I use it the same way I did on Reddit; it's a decent gauge in how willing I am to engage with that person. If their history is littered with downvoted posts, then I'm less likely to engage because it's more likely they're being inflammatory on purpose.
Karma systems don't make places worse; the value placed upon them by the users does. It's not meant to be a counter for how liked you are, it's supposed to be representative of how you interact with the community; bad karma for bad interactions. But people use downvote as a disagree button, and people spam posts cause "big number make feel good". Good idea, difficult implementation given how humans work.
I agree that’s what it supposed to be, but nobody really treats it like that. Downvotes are treated as a “dislike” button, despite the fact that it should be “this does not contribute meaningfully.“
Regardless of what we want, that’s just how people operate.
Karma usually doesn’t work because it is used, as you said, a like button and not a quality button. Disagreeing with the majority is considered a violation.
I’m on connect for lemmy and also have a total count on my profile page.
Actually, isn’t it up to the client? The dev can decide what to feature in the profile page. The fact is, every user has points for posts and comments. Maybe they are just adding the numbers up? Afaik Reddit had some other maths behind the karma count
Reddit has a karma sum which is used to deny access from posting altogether. Here if you say something unpopular, you don’t get the dopamine hit from upvotes, but you’re also not silenced, unless the mod explicitly bans you.
While I agree unpopular opinions often get shouted down, i think people often forget that sometimes what they consider an “unpopular opinion” is unpopular because it’s abhorrent or just wrong lol. Not every comment/idea is valid and deserves to be entertained.
Being anti-vax is unpopular in a lot of circles and I am perfectly happy with seeing those comments downvoted/ removed and the users banned.
I understand what you’re trying to do, but I am not interested in playing this game.
On a sidenote: I saw Oppenheimer recently as well, but let’s not shoehorn quantum physics into a discussion to make your point seem more elevated than it is.
Post limits based on Karma where rather rare on reddit or usually just required some small amount of inital karma to keep spam account out. But it was harldy ever a limiting factor. For the most part it was just some number.
Some places had a thousand karma before being able to comment or post, that’s not an easy hill to climb, especially if you say the wrong thing somewhere and people take offense to it for no reason.
Well it’s for no real good reason I should say, why is it always just the fourth comment in a chain that gets downvoted, because of the tropes and circlejerks.
I was just trying to understand how you wanted me to respond to that comment, nothing nefarious or anything. You had a “why“ statement with no ? then a statement after, so I was just trying to make sure I was understanding you correctly and respond appropriately and such. Just your typical “lost in translation“ with text formats.
Ah, sorry that makes sense now, was asking a rhetorical question and answering it. There is of course a reason, but that reason may just be silly, so to a large portion of people it would be for seemingly no reason.
Covering all bases, and yes it would be confusing, that’s kinda the point, since there really isn’t a reason for some of the mass downvotes.
Yeah, I found people always made a bigger deal out of that than it really was. I think folks just assume other people are having trouble even though they didn’t personally.
Even if the numbers don’t carry elsewhere in a meaningful way, seeing the high positive number next to your post still means that other people agreed with/liked what you said on that particular post/comment. And that alone can give a mild dopamine hit.
Less useful for bots trying to farm rep for nefarious reasons, more useful for real people who can feel the joy of a moment.
How are you not silenced exactly like you would be on Reddit? People downvotes posts and comments they don’t agree with exactly like reddit, but here if the admins disagree they defederate entire instances over it. Hot page is completely useless compared to reddit, so only the most upvotes posts from the most popular subs are visible, and comments have the exact same issues reddit comments had. Nothing about this system is mechanically different from reddits system, baring how votes get totaled because of federation, (also the hot sort is uses).
In a way I agree. In my experience with Reddit, the closest you’ll get to posting somewhere with zero downvote risk is in r/CasualConversation, and even there, there have been times I’ve had fate handed to me because of some form of bad influence. There was one question where I basically got called a narcissist for, of all things, asking for advice on what makes an apology good, and ended up getting the short end of the karma stick.
Sometimes things get weird with upvotes and downvotes. I’ve been downvoted for pointing out that RCV still has spoilers, which is just a mathematical fact, but people don’t like bad news.
That is usually to avoid bots. Any normal person can easily get a couple hundred karma by just posting a bit or commenting a few times, but any bot doing the same is gonna undergo scrutiny.
Bots just repost comments that were popular in the past and get huge amounts of karma, then delete said post before anyone catches on and starts and downvote wave.
True. But then you got 1 karma for every comment you made anywhere on the site and often the requirement was like 50 karma.
Restricting posts to users who have managed to make a maximum of 50 comments that didn’t overwhelmingly piss everyone off isn’t actually very restrictive.
I really don’t buy into any of this “oh, you had to only say what people wanted you to say!” handwringing. I never once saw a user with negative karma who wasn’t just there to actively cause trouble. I’m quite certain this notion that you had to subscribe to some sort of groupthink to make it through the karma system originates from a very tiny number of people who perceive not being actively anti-social in a social space as oppressive persecution of their “totally valid” “alternative opinions”. By all means, show me accounts that were actually participating in good faith that were pushed out of the conversation by the karma system and I’ll loudly complain with you on their behalf.
But you can’t do that. Because they’re always some flavour of racist nazi troll dickhead.
I said whatever the hell I wanted and was frequently confrontational or contrarian and still had some embarrassingly high amount of karma simply because I participated a lot and wasn’t actively there to fuck things up by intentionally being a toxic edge-lord troll.
Yes it does. Some filtering is done by reddit and some by the mods. Also your votes don’t count if you don’t have certain amount of karma accumulated on the sub you are voting.
It impacts what you post as people game the system or even just refrain from opening a new dialouge or saying somthing controvertial.
That number needs to be sold to you with hype, reddit did that because it drove traffic and addicted people. People putting a short 2 word answer just to farm karma, relizing it or not.
Trolls love and others don relize how reddit hilighting the golden number makes people have a varry weak mind. to me, you and others, its a mild static electric shock. To the artifitially grown man babies, its an electricution
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