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Sordirsin , (edited ) in [SOLVED] Steam Not starting on EndeavourOS/Arch

It could be related to this issue: github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/…/9805

Edit: Might be an issue with a recent libgudev update. The end of this comment has some potential work arounds: github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/…/9805#i…

Zangoose OP ,

Installing the lib32-libnm package ended up fixing the issue

shadow , in [SOLVED] Steam Not starting on EndeavourOS/Arch

Just install the lib32-libnm package. The one Steam is supplying is outdated with the new libgudev 238-1, by installing your own lib32-libnm your system will use that over Steams one and it should launch fine.

Zangoose OP ,

This fixed it, thanks for the help!

code , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)
@code@lemmy.mayes.io avatar

This is why im on the hunt for a new distro. Looking at pop and fedora right now. Kinda prefer deb cause thats been my env for 15 yrs

RamdomSlaphead ,

I’m thinking pop os or just boring plain debian. This snap shit is just getting too much to bother with.

code ,
@code@lemmy.mayes.io avatar

Agreed. I game alot in linux and ive heard straight debian isnt so hot there

tricoro ,

For gaming you should definitely check Garuda Linux.

mosiacmango ,

Flatpaks fix a lot of debains boring.

miket ,

I’d suggest if you want stock and recent Gnome, stick with Fedora.

Pop is building their own DE that they will switch to sometime in 2023. Which also mean they will remain 22.04 till then.

I’m waiting for VanillaOS 2.0 release to see if it is any better.

gvanburen ,

Been using popos on all my computers for the past year and have been happy with it.

AbidanYre ,

Debian is right there then.

radioactiveradio ,

Can I get debian with latest kde? Like stable debian but rolling DE like kde neon?

AbidanYre ,

You could check backports.

I don’t usually need the absolute latest so I’m fine waiting for stuff to reach testing.

Andy ,
@Andy@programming.dev avatar

Siduction is rolling Debian with more updated KDE stuff.

radioactiveradio ,

Sounds like you’re introducing me to some 2 girls 1 cup type shit, but I’ll look it up. Is it still maintained?

Andy ,
@Andy@programming.dev avatar

still maintained?

Yup! It’s rolling, but the latest ISO release was in March.

mosiacmango , (edited )

Debian 12 shipped with the latest kde plasma version, but the distro is designed to be stable, with a capital S. The packages will not update until the version does.

Flatpaks are a great way to get modern software on a stable OS like debian. If neon has a flatpak version, it would be a good answer.

TunaCowboy ,

stable is not the only debian release.

skillissuer ,

consider: LMDE

crypticinquiry ,
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@skillissuer @code Do more than consider! - It's perfect.
Maybe not cutting edge, exciting or novelty-filled but dependable, and rock solid.

skillissuer ,

compared to straight debian, it is novelty filled lol

nan ,
@nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not only that, LMDE 6 based on Debian 12 shouldn’t be too far off, which should be a substantial upgrade to the base system.

Linux Mint 21.2 is in beta, they previously said LMDE 6 should be about a month after the 21.2 release.

4am ,
@4am@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve heard the latest Debian absolutely slaps; haven’t tried it yet myself though

cityboundforest ,
@cityboundforest@beehaw.org avatar

I was using EndeavourOS when I ran into the wall that a lot of stuff didn’t have builds on AUR that I needed (and didn’t feel like compiling myself or they didn’t provide source code)

Recant , (edited )

I would recommend using Linux Mint. It is Ubuntu without Gnome Shell and snaps. They use Flatpak instead. I have been enjoying it ever since I jumped ship from Ubuntu about 2 years ago.

guriinii , in ΠΑΜΕ ΕΛΛΑΔΑΡΑ ΜΟΥ!!! (LET'S GO GREECE!!!)

