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kandoh ,

Is real???

MojoMcJojo ,

No real, but feel real, so is bad

Kalysta ,

Even AI knows how tiny his hands really are. First picture is spot on.

nonfuinoncuro ,

except for the made up CHINESE characters behind the north KOREAN man.

!as an aside historically Korea Japan and Vietnam actually did use Chinese characters and still do so for various purposes (Japan the most) but nk explicitly outlawed their use for nationalism reasons !<

Quik ,

Dementor‘s kiss

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Which AI does realistic representations of real people? I’ve tried some and they can never get the likeness right. Or it seems they might get the face close, but the scene you’re trying to create wrong.

LordWiggle OP ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure. I know there are some where you can upload photos which it will use, maybe that can help? But I don’t remember which ones have this option.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

AI isn’t that magical. You get good images by continuing to feed it prompts and tweaking weights until it eventually makes something good. Lighting kinda suggests mid journey, but it could as easily be 1000 tries of stable diffusion.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

I’m quite familiar with AI and how the prompts work. I’ve been using a couple for years. Each one seems to have its own particular (Skill? Emphasis? Personality?) and no matter what you feed it via prompts it may not overcome whatever it is that prevents it from generating the scene you want. That may depend on what it was trained on - say for instance you want a character from Labyrinth (1986) but instead the AI keeps forcing imagery from Pan’s Labyrinth and no amount of negative or other prompts will fix it. Some are deliberately designed to avoid things like accurate likenesses (some devs don’t want their AI used for deepfakes), some emphasize an art style, and some like StableD require tons of “corralling” to get it to generate what you want - if you’re lucky.

linearchaos ,
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Stable diffusion is just the path to loading a model It really depends what model you use. You can’t get the right labyrinth out of something that wasn’t trained on the labyrinth and that you want.

olicvb ,
@olicvb@lemmy.ca avatar

@RememberTheApollo_

Also if it’s on Stable Diffusion there’s 100% a LoRA for those two available. So from that point it would be harder not to get their likeness :D

RememberTheApollo_ ,

I’ve not used StableD directly to create a specific person, or at least not popular/known ones, so haven’t had the benefit of a LoRA. I generally just do scenes that, if they have people, they’re just background fillers or any likeness will do.

fross ,

Look on communities for stable diffusion or flux. The latest stuff is eerily good.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Oh, I’ve seen some. It’s incredible. AI art really can be scary good.

michaelmrose ,

I asked chatGPT to draw Trump with Biden as a shark and instead of refusing it literally drew Hitler in a boat being threatened by a shark in Aviators

thermal_shock ,

post it

michaelmrose ,

Imgur shadowbanned me for doing so! i.postimg.cc/1t1n8CqJ/trumpishitler.jpg

dyc3 ,

Pics or it didn’t happen

michaelmrose ,

i.postimg.cc/1t1n8CqJ/trumpishitler.jpg

dyc3 ,

Well God damn, it sure did lmao

Hackworth ,

huggingface.co/spaces/…/FLUX.1-dev

FLUX is only censored for explicit imagery.

This was a 1-shot generation with the simple prompt, “Donald Trump pledging allegiance to Vladimir Putin”

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/748cdd92-ee9c-40b1-a127-42746da53710.jpeg

Zron ,

Looks more like 2 lovers who found out a close friend died.

I’ve seen my cousin look like this with their spouses at funerals.

Nuke_the_whales ,

That or I’ve found ones that won’t generate art if you use prompts like Trump, Biden, Obama, etc

orcrist ,

I love the irony. Is this fake? Even if it’s fake, it could have happened. It would have happened. Trump wishes it had happened. Trump wouldn’t know whether it actually happened, but only whether he wanted it to have happened.

GreyEyedGhost ,

Nah, I can’t see Teump getting on his knees. Not because of pride but because he probably wouldn’t be able to get back up without help.

Tja ,

I hear a lot of people saying, very good people, very tough people, saying that it happened. They are saying it very strongly. I don’t know. They are saying it, I don’t know.

GiddyGap ,

The AI didn’t do a great job with Un. Pretty accurate with Trump.

MrShankles ,

I was actually thinking the exact opposite. Interesting to me though, is that we both see the subtleties which makes it look like AI. I can’t point it out exactly (like too many fingers or something), but it’s like the contours of their faces are off? Or something uncanny, at the least. I feel like photoshop could do it better (though not nearly as fast)

GiddyGap ,

To me, in the photo on the left, Un doesn’t look anything like he does in real life. The Un on the right has more features that look real, but still not good. I think the Trump in either picture could have fooled someone, but it’s still just too smooth to look real.

linearchaos ,
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it would take 4 people at his age and weight to get him back up off his knees.

