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uzay , in Is there a Linux mail app that's similar to the default one in Windows 10/11
nakal , in Is there a Linux mail app that's similar to the default one in Windows 10/11
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What do you mean? Thunderbird is the default mail application on Windows for me. I didn't even know there is something else.

Hunt3r , in some notes on my Void Linux installation

Is it just my app freaking out or is this post 2 years old?

Murks , (edited )

This makes lemmy almost not usable for me. If I sort posts by active or hot, I get 80% posts that are older than 2 years. Always with new comments.

I belive that fixing the sorting algorithms is extremely important for lemmys success.

meteokr ,
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But if a post is receiving discussion, then it IS active. Back in the olden days we would waylay people for not using the search to find previous posts rather than make a new one. If a thread is active and relevant, its age shouldnt just blast it out of existence.

The constant churn of “only new posts are relevant, anything older than a day is functionally archived” of the modern internet landscape is a bad thing in my opinion.

Murks , (edited )

Of course posts older than a day are still useful. But how useful is an experience report on an OS that is over 2 years old? I have no idea about Void Linux, but whenever I seek a tutorial on something, I limit the search to 1 year, because stuff changes. Take the discussions on VPNs recently for example. For many people a lot changed due to policy changes from some VPNs. All threads regarding those VPNs that are older than 3 months should be viewed as archived.

One could argue that a post from programming humor is still as funny as it was 2 years ago. But I don’t want to see the same post over and over again, just because someone wrote a comment in it. And old posts aren’t gone and can be found if one wants to. But I don’t want posts to stay on my front page for years.

Ascend-910 , in Is there a Linux mail app that's similar to the default one in Windows 10/11
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Maybe you want to try MailSpring, It is very customisable, and there are many different pre-configured layouts to choose from

tamas , in Is there a Linux mail app that's similar to the default one in Windows 10/11

Mailspring is not native, but looks more or less native (depending on why you prefer a native app, this might work).

z00s , in My little brother loves the dualboot setup I installed for him. He says "It's like iOS"

I still maintained that Linus fucked up those Linux videos on purpose. Not sure why but for a guy in the tech industry he really played dumb.

Really pissed me off. What has he got against Linux?

gamebuster , (edited )

Blaming Linus for breaking Linux is what’s wrong with the Linux community. You guys are so blind to the obvious glaring issues with Linux Desktop that any time something goes wrong, it must have been the user who did something stupid.

Sure, you CAN get it working the first time without issues, but the amount of times I tried Linux Desktop without any issues is 0. Every single time I installed Linux, I had some kind of breaking issue. I have tried multiple times between 2007 and 2021 and I’ll likely try again soon, but don’t kid yourself that people “play dumb” or something. Linux is as stable as the user makes it, and with instable, fragile, incompetent users (like most new users) come a fragile OS that cannot be relied upon.

I’m 100% sure if I try to install Ubuntu Desktop right now on my desktop, I’ll again encounter some BS thing that just doesn’t work like it should. Maybe the audio won’t work, or bluetooth just drops out constantly, or it randomly freezes, or YT videos don’t play at any decent framerate. Maybe everything works fine, but in 4 days some random thing doesn’t. And once some thing doesn’t work, you’ll have to waddle through a sea of sudo commands that you have no clue what they’re doing and you either fix the issue or break something else.

Note that I specifically mention Linux Desktop every time. Linux as a Server is great.

featured ,

It’s true, I’m somebody who has run DIY distros daily for years and decided to try out Debian on a spare computer recently. I couldn’t even update the system after the initial install. It took me like forty minutes to find a thread which explained to me that Debian 12 has a bug with some raspi firmware that requires you to delete three files before apt will work, and there is 0 indication on the paths themselves, just people who have figured it out and were generous enough to share the knowledge. You can’t blame new users for those things, we as a community need to improve the software and the attitudes

PotatoesFall ,

I’ve had a very similar experience. It’s always something, drivers, video codecs, you name it. If it gives you any confidence, it’s happened less and less as I’ve gained more experience and I’m daily driving fedora now.

I wonder if some people have just been so lucky to never have issues.

z00s ,

don’t blame Linus

incompetent users

Which one is it?

All those claims you make about things not working in 2023 is ridiculous. I’ve been using various distros since 2009 and maybe you could have claimed those things back then. But if you can’t make Linux work at least as easily as windows in 2023, that’s on you.

Linus demonstrated his willful ignorance right from when he ignored that warning in the command prompt.