Bravo! Out of curiosity, why does the Greek have “my” at the end?

wallmenis OP ,

It seems you translated it. 😅 Well it is a saying… When someone is excited or proud of someone/something. I don’t know the specifics (even though I am a native). So please, if anyone else wants to explain, feel free to do so…

MetaPhrastes , (edited )
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I’m not a native but I can try to explain. Greek has two forms of expressing possession: the first is simply the genitive of the personal pronoun (in this case μου is the genitive of the first person singular pronoun εγώ). When expressing possession in this way it always follows the noun it refers to whereas the article comes before e.g. “my house” > “το σπίτι μου” and it’s invariable. (Note that in English possessives are determiners and can not co-exist with articles it’s either one or the other, in Greek this is not the case). The second form is in combination with “δικός” and these behave more like adjectives and must agree in gender and number with the noun they refer to “my house” > “το δικό μου σπίτι” vs “my houses” > “τα δικά μου σπίτια”.

wallmenis OP ,

That is true… And that explains it in a literal sense

Marxine , in What is your opinion on Solus?
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I used it as my main distro for about a year, and moved on right before the “abandonment saga” happened. It was a nice and performant distro, but lacked some stuff I needed, mostly support from a few projects and apps I needed to use.

I wouldn’t recommend it as a main distro for at least 5 years after what happened, but would keep an eye out to use on a spare machine or a VM.

Nowadays I’d either settle on openSUSE Tumbleeweed for rolling-release. I’m personally more insterested in stability though (and not having to update stuff every 2 days or so), so I’m going team Debian.

Granixo , in Give it to me straight. How worried are you for Fedora's future after Red Hats recent anti user decisions?
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Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

Red Hat going full IBM mode, Fedora implementing telemetry.

Granixo ,
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Simplesyrup , in Poll about Fedora OPT-OUT telemetry metrics proposal
@Simplesyrup@lemmy.ml avatar

Used fedora KDE once, never again, I’m gonna stick with Ubuntu

ReverseModule , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ubuntu and Snaps are the cancer of the Linux world. :)

thatsnothowyoudoit ,
@thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca avatar

Snaps I get, but Ubuntu? Aside from an asinine application process to get hired a Canonical, they did a lot to push for a more straightforward Linux desktop experience. Their time has passed, but cancer is a bit too much for me, considering all the fantastic offshoots.

Context: I came to Ubuntu from Gentoo. Debian before that and a brief flirt with the hot fantastic mess that was Mandrake when I first discovered Linux.

nous ,

Snaps is just the latest controversial tech they haved pushed for. They have a long history of pushing for things they have created that people don’t want or don’t want their implementation of (like upstart or the original unity desktop env). Or pushing for stuff before it is ready (like pulseaudio).

Nothing wrong with pushing for your own tech, but they do seem to miss the mark a lot on what they want to introduce. And keep upsetting the community over it.

knewe ,

There is a problem with pushing tech if that tech is proprietary — such as with Snaps.

Unity I don’t think was ever that controversial, except that Ubuntu was sending all desktop search queries to Amazon at one point, which was, of course, terrible privacy-wise. The reason why Unity died is because Ubuntu decided it’s not worth the money to maintain it.

nous ,

There was a lot of community backlash when they first released unity as its own thing. Lots of people hated it because it was very different from what came before. That is what made it controversial.

Kekin , in Integrating VSCode and Distrobox
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I faced this as well on KDE and got around it by creating a window rule to match it by window title and force a .desktop name to the vs code window, so it shows the correct icon on the taskbar. I wonder if there is a similar functionality on Gnome?

rainier OP ,

What do you mean by a “window rule”?

Kekin ,
@Kekin@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s some info on it: userbase.kde.org/KWin_Rules

From the overview:

KWin allows the end-user to define rules to alter an application’s window attributes.

For example, when an application is started, it can be forced to always run on Virtual Desktop 2. Or a defect in an application can be worked-around to force the window above others.

