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badbytes ,

Sounds like parent company is Disney

warmaster ,

I bet it’s a PR stunt to cover the fact they are just downsizing their mismanaged business.

SwallowsDick ,

Like retail chains blaming theft for shutting down locations

quams69 ,

Why do these ghouls run businesses in an industry they clearly don’t have any faith in or understanding of,

postmateDumbass ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/923acccf-7791-444a-a7ed-9f0e72b694ac.jpeg

Fedizen , (edited )

sequels of what?

My highest play time game is probably minecraft, and my recent go-to is slay the spire.

Sequels are seen as safer profits (there is an existing market) so they get more investment and more investment tends to make better games.

This doesn’t mean its what people want, it just means that name recognition means its cheaper to market a hit game with previous versions acting as a marketing boost. Its a feedback loop.

flop_leash_973 ,

It is always amusing to see the head of optional entertainment industries make statements like they are making a declaration on par with climate change, a economic depression, etc. As if they expect massive press coverage and endless crying by their would be customers.

When in reality the actual reaction by most is along the lines of “oh no, anyway” and move on to the next bit of optional entertainment media while they and their company are forgotten to the trash pile of failed companies.

Grangle1 ,

What gamers want is innovation and overall fun gameplay, sequel or not. I’ve heard rather little coming from AAA studios of interest to me as of late 'cause they’ve all gone to creating endless battle royales, action RPGs or looter-shooters that all play near identically, all with the same military or techno jungle aesthetic that just doesn’t appeal to me. It’s all gunning for their game to get big on that e-sport sponsorship money or find some way to load their games with micro transaction pay to win gambling BS. For the most part, small and indie studios are doing as well as the AAA big boys because they are able to put more creativity into their games on smaller budgets. When a big AAA game such as BG3 does succeed, it’s because they put as much or more effort and care into innovative and entertaining gameplay as they do into fancy ray tracing graphics and cash grab mechanics. Games like BG3 are as praised as they are because they are complete games that work like they should out of the box, no day 1 patch/DLC or extra money required for the full intended experience. We get the quality we expect for our $60-$70. Whether that’s a brand new IP or a sequel doesn’t matter much.

Crozekiel ,

My only quibble with this is that I’m not sure I’d classify larian as a AAA studio. Not when you’re comparing to Activision or Bethesda or something. The game is absolutely amazing, I’ve put over 700 hours in and am still playing it. I can’t think of any of the big AAA studios releasing a game that comes close anytime in the last decade.

Gonzako ,

Execs see baldurs gate 3 doing great and they don’t get further than the title lol

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah if the sequels are good and not like Payday 3…

Rhoeri ,

The future of entertainment is bleak as fuck.

slaacaa ,

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Theharpyeagle ,

Meh, at least as far as the games industry goes, we’ve been here before. Really the past few years have been incredible for games, now it’s time to settle into another stretch of mediocrity as companies learn the same lessons over again. Super sucks for the devs, though, seems they always get the shortest end of the stick.

isles ,

And I’m here trying to figure out which assumptions have to be true for this statement to be true.

vettnerk ,

So for the next 20 years all AAA game publishers will do the game equivalent of only releasing MCU/DC reboots, sequels and prequels?

Ecksell ,
@Ecksell@lemmy.one avatar

Ah yes the anime treatment. Only release reboots, sequels, prequels, and poor spinoffs. For every One Punch Man, Mob Psycho 100, Chainsaw Man, or Megalobox, there are way more re-do’s or milking such as Yet Another Gundam Series, a new Bleach something or another, InuYasha retread, Trigun reboot, Hunter x Hunter reboot, FMA Brotherhood, Fruits Basket, Fate/Stay universe, Evangelion remake, everything DragonBall…I could go on. It’s rather depressing.

Games are just following the curves established by other artistic mediums over the decades when laziness and greed wins, as it always does. Even The Last of Us wasn’t safe.

1847953620 ,

last r we

Duamerthrax ,

Sounds like you just need to stay away from Shonen series.

