like my 6th grade education is finally paying off!

RandomLegend , in how easy is it to install arch?
@RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Takes just over a minute… How hard can it be

thingsiplay , in how easy is it to install arch?
emergencyfood , in People doing the 30 days linux Challenge are having several problems because of Mint's old packages and technology. Why people still recommend it when there is Fedora and Opensuse with KDE and Gnome?

Mint works. Most alternatives don’t. I can install Mint on a total newbie’s system, and not have to worry about something breaking two weeks later. Hell, most newbies can install Mint if you give them the USB.

On a deeper level, I think Mint devs are one of the few teams that understand the ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ philosophy.

je_skirata , in how easy is it to install arch?

It’s easy if you can follow directions, hard if you don’t have directions, impossible if you don’t have directions and don’t know what you’re doing; archinstall is effortless.

neidu2 , in how easy is it to install arch?

Pretty easy. It’s not so much using intuition as it is reading step-by-step instructions. If you can use a cook book, you can install arch.

Source: I use once installed arch, btw

whostosay ,

Add a pinch of salt l, and a smidgen of sugar later

neidu2 ,

Serve after breaking your dependencies to taste

Pacmanlives , in how easy is it to install arch?

It’s not to bad as others are saying. Real question is to why you don’t want to use the installer?

They are quite good. I just used one for a Gentoo install because I have better things to do with my time. Can I do it for the millionth time sure by hand sure but what’s the point? End result is more consistent than me as a human doing it by hand

haroldstork ,

I always manage to forget the locale or NetworkManager or set a password for root etc… Unless you have a hyper-specific partitioning scheme or system config these work great

Reddfugee42 ,

You always forget to set a password for root?

catastrophicblues ,

Exactly. archinstall is pretty nice, and if you want the frustration of dealing with random errors, it’s still there. But it’s straightforward (but keep the docs handy since you’ll likely need them).

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