AlmightySnoo , in New Linux kernel vulnerability
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

switch to using BSD

TempleOS has always been the answer, no vulnerabilities as it can’t even connect to the internet

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d89d1d26-d48b-48ba-a498-921680066ac0.png

PepperTwist ,

It even has cool games!

AlmightySnoo ,
@AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

it apparently has a Moses simulator or something like that

cyanarchy ,

They hated him because he spoke the truth

duncesplayed ,

Can’t have a privilege escalation when there are no privileges, since every process runs in the same address space in ring 0.

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Who needs the internet when you have a direct connection to His Kingdom.

rikudou , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)

Tldr: the new store only supports snaps, deb support will come later. OP, please provide summary next time if you link to clickbait articles.

igalmarino OP ,
@igalmarino@lemmy.ml avatar

Ok, note taken 👍

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Or this time as both title and summary can be edited.

mfn77 ,
@mfn77@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not a click bait per se. Even after deb support they will use only snap for applications that has a snap package and only debs if it hasn’t got any snap package afaik.

agelord ,

BUT, the “new” store is based on a community project which ALREADY supports both deb and snap.

wgs ,
@wgs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Deb support will come later, but:

If the same piece of software exists in the Ubuntu repository and the snap store the new store will only make it possible to install the snap version.

So the title is on point IMO.

Raphael , in Stable Linux distro with up to date packages
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The holy grail, stable and up-to-date, it exists, it’s called Debian with Flatpaks.

Install Debian. Avoid doing any changes to your package selection, try to get things from flatpaks.

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

This is my preferred way off doing things, but trying to glue VSCode + Android Studio + the Flutter SDK + Docker + … together via Flatpack was an exercise in pain and sadness last time I tried it.

Getting all my normal boring desktop apps via Flatpack is awesome, but for a developer it just doesn’t seem practical right now

priapus ,

If you’re a developer and want a stable distro you’ll need a way to have up to date dev environments. I would use Nix or containers.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot ,

I second this!

guyman ,

Problem with debian is it’s stable in the sense of unchanging, not necessarily a lack of bugs.

He’s saying he wants up to date packages and stability, which seems to mean he was current software without bugs. That’s not debian stable.

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll bite, what is this mythical bugless system thee speak of?

guyman ,

None, but bugs stick around way longer in debian stable because of how old the software is.

Did you… really think I was talking about a bugless distro?

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

No, but I do see you mentioning problems without showing any solutions.

shapis ,
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    OK.

    CassiniWarden , in Ubuntu 23.10’s New Software App Will Demote DEBs (Apparently)

    I’ve been using more and more flatpaks lately on arch and fedora based distros, i have no idea how snaps compare but seems similar? Seems an odd push from Ubuntu, but could make more sense than deb packages for non techy users perhaps?

    AProfessional ,

    Snap is very similar just not portable to most other distros. It makes a lot of sense both for users and for vendor lock-in.

    Vittelius ,

    Snap is portable to other distros, look at the official website and you see a list of distros, you can use snap on. That doesn’t mean that there is no vendor lock-in, just a different kind. Snap as a format grew out of Cannonicals effort in the mobile field. Snaps where supposed to be the truly convergent successor to click, the packaging format used by Ubuntu Touch. And this history is baked into its DNA. It’s right there on the snapcraft website: “The app store for Linux”. As such Cannonical has always courted proprietary software and/or software by big companies (VS Code was first released as a snap for a reason). I think that they have always have had an eye on one day adding app payments and the sweet, sweet 30% cut they can take from every sale

    AProfessional ,

    The sandbox requires apparmor, so doesn’t work on anything else by default except OpenSUSE I think.

    Vittelius ,

    Solus and Manjaro are shipping Snap installed by default and I’ve never had a problem installing snapd on fedora. All I ever had to do for that was run a single standard dnf install. Apparmor doesn’t pose the problem you think it does

    AProfessional ,

    Running software unsandboxed is breaking most of the value of snap. Not only is it insecure many of the portability promises are actually broken and it can load incorrect libraries, etc.