Metype ,
@Metype@lemmy.world avatar

What jumped out to me was, in the second photo in particular, the suit Trump is wearing looks overly smooth? Just something about how it looks screams uncanny to me, which is odd cause the faces really don’t.

constantturtleaction ,

I think you need to look more closely at the fingers in the left pic.

MrShankles ,

Yeah, a second look at the men in the background in that one shows the usual AI fuckery. The other one’s pretty dang good, though in comparison

SwingingTheLamp ,

The arms in the second image are much too short. I can’t unsee it, now that I’ve noticed.

nightofmichelinstars ,

Trump’s ear doesn’t look like that at all. (I’m not making a shooting joke, I mean really that’s not his ear. )

Sam_Bass ,

That alone should turn stomach of even his most devout

FiniteBanjo ,

WDYM? Tankies love Trump and they also love Un.

Denjin ,

Do you even know what any of the words you wrote mean?

FiniteBanjo , (edited )

Yeah, I said Hexbear loves to take Trump, Un, Xi, and Putin Dick deep inside of themselves.

some_guy ,

We’re about five minutes past being able to believe our own eyes ever again.

Agent641 ,

Ive been voice chatting with ChatGPT4O all afternoon. Shes actually really nice and I now trust her implicitly with all of my decisions and recipe ingredients.

PlantDadManGuy ,

That’s how it begins

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

And also how it ends.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I’m down with it, but i’m down with removing warning labels from screwdrivers too :)

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

We’re about five minutes past being able to believe our own eyes ever again.

/r/photoshopbattles has had a better track record for years

AI is just bringing it to the masses

werefreeatlast ,

Wow! No decency! trump should have at least tried to suckle on his supreme leader. He loves everyone who is supreme like that bigly.

collapse_already ,

The photo of him saluting the N. Korean general is real. We don’t even need to fabricate this kind of material. If we are going to fabricate it, Trump’s service should be more explicit and x-rated.

Asafum ,

I like the idea of fabricating it specifically to use on Twitter since Elon is being a piece of shit about it all.

brucethemoose ,

Looks shiny and “deep fried” kind of like midjourney?

One open secret in AI land is that everyone trains on everyone elses output (like this, to adopt the popular style). Even if its blatantly against the license. Who’s gonna prove it?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

If the AI art can spit out art that looks like the commercial product then it was either trained on the copyrighted works or on art that was infringing. So you can tell by the existence of anything copyrighted existing in the output.

Also, fuck copyright for being waaaay to long and abused by companies to stifle creativity.

hungryphrog ,

Looks like AI, but at this point I wouldn’t be that suprised if it was genuine.

kautau ,

North Korea, you know folks say, folks say, oh North Korea, but let me tell you folks Kim is lovely, and he’s a big fan so we love him. And people are saying North Korea, folks let me tell you, let me just say, the North Korean people are lovely. Beautiful country, nobody even needs to vote folks, how nice is that

Samsy ,

More of this please. I mean if there are people who believed pizzagate, the same people never heard about AI pictures and would believe this, too.

lemonmelon ,

Faked photographs intended to serve as deceptive propaganda don’t seem like something we should be asking for more of, no matter who the target is.

Valmond ,

If we’re gonna suffocate under avalanches of fakes why not invite the asshats to the party too.

ganksy ,
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It’s helpful if it becomes their demise.

Restaldt ,

“Its a good thing as long as it hurts the right people”

Fuck that. Be better than them.

Its such a low bar it should be easy

aniki ,

We tried that and they put 3 supreme court justices on the court. Fuck that bullshit. Use. Everything. To. Survive.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

I am so torn between these two arguments. Sometimes you have to go to war, but what atrocities can you live with committing? It’s a tough line to walk.

aniki ,

Do you want to be steamrolled by morons or do you want to play meme games better than them so they hide and cower? Pretty easy if you ask me.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Yep, that’s the one side. The other side is the idea that we choose to be moral or immoral and, while name calling is mean, lying and trying to deceive is immoral. It would also mean being a part of the shift from “pics or it didn’t happen” to “you can’t believe every picture you see”, mirroring what happened with news. There’s a argument that we’re there already or it’s inevitable, there’s an argument of “do anything you have to in order to win” but, while that feels true, it also feels kind of wrong to me.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

The difference is no official White House or Harris Campaign (or lib news outlets) have retweeted this. People on the internet are going to make this shit, and I find it entertaining honestly. Once the official channels start trying to pretend it’s news or real, then it’s too far imo.

ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

I just meant the AI pictures

LordWiggle OP ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

I completely agree with you. But on the other hand I’m thinking: “They use fake news and fabricated bullshit to convince others to their cause. It works because in general people are dumb, so why not use the same tacric to divert the dumb voters into the right direction”.

But I’m against spreading fake news, there’s already so much out there and it’s getting harder every day to distinguish real from fake, even for people like me (an OSINT analyst). It’s just that extremists use nasty weapons and don’t care about ethics while I try to stay honest. It’s like bringing a knife into a gun fight. The general public doesn’t think but blindly believes anything they see and follow the person who screams the loudest “I have a sollution” without understanding those solutions do more harm then good.

Seriously, the movie Idiocracy is a documentary, not a comedy. It’s painful how realistic it is.

inbeesee ,

The worrying thing is it erodes faith in reality beyond what can be directly experienced. “I can’t trust anything I’m told anymore because photos and organizations are compromised.” And all orgs are going to drift towards using the best weapon they have to change minds, which is AI generated images. It’s the best tool, and if the other guys use it and you don’t then you’re behind in the arms race.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

There are definitely already people like that, mostly in the GOP / Trump camp in my experience. It’s sad but it’s starting to make sense…

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Seriously, the movie Idiocracy is a documentary, not a comedy. It’s painful how realistic it is.

I say this to my SO all the time, but they have “faith in humanity” for some reason.

Especially re: how AI/robotics will be the “great equalizer”. They think eventually goods will be so cheap and we will have UBI and no one will have to work… I think, no matter how cheap goods are, the corporations will find ways to make money and/or keep people poor. They say, “If the corporations do that, people will rise up and make them.” I say, “Are you actually sure about that? We let corporations do all kinds of other nasty things without repercussions…”

LordWiggle OP ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

“Yeah! People will rise up! Second amendment baby!” - brings an AR-15 to a drone fight while those companies, whether it’s the US government or private, know which porn they watch every night. Their life is ruined when they are cut off from tiktok and Instagram, they will starve to death when they cannot pay for food anymore because the internet is cut off, so banking and digital payment is gone.

Look at Google, having a monopoly right now, free to do whatever the fuck they want. Disney+ apparently having in their license agreement they are not liable if they killed someone in one of their parks. Mercedes Benz is planning to build a mega tower in Dubai, using slave labor like is the standard there. Like they have been doing in China with Oighurs in concentration camps, with their history during the Second World War. Apple using child labor and exploiting miners of rare earth metal mines in third world countries.

Yeah, people will rise up. No one accepts oppression. *coughs in Russian, Korean, Chinese, etc.

barsquid ,

If the target is someone who habitually lies about objective reality I approve of them receiving similar disinformation campaigns. What I don’t like is that these images are obvious fakes and obsequiousness to a dictator is something Trumpanzees love. So they’ll have no effect.

VinnyDaCat ,

Thank you. This really is just asking to pour gasoline on the fire.

I don’t think this is something that will benefit us in the long term, regardless of how funny it is right now.

chiliedogg ,

No. Because there’s actual photos of Trump saluting North Korean generals, posing with Epstein, and more. By spreading fake photographs we’re giving them cover to claim legitimate pictures as being faked.

Samsy ,

Can’t argue against.

hate2bme ,

Need one of Putin barebacking Trump.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

And even if they knew about the AI mistakes, like hands and such, all those Facebook people do is look at the pic, give a 👍, maybe repost or comment. They won’t see those things because they never look too closely at anything they consume.

Lumisal ,

The obvious clue this is AI is still in the hands. The first one has some deformed hands, and in the second Trump’s hands are too big

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

also the fact that just about everything looks weird

Valmond ,

Trump saved by his small hands!

maniclucky ,

And contextually, the guys in the background are openly amused. I would expect North Korean military guys to be more subtle.

Wirlocke ,

God this just made me think though, I would bet North Korea is actually using AI for even better propaganda against their citizens right now. Being so disconnected from the rest of the world and tech starved, the people probably don’t know a machine could even do this.

grue ,

That’s part of why things like GPUs have export controls.

tomshardware.com/…/us-govt-speeds-up-export-restr…

ft.com/…/f6ec6fa8-04fa-4c80-862c-f5a491ac04f8

reuters.com/…/nvidia-may-be-forced-shift-out-some…

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