Linux: WARNING DONT DO THIS Linus: well I guess I’m going to have to do that. Linux: breaks Linus: Linux sucks

Fanboys: LINUX SUX LINUX SUX LINUX SUX LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

kitsastro ,
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@z00s

@gamebuster

to think that even more people are still talking about this

BCsven ,

This is where I suggest OpenSUSE, since it shares binaries and matched release cycle with SUSE it is highly stable, and nVidia provides a direct download for the drivers. Not saying it is perfect, but it is much more dependable than cobbling together your own distro.

mnemonicmonkeys ,

I’m 100% sure if I try to install Ubuntu Desktop right now on my desktop, I’ll again encounter some BS thing that just doesn’t work like it should

I installed Ubuntu a few months back and I honestly don’t see where anything could go wrong assuming you were remotely familuar with installing any OS, even if you’ve only worked with windows.

Hell, getting separate devices like printers to vonnect were even wasier on Linux than Windows. O Windows I had to go to manufacturer sites to install bullshit bloatware to get things to work righr, while on Linux they literally just worked immediately - I had to the 1 button to tell Linux to connect and that was it.

stappern , in Is there a Linux mail app that's similar to the default one in Windows 10/11

Geary?

dannyboy5498 , in Need Advice on Best OOTB Experience for Gaming/Programming/Media Server Rig

Give reborn os a go. It’s like Garuda but you can customize how you want with a multitude of options with the installer. It’s what I’m using and I think it would fit your needs and wants.

moon_crush , in Jeff Geerling stops development for Redhat

I can’t believe how many people fundamentally misunderstand the spirit behind the GPL.

It helps to consider “the software” as a single snapshot in time, with the GPL’s intention that the consumer may make their own fixes, rebuild, and redistribute. Check.

Remember: “Free as in freedom, not free as in beer.” Selling open source software has always been explicitly allowed, as long as you make the source available to those who receive it. Check.

What the GPL does NOT provide is guaranteed access to maintenance and future versions of said software. Again, it applies to a snapshot, as delivered.

In a nutshell, the customer receives open source everything they FOR A PARTICULAR VERSION.

I see no problem — either in spirit or letter — in Redhat’s approach here.

federico3 ,

This is debatable. The GPL allow redistribution of a given version of the software without additional restriction. If the user receives that copy knowing in advance that redistribution will lead to retaliatory actions this can be treated as an additional restriction.

Wizlock ,

Ok, yes as far as I understand they are not breaking the GPL, but it’s still a d**k move as it leaves downsteam projects/distros in a mess of a situation. While technically allowed, I’m with Jeff on this one.

AgreeableLandscape ,
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weavejester ,

The problem is that the GPL states:

You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients’ exercise of the rights granted herein.

Red Hat are arguing that they are free to punish customers from exercising their rights under the GPL, and that punishment does not constitute a “restriction”, even though its done specifically to discourage people from exercising those rights. Whether Red Hat have found a loophole is something for the courts to decide, but it’s clearly against the intention and spirit of the GPL.

enoent ,

The GPL requires that you do not put additional limits on a user’s rights to redistribute.

Saying “you have the right, but we’ll cut ties” isn’t really in keeping with the spirit of that.

I suspect, if it ever ended up in court, they’d agree yhat there’s no guarantee of access to future versions, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a shitty and cynical take that flies against what FOSS has traditionally stood for.

moon_crush ,

We can agree to disagree. “The Software” was delivered, source included. And you as end consumer are free to redistribute and maintain as you wish.

However, I cannot see any contract law judgement that would force continuation of a subscription model on the vendor (in perpetuity!) if they do not wish to remain under contract.

beta , in Anyone install Linux on a Chromebook?

Yeah, a couple of times, the easiest way is to run it along side Chrome OS with crouton. Although, if you have a Chromebook with an Intel (or AMD? - not sure on this) CPU, you can use Mr. Chromebox’s scripts to install a full UEFI.

someguy3 OP ,

Yeah I was wondering if it was Intel only.

julianh , in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

#1 is just not being the default for 99% of devices. If someone gets a new computer, why would they go through the effort of installing a new os when the one it comes with works fine? Hell, I bet at least 50% of people in the market for a pc don’t even know what an OS is.

jimmy90 ,

Agreed. Android and chrome os are used happily by 10s of millions without any idea it’s a Linux distro

julianh ,

I bet if small, cheap netbooks came out running mint or fedora or something people wouldn’t even or know or care that it was Linux.

user224 ,

In middle school I had a USB drive with Linux Mint installed on it which I was using on school PCs. We only used those PCs for internet browsing and office. Not a single soul noticed it wasn’t Windows. Teacher only noticed 2 differences, “You have different version of Office installed here.” and also gave me a note for “Changing wallpaper” which was strictly prohibited for some reason.