ByGourou ,

For every reboot sequel and prequel there are 10 new series. There are around 40 different new anime this season. (Without counting Chinese, musics, poor quality and children’s show). Take a look at myanimelist seasonal anime.

(Anime in Japan come out in season : winter, spring, summer, fall. So they start and finish roughly at the same time).
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And most or your example are pretty bad,

  • bleach just got an end that everyone liked
  • hunter hunter was paused because the author is sick, it never stopped and it’s not a reboot
  • FMA brotherhood was great because it fixed the issue with FMA : the end of the anime was made before the manga. And it’s 2009 come on you can’t use that to say that nowadays there’s only reboots
  • yeah they are milking the fate franchise and evangelion, and their community is all for it
Phegan ,

Game devs should unionize

GeneralEmergency ,

A quick 5 minute search shows me that this is true. Lots of articles and lists out there. And the only games I could see that weren’t sequels or remakes, are Starfield and Harry Potter.

This isn’t a new development either. Pong had a sequel.

orion2145 ,

Elden Ring. Cyberpunk. Outer Wilds. HiFi Rush. Stray. Midnight Suns (licensed like Potter but original).

Not saying a lot. But far from none. And alongside Starfield and Horizon Forbidden West (second game in an original series) it’s hardly no original titles.

GeneralEmergency ,

Not arguing. Just stating my experience.

BananaTrifleViolin ,

Ironic for a company that published indie hits like Terraria and fresh mainstream games like A Tale of 2 Sons.

This does not reflect the whole gaming market but rather the failure of publishers to innovate well and make new things people like. Big publishers are risk averse and it's a common path them as they get bigger, and care more about shareholder value or venture capital. They won't take risks, and can't accept failures so they retrench. It's not a recipe for success as that end of the games market is already dominated by big publishers churning out annual versions of their mass market games.

A publisher like 505 r ally only has two possible futures on this road - go bankrupt as they can't compete or get bought out by a big fish who want their IP.

It doesn't say much abou the games market as it's actually very large, vibrant and varied. A publisher like 505 is not on the vanguard of the games market and like most people I had to look them up to even see which games they had published. This is just yet another company being mismanaged into oblivion and well beyond its hey day.

NightAuthor ,

Isn’t baulders gate a good example of an indie dev doing good work and not just playing it safe? While also not going bankrupt.

KermitLeFrog ,

Baldur’s gate is the third installment in a decades old franchise that is based on d&d, a franchise that has been established for nearly 50 years now

iheartneopets ,

Yet it still managed to be fresh and, in my opinion, make the next big leap in what rpgs are capable of. Sequels aren’t really the problem, and I don’t mind them really—in a vacuum. The bigger problem is what ‘sequels’ are in corporate speak; making minimal effort and doing the same things over and over again, trying to profit off of name recognition alone. They don’t see a franchise and think “Great, a chance to dive into this world and see all it has to offer and what makes it tick,” they see it as a chance to make maximum $$$ while not feeling like they need to do much.

Once again, corpos ruin everything.

Astaroth ,

Calling BG3 a sequel is very disingenuous, it shares nothing in common with BG1 and BG2 besides the name.

Being based on d&d and having two previous big hits in a row (Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2) obviously mattered though.

KermitLeFrog ,

Right, but from the perspective of a gaming company CEO, it being a sequel is everything. You have to remember, these people are incredibly uninformed and shortsighted. Think of the dumbest person you’ve interacted with ever, and that’s about as intelligent as the smartest CEO. They see that Baldur’s Gate 3 sold well, and all they learn from that is that sequels are a profitable endeavor. They couldn’t care less about any of the context that makes it a good game.

JoeKrogan , (edited )
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

Never even heard of them. For a start we want no always online bullshit, no battle passes or micro transactions. No stupid launchers either.

Son_of_dad ,

I keep finding all these cool games and instantly get deflated when I find out they’re online. I want single player, i really don’t like playing with other people.

JoeKrogan ,
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

I feel you, I mostly skip the online parts unless they are private games with a few people I know.

