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nodimetotie ,

Given the criticism of Fandom, why not use a Piped link instead of YT? It’s like criticizing YT on YT.

Flax_vert ,

YT isn’t fandom-level bad.

nodimetotie ,

It’s certainly heading in that direction

overkill0485 ,

Whats the alternative?

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Independent wikis for those media franchises that have them.

Vipsu ,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Does this mean self-hosting the wiki?
Because that increase the barrier of entry by tenfold as a lot of publishers/game studios do not host their own wikis.

MargotRobbie ,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Or use a wiki host that’s not affiliated with Fandom.

But they did buy out Gamepedia too…

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

for Minecraft, minecraft.wiki

for others i don’t know, some will have alternatives and others won’t…

1simpletailer , (edited )
@1simpletailer@startrek.website avatar

It really just depends on the fandom. Three more I know of are Bulbapedia for Pokemon, The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages for the Elder Scrolls, and Wookiepedia for Star Wars. They are all very comprehensive and functional.

Edit: Forgot about the Super Mario Wiki too.

simple OP ,

Aside from self-hosting your own wiki, wiki.gg seems to be the popular option. Terraria’s official wiki is now terraria.wiki.gg and it’s great.

bingrazer ,

I’ve also used miraheze (miraheze.org)

SPOOPYGHOST ,

The main WoW wiki has moved to wiki.gg too :)

ChaoticNeutralCzech ,

Self-hosting using MediaWiki

XbSuper ,

Unless the game your playing made their own, or someone else decided to self host and actually fill it with content (and finding it can be a pain), there isn’t one.

Hoping someone knows a good fallout wiki, I hate using fandom, but it’s the only one I can find with good info.

g6d3np81 ,
@g6d3np81@kbin.social avatar

Regarding SEO, What's stopping maintainers from vandalizing their own fandom page?

It would not be difficult to make a bot to update fandom page with a convincing but slightly wrong info, after a few hundred iterations, it's all useless. Go look at what google recommend and do complete opposite. I'm convinced this will bomb ranking and put whatever wiki they migrated to at the top.

djsoren19 ,

The disinformation doesn’t really matter. The fandom wiki’s naturally become incorrect over time, since they’re typically no longer maintained after a community switches, so vandalizing it after the fact won’t really change anything. For Path of Exile, it took the developers linking to the new wiki, and about two years of the community sending new players to the correct wiki, before it even started to show up in searches. Even then, I believe the fandom wiki still shows up first if you look at some of the very old entries.

g6d3np81 ,
@g6d3np81@kbin.social avatar

Misinformation may reduce repeat visit, that part, I have no idea if google take into account when they rank the result. Domain/page age also plays a role. But what about other "problems"? If I try to de-optimize every items on that guide, will it speed up the de-rank as well?

Stovetop ,

UESP has also been the best information resource for Elder Scrolls since forever but that doesn’t stop Fandom’s Elder Scrolls Wiki from being the first result if you Google “Dunmer”.

bigredcar ,

The biggest insult is that Jimbo Wales of Wikipedia helped create fandom because he was fed up of people using Wikipedia to create detailed articles about fictional characters and video games. Wikipedia now has an artificially strict notability policy where things are falsely declared as not notable so they can be monetized on Fandom, all while Jimbo Wales has the gall to ask for money for his “non profit” Wikipedia while he makes the real money on Fandom.

RickyRigatoni ,
@RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

If this is real I’ll be genuinely glad I haven’t donated to wikipedia yet.

Pxtl ,
@Pxtl@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean the conspiracy theory side of it is questionable but the basic facts are true:

  1. Wikipedia has a policy against non-notable things. They were always embarrassed by the fact that every detailed version of every Pokemon had its own page, whereas the pages for important historical events were stubs. The WP:Notability standard has been the bane of every garage band and open-source game and DVD extra that was booted off the site because trivia cannot meaningfully be checked, trivia that otherwise allows hoax articles to live on.
  2. Jimbo Wales decided to profit off of the desire to create fan-encyclopedias or even complete nonsense (like, for example, Penny Arcade’s Elemenstor Saga wiki, which details the history of a novel series and anime and cardgame that never existed) by creating Wikia, the for-profit Wikipedia that had no standards about what you could put on it besides legality. Just create your own Wikia and run it with an iron fist.

Now, the question is whether he did (1) in order to drive profitable users to (2). That’s where the conspiracy question lives. And I tend to assume good faith. People’s morals erode over time, not all at once. Since both (1) and (2) are totally legitimate, but profit motive encourages the millimetre-by-millimetre enshittification of Wikia into the horrible thing it is today.

AnxiousOtter ,

It doesn’t seem so devious to me. He wanted Wikipedia to be considered a serious source of information which admittedly, detailed pages for video games, fictional characters and such would work against that goal. Being a non profit also works towards being taken seriously in the eyes of some.

So he created a secondary company to host that content and profit from it. Why not, I would argue. Don’t use the product If you don’t like it. I personally hate wikia. It’s slow and covered in ads. The question I ask is why is there no competition in the space? Jimbo’s not on the hook for that.

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

The video posted is actually all about what the competition is like :) its hard to compete with a huge company like wikia/fandom, but folks are making it work anyway, and that’s pretty cool. I really enjoyed the video

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be very curious to hear more details on this, do you happen to have a source handy, or any recommended reading?

In fairness, the money he gets from being a scumbag with fandom probably can’t be used to fund Wikipedia unless he wants to donate the money he’s making from his business to run his nonprofit. It’s not surprising he wouldn’t do that (even if thats the way the world ought to work) and I don’t presently have reason to believe he personally gets anything out of the donations that are given to keep Wikipedia running

Moneo ,

I love hearsay and dramatic “quotations”.

jacktherippah ,

Honestly, fuck Fandom. Do we have a Fediverse alternative?

