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reagansrottencorpse , in Check out the results of 🔥 Fuck Capitalism Jam 2024 🔥 for some great indie games and media projects

Lol @ “centrist simulator”

Ageroth , in Moonring on Steam (free beer alert)

I’ve played through the first dungeon so far and I like it so far.

simple , in Moonring on Steam (free beer alert)

I played it on release and it’s pretty fun but not for everyone. It’s an open world adventure game (not actually a roguelike) and it’s pretty vague on what you need to do and where you need to go. It’s super polished and still interesting, I’d recommend it for fans of old-school adventure games.

Kecessa , (edited ) in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players

In 2022 the median household income in the USA was $74 580, that means 50% of households had less than $74 580 in income.

A person that has at least a billion in wealth (like Gabe Newell) owns at least the equivalent of 13 409 times the median income.

I would love to illustrate it by copy pasting $74580 13409 times, but it creates a comment too long Lemmy.

If we go by net worth instead?

www.fool.com/…/average-net-worth-americans/

5190 US medians, 25 615 US medians for people under 35 (the crowd on this platform).

No one deserves that kind of wealth and anything that’s done to prevent it is a good thing.

brsrklf , in Moonring on Steam (free beer alert)

Extremely positive actual roguelike? I need to try that.

Dremor ,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

And free !

SandLight ,

It’s only kind of a rogue like from what I could tell. It doesn’t really have permanent death, though the dungeons are random each time you enter so if you die in one you need to start anew in there.

It’s cool though

Mr_Dr_Oink , in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players

What a load of rubbish.

Ab_intra , in Moonring on Steam (free beer alert)
@Ab_intra@lemmy.world avatar

Hold my beer!

BigTrout75 , in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players

How can this be? All the games I buy on Steam are cheaper than on other platforms. Where are these cheaper games?

Simulation6 ,

I think that is the main point of the lawsuit, if developers sell their game on Steam they can’t sell it cheaper somewhere else. If Value gets 30% the developer has to raise the price a bit to compensate and they have to raise it everywhere. Outside of sales I don’t think most games that are not on Steam are much cheaper elsewhere, so not sure how this plays out.

Donut ,

That’s exactly what they’re trying to say. It could have been cheaper if Valve didn’t have pricing clauses that doesn’t allow developers to price things cheaper elsewhere.

cheddar , in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players
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My favorite recent example:

…steampowered.com/…/Banishers_Ghosts_of_New_Eden/ (50 EUR)

playstation.com/…/banishers-ghosts-of-new-eden/ (60 EUR)

PS5 game on sale did cost 2 EUR less than the regular price on Steam. I don’t think Steam overcharges me. It’s not like the game is cheaper somewhere else on PC either: …epicgames.com/…/banishers-ghosts-of-new-eden-f9e… (50 EUR)

altima_neo , in Final Fantasy X: Why The PS2 Version Reigns Supreme
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I always thought it was weird how the characters had high poly heads but super low poly bodies during cut scenes.

overload ,

And the new high poly heads look quite a bit worse. Tidus from the remaster would look right at home in Team America.

Zahille7 ,

“Everyone has AIDS!”

Pxtl , in UNBEATABLE - Trailer
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The animation and aesthetic is amazing and I like the music but … what’s the gameplay? I confess I got a little disappointed when it shifted to platformer perspective.

Kolanaki , in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players
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Why is the 30% publishing cut of dev sales thing even part of a CLA of players? It literally doesn’t affect them.

magi ,

Who do you think ends up paying it in the end…? I’m a steam simp regardless, but cmon.

Kolanaki ,
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If games on Steam were 30% more expensive than anywhere else, you (and the lawsuit’s plaintiffs) might have had a point.

magi , (edited )

So price gauging a conditioned marked that has been heavily influenced by Steam just doesn’t exist? Steam also enforce a strict key price parity. Regardless of whether you care or not, if you think a 30% cut doesn’t reflect on the cost a player is paying, you’re out of your mind. This is business 101. I also care little. I would choose Steam as a platform over anything available right now.

stardust ,

Steam also enforce a strict key price parity.

Do they?

isthereanydeal.com/game/helldivers-2/info/

if you think a 30% cut doesn’t reflect on the cost a player is paying, you’re out of your mind. This is business 101.

Isn’t business 101 charging as much as possible and not passing on savings to customers, and trying to capture as much high paying consumers as possible before being forced to start capturing price sensitive consumers with discounts?

Price of games that didn’t release on Steam seem to reflect that. Even games released by platform owners like Sony or Nintendo first party exclusives and the beloved Blizzard. Isn’t that pricing strategy business 101 as opposed to this belief that savings pass onto consumers? Lowering price right away doesn’t seem like good price maximizing strategy when goal would be to increase retail price consumers are willing to pay over time.

