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abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

What was the point for this propaganda? To keep products incompatible somehow?

pachrist ,

Poster shows the metric system giving Uncle Sam giant balls of steel?

Imperial emasculates.

LordWiggle ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

What ‘has’ we done. Well, they didn’t go to school, that’s for sure. And clearly they didn’t send their kids to school either, as it’s a damn old poster and it’s been more then a hundred years while the US still uses imperial.

gregor ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

I think that’s “he”, not “we”

LordWiggle ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I’m stupid

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

There is literally a W right over that H to compare it to.

LordWiggle ,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I down voted my own comment.

ramenshaman ,

How awful. Making someone divide things by 10 instead of 12, 16, or fucking 64.

the_crotch ,

10 can only be divided evenly by 2 and 5. 12 can be divided evenly by 2, 3, 4, or 6. The Babylonians were right, base12 is superior to base10.

5714 ,

Mars Climate Orbiter.

ramenshaman ,

“Hey could I borrow a drill bit?”

“Sure, what size?”

“Seventeen sixty-fourths”

“Fuck you”

Sorry man I think in 2024 you’re objectively wrong.

tuhriel ,

That would be an argument…IF it would be consistently 16 between each unit

Il leave this one here to see if it’s 16 every time: youtu.be/r7x-RGfd0Yk

Spoiler: it’s not!

AnarchoSnowPlow ,

Fuck that, we should be measuring everything in Stone.

I’ll take a seventh stone of chicken please.

And lengths in Royal cubits.

If we’re gonna go weird we need to go all the way.

FelixCress ,

From John Bazell “In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.”

Cort ,

I mean, 1btu is required per pound of water per degree Farenheit. About 8lbs/gal and raising it 142°f would mean 1136btus

finley ,

that’s a lot of words and numbers for, “go fuck yourself”

bravesirrbn ,

But we’re supposed to use Joules, not calories

abbiistabbii ,
@abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The idea that a simpler system of weights and measures that operate in base-10 will somehow cripple America is somehow fucking hilarious.

probableprotogen ,

This is his punishment for war crimes.

someguy3 ,

My comparison is that the metric system is like color vision. It’s like colors for traffic lights, but USC people insist it’s fine memorizing which light is which location. In metric you just see the world in a way USC can’t, but USC people insist they’re just fine.

HipsterTenZero ,
@HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone avatar

uncle sam you dense motherfucker go to SCHOOL

ShaggySnacks ,

Ugh, who wants to change to a base-10 system when we keep what ever we have now?

PhlubbaDubba ,

I mean there’s really only four ways people use imperial over metric

For cooking, For weighing themselves, For measuring distances, For measuring temperature.

For most other purposes, especially where scientific accuracy is called for, Americans are perfectly aware of and capable of using metric, and mostly do so.

Metric pushing at this point is basically bashing non academics for continuing to use a colloquial measurement that serves them just fine for what they actually need to measure and visualize on a daily basis.

hOrni ,

Well, yeah. We are trying to make things easier for You.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Oh yeah, because constantly forcing a change it’s obvious nobody you’re trying to force it on cares about is definitely making things easier for them.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Cooking has largely moved to metric (with the exception of spices/seasonings, weighing spices is tedious compared to spoons IMO)

Blue_Morpho ,

I have never seen a US cookbook or Internet recipe site that defaults to metric.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes

xkcd.com/1053/

Blue_Morpho ,

I clicked the King Arthur link and the recipes default to English with metric in parenthesis.

PhlubbaDubba ,

That depends more on the setting, IDK about professional kitchens but most home cooking I’ve seen measures in imperial.

SpaceNoodle ,

I’ve seen them chiefly in US Customary.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

A decent chunk of recipes I use are for baking (where weighing is important and grams are standard) so YMMV, though I don’t generally eat a lot of “american” food so my perspective is a bit skewed toward metric.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Tbf a decent amount of “american food” is prepared by intuition rather than by formula

If you’re checking measurements for a burger, it’s for the individual stacked items you’re putting together on the burger and not usually for how much ground meat you need to get off a chuck steak for the burger you want.