Flax_vert ,

Why would we need a fediverse alternative 😂 unless you want to go around editing wikis with your mastodon account, wikis are basically just static webpages. It’s called HTML 😂

Kolanaki ,
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I, for one, would be totally cool having a single account to do everything online as long as it had really good security. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Gestrid ,

Believe it or not, Wikipedia actually does use a single global account for all of its wikis. That includes Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikimedia Commons, and almost every other site listed on their website. The only one you have to create a separate account for is their test wiki where they test new versions of MediaWiki (the software they develop for their wikis).

mosiacmango ,

Fandom was founded by Jimmy wales, who its current CEO. He is the cofounder of Wikipedia, so that’s a bit ironic.

Gestrid ,

Jimmy Wales actually isn’t as directly involved in Wikipedia as he once was. These days, he only holds the chair emeritus and the founder’s seat on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.

His chair position changed to a chair emeritus in 2006, and the site implemented the unified login feature in May 2008, though they’d been discussing implementing the feature since 2005.

DestinyGrey ,

Wikis like Fandom typically make it easy/easier to create and edit pages. Wiki editors are rare and you want to make it as easy for them to latch onto helping and volunteering as is possible.

Maybe a fediverse option isn’t needed (though the below comment’s point about having a central account would make it easier for a lot of users), but having a convenient and easy way to create a wiki for your favorite fandom, without using Fandom would go a long way toward breaking Fandom’s hold over the entertainment sections of the internet.

astral_avocado ,

Just use dokuwifi or media wiki or any of the already made OSS self-hosted solutions…

Natanael ,

There’s Fossil which is a version control system with a wiki, so you can just straight up fork and mirror existing wikis.

Cethin ,

I learned about this plug in the other day. Indie Wiki Buddy. It’s not a fediverse alternative, but it’s the next best thing. It can redirect your Fandom results to their independent alternatives.

AceFuzzLord ,

For just about every single pokemon fan game I play, the fandom wiki pages have pretty much been utter garbage. Either they’re out of date, contain almost no useful info, or have a slew of other problems making it as painful as falling in a bunch of cacti. Same for most other ones I used to visit.

Will admit, Pokemon Empire having their own site for their fan game is still infinitely better than the fandom pages for it.

ElectricTrombone ,
@ElectricTrombone@lemmy.world avatar

Does serebii.net or bulbapedia only cover the original franchise games? Just curious. Haven’t played a Pokémon game in a long time.

AceFuzzLord ,

I think bulbapedia cover just about any official content as far as I’m aware, so long as it’s licensed or made by nintento directly. Anything from the games to the anime to the trading cards to things like obscure licensed Japanese arcade games based on the franchise.

Don’t know if serebii does all that or if it just focuses on the games since I don’t use it.

Chetzemoka ,

I don’t seem to run into a lot of Hollow Knight fans around here yet so I popped over to the HK community on that other website. Confirm: this video is one of the top trending on YouTube today lol. I figured, mossbag is…shall we say a very well-known figure in the community, if you’re not in the know.

I absolutely still rely on the wiki for HK shit I can’t remember like boss HP scaling and where tf was that last item I need for that one upgrade god dammit?? Glad to see them move to somewhere independent. Will donate.

Pringles ,

I used to have the app, but that was ad galore. Now when I browse it, usually for some book series, with firefox and some ad blockers, it’s perfectly fine to read and browse. So I don’t really get the hate, but that might be because I don’t usually browse it for new content, but as a reference for finished series, like the wheel of time.

val ,

Another comment without watching so I might be repeating something in the video, but did they mention how poor bloated the site is? I was trying to use the Forgotten Realms wiki and after a few tabs it would grind my browser to a halt. For something that really just needs to be serving text and a few images it’s wild how badly the site performs.

cttttt ,

Yah. Fandom is an Adblock-required site. And even then it’s pretty hard to browse.

Lizzy_Wizzy ,

Saw this yesterday. Great video that informed me on something I was completely oblivious to. Fuck fandom

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Who knows of a good Final Fantasy wiki?

Sabakodgo ,
@Sabakodgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I only use it for WoWpedia, because it has a lot of information from years ago. I still remember when they added so many unnecessary interface elements and the website became slower. Luckily, I found userstyles.world/style/5722/clean-fandom-wiki, which made it usable again.

SPOOPYGHOST ,

The wow wiki has recently moved to wiki gg and they ported everything over so definitely Check it out!

Sabakodgo ,
@Sabakodgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Thanks! Didn’t know they tried to leave fandom for a while. warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Warcraft_Wiki

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I wish I could, but I like browsing Logopedia which is hosting on Fandom and has announced no plans to leave the site. If they did, I’d completely abandon that place and block everything that has to do with them.

And no, it’s not easy to migrate a database of hundreds of thousands of logos to another wikifarm, especially if new stuff arrives all the time.

Jhogenbaum ,

Easy. Never heard of it. Done.

Psychodelic ,

Lemmy has more niche users (read: geeks/nerds) on one site than I’ve ever experienced.

It’s awesome, but man, I feel so out of my element. I thought I was a nerd on reddit but on lemmy I have like no idea what half of the users are talking about or consider normal. It’s legit fascinating, tbh. I really wish it was possible to see the demographics of users here

venia_sil ,
@venia_sil@fedia.io avatar

Starting up wikis is so easy nowadays that there's no excuse. I maintain a few Dokuwiki-based ones, it's my preferred engine for simple wiki stuff, but Mediawiki (the same one that powers Wikipedia) is not bad either and not really too difficult, just a bit more demanding storage-wise. Heck, you can currently fire-and-forget DW-based wikis on SDF's "one payment" access tier, even! Probably on Neocities too, haven't checked.

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