SexualPolytope , (edited )
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which was strictly prohibited

It was probably due to some goober like me changing it to Scarlett Johansson’s bikini pics. I’m sorry.

BaconIsAVeg ,

So… the Steamdeck?

julianh ,

…the steamdeck isn’t a netbook.

jimmy90 ,

Absolutely. In fact i think everyone is hoping steam os will be the distro to make the big push onto desktop because of the gaming and another just works kind of interface

PlutoniumAcid ,
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Indeed, many Netbooks come with a firmware dual boot. Besides the crappy Windows lite edition, there’s a tiny instant-on Linux too. Most people don’t use that, but it’s there.

PlutoniumAcid ,
@PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed, many Netbooks come with a firmware dual boot. Besides the crappy Windows lite edition, there’s a tiny instant-on Linux too. Most people don’t use that, but it’s there.

snooggums ,
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Which actually means Linux is being successfully adopted by the general public in a similar way to windows as a general use system that doesn't require a lot of technical knowledge.

Fully customizable distress will never be popular with the general public. They want systems that just do the general stuff and have it work automatically.

DharkStare ,

Of course they know what an OS is. There’s only two of them: Apple and Microsoft.

BuboScandiacus ,
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I bet at least 50% of people in the market for a pc don’t even know what an OS is.

70%*

thecapyking ,

my first thought actually pointed to common OS on work devices, being Windows i’d assume a majority of the time, i’d imagine a large portion of the older population were introduced to computers in a workplace setting. But your answer makes a bit more sense.

panpan , in What are the main challenges in Linux adoption for New users, and how can it be addressed?

Linux needs more apps that GUI friendly and easy to use, better support for hardware and upgrades with doesn’t break easily. Should come pre-installed with PC. Most people don’t bother or know how to change OS.

limelight79 ,

The odd thing about this is that because Linux generally doesn’t come preinstalled (though some sellers do have it), I’ve found the Linux installation process is usually smoother and easier than installing Windows.

I realize it’s extra work, though, which is a barrier for some. Worrying about screwing up their new computer and voiding the warranty is certainly a deterrent.

vitorsilva ,

@limelight79 @panpan

One funny thing about it is that I bought a pc with linux preinstalled, but reinstalled it anyway, because I don't trust an installation from the oem.

It made me wonder how, in the windows world, we simply trust the manufacturer with that.

PlutoniumAcid ,
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Having worked with preinstalling Windows with a major pc manufacturer, I will say that it is already such a freaking effort that nobody would want to do even more effort to install malware on top.

Notwithstanding so called partner apps… If there’s anything in those, I can’t say.

wapsi , in Linux compatible DVB-S/T/C hardware that works with ubuntu kernels without recompilation

Sounds familiar.

I’m using TBS octa DVB-T(2)/DVB-C tuner card, which is streaming the channels to my LAN (by using Tvheadend, Mumudvb, or Astra), but I was also frustrated about compiling the driver for it whenever there was a kernel update (github.com/tbsdtv/linux_media). Eventually I created a Debian virtual machine and configured the tuner device available for it by using AMD IOMMU and Qemu/KVM PCI pass through. It has worked very well, and there’s no need to update the kernel if you don’t care about the security and vulnerabilities ;D

The card I’m using: Multimedia controller [0480]: TBS Technologies DVB-S2 4 Tuner PCIe Card [544d:6178]

dino , in Is there really no viable alternative for Photoshop on Linux?

If not, why?

I mean, how much money is Adobe investing in Photoshop? Also I am really curious about GIMP really as bad as you and others here describe it as… I have the feeling people expect a carbon copy of Photoshop where they can use their brain imprinted workflows to achieve the exact same results. This of course is just asking for failure. You rather have to get used to GIMPs (any other FOSS program) workflows and see if you can achieve similar results and decide if the increased time spent worth it, to use a software which is free and open source or not.

RiderExMachina , in Linux compatible DVB-S/T/C hardware that works with ubuntu kernels without recompilation

I got myself a Hauppage PCIe digital tuner and installed it in one of my servers that’s on all the time. Using TVHeadend, you can easily stream it to any device on your network, or use something like Wireguard or Tailscale if you want to use it outside your network.

It doesn’t require a custom kernel, but Hauppage recommends using theirs for quicker updates.

phx ,

Yeah, I haven’t had a need of one in awhile, but Hauppauge used to be the best devices for use with Linux.

If in doubt, grab a USB device that’s listed as having a compatible driver on the TVDB

M_Reimer ,

Interesting. But PCIe DVB-S tuners from Hauppauge seem to be rare. Seems like they primarily offer USB tuners, now.

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