I only write down measurements in my own recipes because I’m chronically paranoid I’ll fuck everything up since so much of my stuff is already mishmash of previous recipes (just finished putting together a non dairy Knaffeh recipe so my SO can have it in spite of their allergies, had to figure out how to mimic Arrakawi cheese using fake mozz lol XD)

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Imperial is intermixed woth metric in constructionnand a ton of engineering projects as materials are still manufactured in imperial measurements. Farming is still stuck in imperial too.

Both are still around because an entire industry changing fundamental measurements is a lot of effort.

My second favorite example of the two living in harmony for the average US citizen is the liquir store. Beer comes in ounces but hard liquir and wine comes in metric.

My favorite is soda, which comes in 20 oz and 2 liter bottles on the same shelf. People opposed to the metric system tend to ignore the fact that they are already using it somewhere in their lives and just don’t notice.

dharmacurious ,

My favorite weird imperial/metric oddity in the US is 16.9 ounce bottles. People refer to them as “sixteen point 9 ounce” bottles. They’re 500ml. It’d be so much easier just to say “500 em ell”

PhlubbaDubba ,

Mine is that the most rabidly anti metric folks stateside are likely to be weapons enthusiasts who measure ammo calibur in metric.

ayyy ,

Nope, beer is measured in Fluid Ounces which is a measure of volume and is entirely unrelated to ounces except for having the same name. Oh also a fluid ounce is a different amount of volume depending on the context. It’s a greeeeaaaaat system.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

That is an interesting clarification, not a correction, because nobody calls them “12 fluid ounce cans.”

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

You forgot one: Fasteners, i.e. nuts and bolts, when all the rest of the world has been metric for decades and whatever it is you’re taking apart almost certainly uses metric bolts (car, appliance, electronic device, whatever). But your local hardware store still gives you attitude over metric being ‘’‘’‘’‘‘specialty’’‘’‘’‘’ and the majority of their selection of bolts and machine screws are fractional inch which will not fit approximately 9.98% of all manufactured goods from the last century, let alone this one.

GentriFriedRice ,

Having two sets of wrenches and sockets is absolute worst. Especially when it seems like 10mm does 80% of the work but is missing 100% of the time

kboy101222 ,

I found a 10 pack of 10mm once. Bought it immediately thinking I’d never need another 10.

That was 5 years ago. I have 2 left…

not_that_guy05 ,

Those 10mm are pros at hide-and-seek.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

The metric system is a threat to our way of life - Kyle

randomdeadguy ,

1917 shitpost with obstinate opinions held to this day. Brilliant!

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think anyone believes the current system to be better, rather too much of a pain to replace. Americans really dislike learning and being inconvenienced.

Tar_alcaran ,

I don’t think anyone believes the current system to be better,

Check our ShitAmericansSay (on Reddit, ew) and you’ll find plenty who argue that metric is worse.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I did say that we hate learning. 😉

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Although, to be fair, British people say that too, especially when Britain joined the EU. “You mean I have to stop measuring the produce I sell in pounds and ounces?!”

And, of course, they still use MPH. I imagine there would be a massive uproar if that got changed.

British have gone much further with metrification than the U.S. but there’s still way too much resistance. And some of it is very silly indeed- weighing yourself in stone, which is a rather arbitrary 14 pounds.

BudgetBandit ,

7 pounds = 1 stone… got it. How much rock = 1 stone then? Or is rock more than stone?

unrelatedkeg ,

Both have to be more than a pebble, right?

wjrii ,

Metric is undoubtedly an improvement, and if there were political will, I’d be all for a renewed push to make it the sole standard. Cultural inertia within a single large and wealthy country is pretty much the only “advantage” the older “system” has over metric.

I do get a little bit protective when people suggest that Imperial/Customary/whatever is nonsensical or useless, though. It’s more that it’s disjoint and obsolete. Units arise out of circumstances, and shit like using 12 inches to a foot makes a lot of division into fractions really easy. Same with 8 ounces to a cup, 16 to a pint, and so on. Dividing shit in half or thirds is a pretty easy paradigm to do math in your head if you’re not really getting a lot of formal education. Most of the base units ultimately trace back to something perfectly sensible for a pre-industrial society.

