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ExLisper , (edited )

If you want to really confuse Americans show them European showers. Imagine a shower with fixed pressure only…

Edit: I see people are confused. I meant that typical shower in US doesn’t have adjustable pressure:

https://linux.community/pictrs/image/b8ef14a0-7f55-45f4-b2de-a5d68e2aac80.png

SpaceNoodle ,

TIL all Americans have showers with multiple pressure settings

I’ve only been an American for a few decades, still kinda new at it

Zorg ,
@Zorg@lemmings.world avatar

They do? Practically all US showers I’ve come across, have this stupid shower single handle bullshit.Leave the shower on your preferred temperature between showers? Adjust the pressure of the water? Nah, that sounds stupid; why would anyone want that…

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@kbin.social avatar

I usually only see those in hotels. Every place I've lived in allowed the adjustment of pressure and temperature. If you live in a place that doesn't, you can also buy shower heads that can adjust the pressure btw.

TheEntity ,

Wait, what?

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

European here, I’ve had showers with multiple pressure and flow levels since… ever.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

That’s not true at all. The ignorance in this thread is absolutely astonishing. It’s like you went to the US once, spent a week in Florida and now somehow think you’re an expert in American homebuilding techniques and practices. WTF?

ExLisper ,

It absolutely is true. I have a PHD in early XXI century north American showering practices and I know for a fact that 65% of showers in the North East and 66% of showers in the rest of the US look like this, thus, making it a typical American shower. I will admit that there is a debate within my field of research as to how public and hotel showers should be counted but most experts agree with my position that what should be taken into consideration are the shower units, not the number of uses they get per year.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Well played, sir, or madam, as the case may be. Very well played.

brianorca ,

There are plenty of options in the US for adjustable pressure. Mine has pressure on the big lever, and temperature on a smaller level. It even has pressure compensation when somebody flushes a toilet, so there’s no temperature change. But the type you show there does seem to be the default selection for new construction.

LemmyIsFantastic ,

You realize we have AC in Merica right?

Like, have you been to half of Europe in the summer?

Aielman15 ,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I work in a hotel.

One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.

It turns out, they didn’t know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol

Fal ,
@Fal@yiffit.net avatar

Lol wtf? Why can’t you get a light breeze without tilting windows?

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Yeah I’m a little confused too. The thing with windows is that you get what you pay for. It’s ridiculous to think that there’s some kind of window design that’s magically available in Europe but not in the US. There are probably designs that are more common in different parts of the world, but it’s absolutely not the case that if a homeowner wants to pay for it they can’t get whatever they want in the US.

I have to think this post was made by someone who knows nothing about construction.

psud ,

The idea is protection from crime. You can have the window tilted and thieves theoretically cannot climb in through that window, where a swinging or sliding window while open allows someone to climb in through it

Of course in practice they’re less safe where they’re popular as there is a tool, a hook, which allows someone breaking in to hook the handle, pull the tilted window shut, and open it again in swinging mode, allowing them in

My understanding is sliding windows are the easiest to secure as you can bolt lock them at any point of openness. My sliding windows have bolt points at closed and at 5cm open

lauha ,

Never seen a tilting window in Finland

boredtortoise ,

Yeah but our specialty is triple panes. Insulation supremacy

GissaMittJobb ,

While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can’t install a window AC unit in our windows.

Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we’ve got to figure this one out.

Before portable ACs are mentioned - I’ll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.

9point6 ,

Mini split heat pumps.

All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.

Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC

GissaMittJobb ,

This is likely going to be the answer, yeah, but I believe we need to see some improvements in installability for the average person - a window AC unit does afaik not require a specialist to install, while a mini split, while possible to tackle for a handy person, is a lot harder, leaving the average person to have to pay for someone to install the unit.

Window ACs are not the best from an efficiency perspective, but they do beat portable units by a large margin.

EDIT: looks like it might actually not even be legal in the EU to install a mini split yourself - you need to be certified to handle the refrigerants.

Installation is also more than 50% of the total cost of acquisition, so we’re hitting upon an affordability issue here as well.

9point6 ,

Yeah that’s a good point about affordability. I guess I’d hope for government subsidies or at least supply & demand market forces to address that before it becomes an essential thing, especially if they replace gas boilers too as a move to reduce carbon emissions.

GissaMittJobb ,

In the world of theoretical wild policies, there’s a really good argument for subsidizing heat pump installation for places heating with fossil fuels or direct electricity at more than 100% of the cost of installation. I’d love to see that kind of project. One can mostly just dream, though.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

I’ve just been looking into this in the UK (so Europe, but not EU).

You can now get split units that come pre-filled with a safer refrigerants that a DIYer is allowed to do themselves.

I would still get an electrician to do the electrical side though. 1KW constant load should definitely be on its own circuit.

Nika03 ,

What if I can’t make a 3cm hole cuz I’m a rentoid?

kindenough ,
@kindenough@kbin.social avatar

I rent and could install AC because it is a home improvement. You could ask if it is allowed.

frunch ,

Make a temporary 3cm hole

realitista ,
@realitista@lemmy.world avatar

There are the freestanding air conditioners. They have a hose you put in the window. There are plastic seals you can buy that fit in the windows to seal off the exhaust. They aren’t perfect but they are better than nothing.

Hexarei ,
@Hexarei@programming.dev avatar

And this is a thread about how those won’t work with European windows

realitista ,
@realitista@lemmy.world avatar

I live in Europe, have one, and they work just fine thank you. They just don’t put the whole unit in the window. See here

GBU_28 ,

That looks like shit

brbposting ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/de565482-3b3e-4871-bf82-59798ec71acc.jpeg

GBU_28 ,

Wut

brbposting ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9103a2ac-7a07-4277-8aff-bf26aff47a41.webp

It’s the portable air conditioner window hose!