    Fedora deleted snap from its repos years ago then it returned. It is a broken mess.

    Canonicals response has been: We don’t care, fix it yourself.

    It is an awful non-portable solution when a real portable solution exists.

    ISMETA ,

    A big issue for me with snap is, that the server side software is proprietary. So it really really does feel like they are trying for lock-in

    avidamoeba ,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    The server side is fairly trivial and has already been prototyped separately.

    knewe ,

    If it is trivial, why is Canonical keeping it proprietary?

    avidamoeba , (edited )
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    Because it’s extra work to make it open source and few outside of Canonical are interested in contributing. Open sourcing an existing component and maintaining it as such has non-trivial overhead. In that case that work is better spent on other, higher priority items. My guess is that they’ve gauged that the cloud end being open source won’t move the needle on who uses Snap and Ubuntu so they’ve deemed it low priority. Personally I’m using Debian and Ubuntu and therefore Canonical has root on some of my systems. Given I can implement a cloud end for Snap, it bares very little importance to me that today the cloud end isn’t open source since it’s run by the folks that have root on my system anyways as well as supply all other packages on my Ubuntu systems. In fact we don’t even know what the cloud end for the apt repos is. It could easily be Sonatype Nexus. For me the important bit is the client and installer side of Snap since I can’t implement that in a relatively small amount of time. :)

    avidamoeba , (edited )
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    Ubuntu / Canonical were working on Snap for some years when Flatpak came on the scene. They’ve been shipping Ubuntu bits using it since 2016. In addition to the legacy, Snap is more versatile than Flatpak in that it can be used to package pretty much anything, including system bits. It’s also had a secure sandbox from the start. Changing to Flatpak would be a functionality downgrade for Canonical and Ununtu maintainers using Snap. In addition Flatpak can be used along with Snap on Ubuntu so there’s no need to not use both for whoever finds that useful. Snap lets Ubuntu ship software using less work, which means more up-to-date bits in Ubuntu. Users can install other software via Snap or Flatpak, whichever they find more useful.

    piranhaphish ,

    In my experience, performance of snap apps is just abhorrent. The consume a huge amount of disk space and, whether it’s due to that or not, they have extremely long load times.

    Principles aside, this just makes them unusable for me. I use flatpak when there’s no other option, but strive to use deb either natively or through PPA.

    JustTesting , in [SOLVED] Steam Not starting on EndeavourOS/Arch

    There’s currently a known bug with nvidia and steam, might be what you’re having. See github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/…/9634There’s some workarounds there that worked for me

    space_of_eights , in Stable Linux distro with up to date packages

    What is your definition of stability? I have used Arch for about ten years without any major breakage, but sometimes you do have to do some manual tinkering if a package stops working. So it’s stable enough for me, but maybe not for others. Since it is a rolling release, packages are generally being updated quite rapidly.

    I think that any modern rolling release distro would fit the bill though.

    ablackcatstail ,
    @ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com avatar

    This here! I actually have had really good luck using Arch. I’ve been running it for only a month now and I make certain to patch/update once a week. Thus far it has not left me stranded. I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

    aksdb ,

    I think Arch is underrated as an OS.

    I don’t think Arch is anywhere near “underrated”. The “I use Arch, btw” meme didn’t come out of nowhere. A lot of distros are based on Arch too. Even SteamOS (so the Steam Deck is essentially powered by Arch).

    In that regard: yes, Arch is awesome. I use it, btw.

    ablackcatstail ,
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    Arch powers pretty much everything except my server which is Proxmox. Yep, Arch is awesome!

    what ,

    You will only notice the downside of a rolling release distribution when using it for years. Large breaking changes might unexpectedly be applied to your system, instead of at fixed points in time like with other distributions.

    Engywuck ,

    +1 for Arch

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