So there’s method to the madness, it’s just that it was a thousand different methods, arising from various trades and merchants trying to standardize (yet also retain) their traditional measurements for their own needs. There’s not the grand unified system that only really became workable with standardized manufacturing and improved communication in the 19th century.

The other funny thing is that while units can and do still cause confusion, many US Customary units are literally defined in terms of SI and have been for well over a hundred years. An inch, for example, is exactly 2.54 cm, because even in the 1890s Americans knew it was stupid to try match a metal stick in London to one in Washington to one in Paris with any greater precision than that, and only the SI had a set process to refine unit definitions in relationship to natural phenomena.

Stovetop ,

All I can say is that the metric system was predominantly taught in my American school experience, with US units mainly limited to math class. The only thing that sucked about using metric in science class is the short unit we had where we needed to convert measurements between metric and US, which I think was arguably the point.

It’s corporations, really, that seem to insist on having their products and tools still defaulting to US customary units, and I can’t fathom why. Even when you go abroad and try to buy a TV, they’re all still labeled in inches, which boggles my mind.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s corporations, really, that seem to insist on having their products and tools still defaulting to US customary units…

I am no corporate fan, but this one is not on them. They already sell the same products in metric everywhere else. If the US switched to metric, most corporations would be able to switch overnight.

Stovetop ,

Not likey, the production lines used to service other countries are probably not the same used to supply the US.

New equipment would have to be obtained, new processes developed based on differences with regional suppliers, different regulatory standards on the production process would have to be adhered to, and they’d lose out on the generations of compatibility with older standards that they are intent keeping as cost saving measures.

Overnight is a stretch, but could they switch given enough time? Almost certainly. But it’s a major unnecessary expense that doesn’t immediately benefit shareholders.

wjrii ,

I doubt the corporations care in any deep way, same as with anything else. It’s just sort of a chicken and egg thing. They’ll resist change as long as resisting is cost-effective, but that very resistance slows adoption. Still, they will likely shrug and adapt if it becomes obvious that people prefer metric, or even simply stop caring.

folekaule ,

Did you go to school in the 70s or 80s? I don’t think it’s like that anymore.

hime0321 ,

Probably depends on state. I went to high school in Washington state, just about a decade ago, and we were taught SI units in most science classes. Unit conversion was almost always one of the first lessons we had. Chemistry specifically made us learn sig figs, which is much easier to use with SI units, and made me wish we used them everywhere.

folekaule ,

That’s probably what it is. I didn’t go to school in the US but my kids went to school in Ohio and my impression was that metric was not the primary system of units used in education, though it was taught.

The argument I hear most often from people defending the US customary units is that the units are more intuitive. For example, an inch is about the size of a thumb, or 0 degrees is fucking cold and 100 is fucking hot.

On the whole, people seem receptive to metric, but don’t want the hassle or cost to convert. They seem content to use metric where it’s important (science, military) and keep the old ways elsewhere.

I currently with in healthcare research and almost everything not patient facing is done in metric, but there are still conversions going on everywhere, leading to data problems that are hard to correct later. People used to thinking in ounces putting those where grams were supposed to go, and so on.

Stovetop ,

90’s-00’s in Massachusetts

solsangraal ,

Americans really dislike learning and being inconvenienced.

it’s worse than that-- we have gallons of milk, but liters of soda. we drive in mph, but run in 5K. science and medicine weights are grams, but recipes call for ounces. want to fix an american car–hope you have both metric and “standard” wrenches

more like we’d rather stay with the stupidness and inconvenience we know rather than change anything, no matter how much better it would be

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

want to fix an american car–hope you have both metric and “standard” wrenches

I will point out that with the singular and shining exception of lugnuts, at least this one has not been the case since at least the 1970’s. All fasteners on current(ish) American cars are metric nowadays and have been for quite some time. I’ve never seen a single one that isn’t on any car that’s not old enough to qualify for historic plates.