GBU_28 ,

10/10 clarification

realitista ,
@realitista@lemmy.world avatar

Okay but still beats having useless us style windows everywhere.

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure if you pay the AC unit yourself nobody will oppose lol

psud ,

Rent a place with air con installed?

Steve ,

Not true, modern window units are very efficient

ExLisper ,

Window mounted units are still terrible for comfort. External AC unit is like 300 euro + 300 euro for installation. It’s not a big investment and you get totally silent unit. In Europe people will use portable units if it’s short term and install external one if it’s permanent.

GissaMittJobb ,

The quoted prices I saw for installation were a lot higher, more like 700 euro, but that probably depends on the cost of labour where you are.

There are also non-monetary aspects to this issue - I’m not allowed to make any modifications to my facade on account of it being made out of asbestos, for example. I’d have to get a specialist to cut the hole to make that work. It’s also a bit tricky to fit in an outside unit - or inside unit for that matter - on my walls.

I’m in complete agreement that mini splits are superior, but the downsides do exist and need to be acknowledged.

ExLisper ,

Yep, I’m just saying that 90% of people in Europe will simply go with external AC. Where I live most new apartments simply come with central AC installed and roof top units. But that’s in southern Spain, AC is a must.

GissaMittJobb ,

Absolutely. I’m speaking mostly from a Swedish apartment-perspective, where ACs have been optional basically forever, but the climate crisis is quickly making them more and more mandatory each year.

Andrzej ,

Integrated AC ftw bebeh

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not like our windows don’t open, they just don’t tilt. I frequently open the windows and get a breeze going when it’s nice outside!

Tehhund ,

Yes, but it’s an inferior breeze.

fellstone ,
@fellstone@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What does that even mean?

Tehhund ,

It’s a joke.

psud ,

With the weather outside today in my Australian town a nice 24°C temperature I have a window at each end of the house open.

At one end of the house the window tilts (bottom out), the window at the other end other slides.

The sliding window has much more space — half of the viewing area — open to the breeze than the tilting

Tar_alcaran ,

Ah, but that classic wood-on-wood sliding window, where all that stands between a destructive crash is an irreplaceable rope installed inside walls when the house was built.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

They aren’t that difficult to repair if you have basic carpentry skills. All you have to do is take the sash out and open the side of the frame and you’ll have access to the weight and pulley. They’re designed to be pretty easy to do. YouTube probably has hundreds of videos on it. You just want to be careful about lead paint if it’s an old house and you’re producing dust or disturbing old paint.

Gumbyyy ,

If your windows are 40+ years old, then sure. But that’s not a thing anymore for modern windows.

abbadon420 ,

Good morning Vietnam Europe

sic_semper_tyrannis ,

I tried finding a company who sold those windows in my city here in the USA and failed.

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

You need to go through a window company and have them custom-made. They’ll come over to your house and take measurements then build them at their factory and then install them. It will take a few weeks and will be expensive, but for my money it’s worth it.

Where I live Andersen is probably the best as they come with a forever warranty on everything including the glass itself, but they may or may not be in your area. There are plenty of other reputable companies as well. Again, this is not a cheap option.

sic_semper_tyrannis ,

Thank you. I’ll look into that option

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

The cool thing about Andersen is that even if the glass on your window gets accidentally broken for whatever reason, it’s still covered by their forever warranty and they will come and repair it for free. The downside is that they are, again, very expensive.

I personally think it’s worth it and have Andersen windows on my house.

notsofunnycomment ,
@notsofunnycomment@mander.xyz avatar

Tilt it baby

GluWu ,

In America we have to keep our windows closed to keep out the fent smoke and bullets.

pkill , (edited )

your walls won’t save you from the latter tho

Prandom_returns ,

Bullets are not ghosts, they can’t go through walls, stupid

greenteadrinker ,

I think it’s a joke that American houses (in the eyes of Europeans) are made out of sticks (stud framing in the house) and paper (drywall is made from gypsum and has a paper backing)

In European countries, their houses are made of tougher materials like stone, concrete, or some other material I’m forgetting about

It’s a known thing in America that stray bullets end up in people’s houses (and sometimes their residents) when it’s an American holiday like 4th of July or Memorial Day

psud ,

America tends to build with the cheapest materials. So wood framed houses are clad in wood or plastic

Australia copied a lot from America. Our houses also are wood framed, but we use brick cladding and concrete tile roofs

New tech is more available now. If I were to build today it would be out of foamed plastic and reinforced concrete (as insulated concrete forms). And I’d use tilt/swing windows

pkill ,

yeah in some states like the Tornado Alley or California (earthquakes) ig that might actually make more sense since sometimes such materials might withstand more force than brick

psud ,

Not an issue in Australia, but I bet brick stops or slows bullets more than wood

Our brick construction doesn’t do well in earthquakes. If a roof is going to fall on you, you don’t want it made of tiles

irmoz , (edited )

They can go through shitty American drywall

post brought to you by brick wall gang

captainlezbian ,

If bullets can go through drywall then why am I allowed to shoot anyone who enters my home? That would clearly be dangerous /s

AlexWIWA ,

Rifle rounds will go right through brick too unless they’re as wide as cinder blocks and filled. Shit’s scary.

pkill ,

another brutalism W :hoxha:

AlexWIWA ,

I want all my architecture to look like the Forerunners built it

fl42v ,

Should’ve installed linux 🤷

SonnyVabitch ,

Should’ve installed velux

mryessir ,

Velux just gone through the roof!

LillyPip ,

I am referring to Linux as ‘tilted Windows’ from now on and you can’t stop me.

Octopus1348 ,
@Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.

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