Kayana ,

As far as I know, they do - for Steam keys. If you’re selling your game through other stores, not just a Steam key, there aren’t any demands placed upon you. The OC might’ve been talking about that.

stardust ,

Those are steam keys.

I’ve bought most of games through other sites because the games would be discounted lower and sooner than Steam. So it’s more personal experience than theory in my case.

Humble bundles on the even more extreme end of like 8 games sometimes being cheaper than a single title has ever been discounted.

Kayana ,

Huh, interesting… You know, I’ve never really wondered about Humble Bundle specifically, but you’re right, they seem to be selling your run-of-the-mill Steam keys, or at least you can activate them effortlessly in Steam. Maybe it’s a case of Steam themselves handing out keys (instead of the publishers) to increase user retention? I honestly don’t know, this is all just speculation.

I actually didn’t click on your link at first, because I assumed it would just show other stores where you could purchase the whole game instead of a key, so I’m sorry that you had to clarify that.

stardust ,

Isthereanydeals is a great resource. I always make sure to look up a game there before buying to check what the lowest price it was ever sold was.

That link was for helldivers 2 which is only available on steam on pc. From what I understand the keys are actually provided by the devs/publishers and steam doesn’t get a cut of key sales.

ashok36 ,

Yes. You understand how pricing works. The stores charge what the market will bear. That’s why games had been stuck at $60 since the 360/PS3 era.

Nibodhika ,

Steam also enforce a strict key price parity.

No it doesn’t. The price parity thing is only if you are selling the game on Steam platform, i.e. selling a steam key, it’s essentially a way to allow publishers to sell the game on their own website, without paying the 30% to steam, but don’t allow them to undercut steam entirely while still taking advantage of their platform.

Games on GoG, itch, Epic store, etc, can have any price they want, as long as they don’t give away a steam key valve doesn’t care what price you sell your game elsewhere.

This is one of the most annoying fake news out there, Valve are going above and beyond what any other store is doing, and they get bad rep from people who have never read their policy, published a game there, or talked to anyone who has.

Carighan ,
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Certainly not the players, given current costs - where Steam is virtually always cheaper than elsewhere.

OutlierBlue , in Thrive: An open-source evolution game inspired by Spore

Cool. I’ve never heard of this. I tossed the devs a few bucks by picking it up on Steam.

catalyst , in UNBEATABLE - Trailer
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I love the aesthetic of this. I played the white label version back when it came out and then kinda forgot it existed till now. I’m not always big on rhythm games so I’m not yet sure if this will be for me. But I can already tell the OST is gonna rip.

Copernican , in $843 million lawsuit against Valve already has its own website: "The Steam Claim" accuses the biggest store in PC gaming of "overcharging" players

How is Lemmy so anti corporate, but bends over backwards to defend steam as an immaculate corporation. I love steam, and 90% of my game purchases or from their store. 5% are from stores that let me redeem steam keys.

I think their market position should have some scrutiny.

catloaf ,

Lemmy is not a monolith.

Copernican ,

Obviously. I’m Lemmy and against that. But there are dominant pov’s on Lemmy that saturate threads and are reflected in up votes and down votes

Fubarberry ,
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A few reasons:

  • I feel like any other major company with Steam’s marketshare would be far less consumer friendly than steam.
  • Steam funnels a lot of money into Linux, and Linux is very popular on Lemmy. If you use Linux, you are benefiting from Steam’s success.
  • Steam is just nice to use, and has good deals. It’s nice to have my games in one place, and I don’t know if any other storefront with as many nice user benefiting features as steam.
Copernican ,

I agree with all these things. But I dont understand the hail corporate mentality of being upset or knee jerk defending steam. I’m curious to see where the suit goes and evaluate if I should consider joining a class action suit as I learn more.

the_toast_is_gone ,

They’re not immaculate. They used to outright deny people the right to refund their games, but they turned that around after a massive lawsuit from a government agency. Good change! I support that. But they’re not behaving in an anti-competitive manner. What, are they supposed to intentionally make themselves worse in the hopes that other stores pop up? That’s not how any of this works.

SuperIce ,

Mainly because Steam actually provides a really good quality service. Most corporations over time charge more while getting worse on quality. People can sell their games for cheaper on Epic which only has a 12% fee, but Epic’s service is much worse.

furikuri ,

Yup. If Steam wasn’t around I’d have the joy of choosing between Epic, Origin, GOG (actually not bad but no official Linux client can be annoying), or GFWL (which would probably still be around in this situation)

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