This used to piss off the oldheads to no end back when I managed a hardware store because they would absolutely insist, sometimes literally screaming in my face about it, that their dang old good old boy red blooded American Ford that they just bought didn’t have no Jap pinko metric bolts in it anywhere not nohow, and 100% of the time they were wrong. (This annoyed me only slightly less than the people who showed up needing a bolt, didn’t know what it was, didn’t bring the old one with them, and the only information they had was “I took it off with a 9/16 wrench.” Hombre, the head size tells me absolutely nothing about the diameter, thread pitch, or length. Then they would claim that it’s just a “standard” bolt, as if there’s any such thing. Also, a 9/16" wrench will usually fairly easily remove a bolt with a 14mm head, so that really tells me nothing. Or 5/8" on 16mm. Etc.)

Harleys, however, take it as some kind of point of pride that they actually do use fractional inch fasteners everywhere.

solsangraal ,

didn’t know what it was, didn’t bring the old one with them, and the only information they had was

LOL the library equivalent is “i’m looking for a book but don’t remember the title or author, but it was about a woman who fell in love, and it had a red cover!” which describes a not-insignificant percentage of all books in existence

dual_sport_dork , (edited )
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

That, and different editions and prints of the same book can and will have different covers.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

The differential bolts on my ford 8.8" are 1/2". Also the lower intake manifold bolts on a gm 3.8l were 3/8" even though everything else was metric. I’m sure there’s also oil drain plugs that are not metric.

deranger ,

See also: the 9mm and 5 grams in my pockets

solsangraal ,

LOL i’m sure the multiple units of measurement for ammo is worldwide-- thanks USA! but yea, drugs are always metric

idiomaddict ,

Except for an O

sanpedropeddler ,

We are used to 2 liter bottles, so we still use them. We run 5ks because its been a standard distance to run for a long time. Other countries also do similar things, old habits die hard.

We use metric for science and medicine because the benefits of metric are much more pronounced for those use cases.

Honestly, using both really isnt that hard. Its only really an inconvenience if you aren’t already used to it. We aren’t changing it because we’re getting along just fine the way things are, and there are much bigger problems to be solved.

solsangraal ,

for one thing, there will always be “bigger problems to solve,” just like with getting rid of DST, which also needs to fucking die a horrible death already

for another thing, thank you for providing a perfect example of my last sentence

sanpedropeddler ,

American are willing to change things, we just pick what to change, and we aren’t being inconvenienced by this nearly enough to change it.

someguy3 ,

Hundreds of millions of people learned the new units when their countries switched.

randomdeadguy ,

Inconvenienced might be right. The tagline from the poster treats metric implementation as a punishment. “What has he done to deserve this?” Has the same victimized tone like, “Look what they done to my boy” which completely disregards the merits of either system in favor of nationalism. It almost seems like a cold-war era ideal.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Start with adding a few metric characteristics in imperial. A yard and a meter are pretty close, so call it a kilo yard and centi yard. Same for quart and liter. It’s not switching to metric, but it’s more logical.

hime0321 ,

Except that it has been replaced, or is not the preferred unit for trade and commerce. The SI has been the “preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce” since 1975 according to United States law. Too bad most other Americans are too scared of change to use it everywhere else.

CaptainPedantic ,

It has nothing to do with disliking learning. Trying to learn and use a system of measurement without being immersed in it is really hard. For years, I’ve set all my temperature measurements on my phone and thermometers to Celsius, but because I’m surrounded by people and systems that don’t use metric, I have to convert back and forth between the two. It’s a lot of mental effort for basically no gain.

Every day, customary speed and distance units and my intuitive understanding of them are reinforced when driving and seeing street signs. I know how long a kilometer is, but if you say “My brother lives 45 kilometers away”, I’d have a difficult time truly understanding that. I wouldn’t be able to estimate how long it would take to drive there, for example.

Another issue is cost. In my job, it would take weeks or months to update all of the documentation and code to metric. Then customers would have to approve of all those changes. A whole bunch of machinery still uses customary units too, so they would have to be replaced or updated.

I say all of this as a metric lover and evangelist. It’s not trivial to convert an entire massive country to metric. Countries that have converted already should be hugely proud of themselves for accomplishing a difficult task.

slickgoat ,

Australia joined the metric system on the 14th February 1966. It took about two weeks before it was running trouble free. Everything changed, including currency, on a single day. The system is pretty easy.

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