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

I remember being a kid playing Morrowind and really wishing my friends could play with me.

Now I’m an adult and I don’t want to play with the kids. They have way more time to play and take my ass to the cleaners. After the umpteenth time getting tea bagged while some 13 year old goes on about fucking my mother, his voice breaking repeatedly throughout, I swore off multiplayer.

S491 ,

I don’t know of you know this or care anymore but there is a pretty solid morrowind multiplayer mod out now

Wes_Dev ,

And VR mod too.

jjjalljs ,

There’s a jump between your first paragraph and the second. In the first one you said you wanted to play with your friends. But in the second you got the worst of Internet boys.

I also wanted to play Morrowind with my friends. We got Elder Scrolls Online but that’s a monkey’s paw wish. I wanted drop in multiplayer and an experience more like left 4 dead. I don’t want randoms. I want my friends. I don’t want a big always online persistent world. I want the single player world, but with my friends.

If I keep going I’m just going to reinvent Baldur’s Gate 3 multiplayer. That’s basically what I wanted back when. Not the MMO shit.

Hell, even the dark souls “summon a friend in” is like 70% of what I wanted.

corytheboyd , (edited )
@corytheboyd@kbin.social avatar

You may not agree, but they are right. We are not most people. They want, and they have, that sweet “lowest common denominator” market, and they will take advantage of that until something else generates more cash. The “lowest common denominator” demand more CoD and whatnot. They don’t care if it’s bad, because them and all their friends will buy it and perhaps even have some fun. The big studios converging on vapid cash grabs instead of creating interesting content is depressing, sure, but hardly surprising in a world where morals and ethics don’t matter, where you can get away with the absolute most heinous, reprehensible acts, and suffer zero consequences.

I don’t really care though. The indie scene is unaffected by this, and has only gotten better every year for as long as it has been around. It’s fucking GLORIOUS already, and it’s not going anywhere because it’s not run by an oligarchy of publicly traded shitfactories.

Narrrz ,

and the open source, free tools for creating such games are getting better almost by the day.

Djennik ,

There is still hope in projects like baldurs gate 3

GenEcon ,

Which is a sequel…

The best selling new game was Hogwarts Legacy. Which still has a strong IP behind it (which really was the only reason the game was selling so much).

The only game in the top 10 of the best selling games 2023 without being a sequel or having a strong IP behind it, is Starfield.

DrQuint ,

Yeah. I’m of the same mind. I was here to witness the resurgence of Boomer and Movement Shooters. Now, we’re in the cusp of the resurgence of RTS. I am very much happy with the state of gaming, without having to focus on sequels.

The last game published by 505 I played were apparently Indivisible, which was trash. I never played Ghostrunner nor Control which basically eliminates most of their notable recent output. I think I can safely say I’ll be fine with my continued ignoring of them as a publisher.

Entropywins ,
@Entropywins@kbin.social avatar

Some people didn't like it but I fucking loved Control...great game and worth a play imho

Carlo ,

It’s very well done! It wasn’t really on my radar, but I got it for free from epic, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Ditto Kingdom Come: Deliverance. I think the only things I’ve paid for on the epic store are the dlc from those gems.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Yup. They’ll let smaller studios take risks on new IP and buy them if it’s profitable. They get the wins but none of the losses.

slaacaa ,

Also, making a good game is always a risk, it’s an intersection of tech, business, and art. Control e.g. sold only a few million copies, depsite being widely praised.

If you however want be sure, you invest a lot in marketing and monetisation, targeting a wide audience as you said, and can take a lower risk to make back your investment. Absolutely hate this of course, but luckily there are still good games, as long as e.g. Sony is willing to take that risk to sell more PS consoles, or we get wonders like BG3

Asafum ,

Spacebourne 2.

Not polished as it’s still in early access, not amazing graphics, but turning out to be a damn good game that most “AAA” developers wouldn’t even try to make, that was made by one guy (and now a small team of volunteers/contractors lol)

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