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healer_56 ,

guess i will watch it. lets hope its not complete shit

avater OP , (edited )
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

the trailer looks great and really has that fallout spirit somewhere between funny, gruesome and batshit crazy.

Also great to see Walton Goggins in the cast, he’s a great actor

li10 ,

I’m on a strict “don’t trust trailers” diet since seeing the new Napoleon film, so I’ll wait and see for this series.

Komatik ,

What do you mean ? Is Napoleon shit; I haven’t seen it yet?

Please 🙏 don’t be shit

nico ,
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    Hyperreality ,

    'Excuse me, mate, were you there? No? Well, shut the f*** up then.’

    • Ridley Scott
    Komatik ,

    So your saying that its good but not historically accurate. I love history but I can enjoy historical fiction just as much.

    li10 ,

    I thought it was bad tbh

    Didn’t like that it wasn’t historically accurate, but even looking past that it was just boring imo

    CrabAndBroom ,

    I haven’t seen it yet, but one review said it was one of the most unintentionally funny movies of the year.

    Also Ridley Scott is doing a hilarious press tour for it.

    Scott was informed of some less than stellar French reviews of his film – French GQ called it “deeply clumsy” and “unintentionally funny” – to which Scott replied with the following solid gold banger: “The French don’t even like themselves.”

    But don’t think that insulting an entire country is enough for Scott. Speaking to the Sunday Times’s Jonathan Dean last weekend, he also reserved some ire for historians, some of whom have suggested that Napoleon might not be the most rigorously accurate film ever made. Scott responded by addressing the entire historian community. “Excuse me, mate, were you there?” he raged. “No? Well, shut the fuck up then.”

    QuantumSparkles ,

    I love Goggins, this is a perfect universe for his style honestly

    ComradeBunnie ,
    @ComradeBunnie@aussie.zone avatar

    He was fantastic in Righteous Gemstones.

    Let’s play Baby Billy’s Bible Bonkers!

    arudesalad ,

    They’re going to find a way to release the films with bugs and release a day one patch

    Gigan ,
    @Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

    Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully it’s respectful to the source material.

    ceenote , (edited )

    It’s a very good setting for a show or mini series, but the way the IP’s current owners have handled it so far gives me pause. Hopefully the writers will be competent enough to not resort to the “radiation and mutations are basically magic” writing that’s been all too common with Bethesda.

    Zahille7 ,

    I mean we already saw mutants (NOT Super Mutants or Centaurs) in the form of Chris Parnell’s Overseer Cyclops in the trailer. The rest of the shots (especially the Yao Guai tearing up that Paladin) make me think it’ll be more lore-accurate.

    Damage ,

    I mean, the way Bethesda has taken Fallout, there’s not much that could be ruined, just use a newish setting and go to town

    bridge_too_close ,
    @bridge_too_close@kbin.social avatar

    I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm getting my hopes up.

    EeeDawg101 ,

    My hopes have definitely gone up after seeing this trailer. I really hope they don’t pull a Witcher.

    ChicoSuave ,

    Fallout was an aesthetic that told super dark stories. How will a TV capture the vignette of nightmares that are the Vaults?

    MudMan ,
    @MudMan@kbin.social avatar

    I mean... you may have missed how episodic television works. Ironic horror antologies have been a thing on TV since the 50s.

    cdf12345 ,

    There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.

    The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.

    You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.

    Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.

    TL;DR Gimme Twilight Zone in the wasteland

    Son_of_dad ,

    Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It’s not the godfather. It isn’t going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they’re not fucking with the visual designs of the series.

    Zozano ,

    It’s almost hard to get Fallout wrong. Unless you shove a kid into a fridge for 200 years, or retcon the creation of the super mutants.

    Todd Howard is involved, so I wager they’ll get the themes right.

    rambaroo ,

    If Howard is involved your can bet the show will be boring and cheesy as fuck.

    I’m honestly shocked so many of you are giving this show a chance after the disaster of Fallout 76, Starfield’s mediocrity + the weird ass review controversy. It’s incredible how much loyalty a corp can command

    ChronosWing ,

    76 was actually good, and got better with updates. It just had a rough launch, like every Bethesda game.

    Zozano ,

    I agree that their games have been shit for a while, I didn’t even think F4 was good, and NV demonstrated that Bethesda shouldn’t be the ones developing the series.

    F3 was great at the time, but after playing NV, you can see that Bethesda is interested in creating a very railroaded experience (pun not intended).

    However, I think a TV show might be fine, seeing as though the stories of Fallout haven’t been bad; it has just been bad mechanically.

    tegs_terry ,

    That could very easily be done, and it’s not especially ‘dark’ anyway.

    dangblingus ,

    Not especially dark in the vaults, except for all of the body horror.

    tegs_terry ,

    Fantasy horror ideal for pulp TV

    ekZepp ,
    @ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

    PleasedontbeNetflixPleasedontbeNetflixPleasedontbeNetflixPleasedontbeNetflix… … FU&%!!! AMAZON 😭 😭 😭 😭 …i forgot about Amazon 😭

    Cheems ,
    @Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

    To be fair they have produced a few shows that are really good.

    itwasawednesday ,
    @itwasawednesday@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, but at least this stands a good chance of a few seasons.

    Nobody ,

    I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.

    somegadgetguy ,

    Goggins is what got me on board too.

    idiocracy ,

    to me this looks like the most generic “Hollywood trailer” which is unfortunate but understandable.

    TV shows/movies based on games are usually just a cash grab that play on people’s love of the source material, but maybe in wrong we’ll see.

    avater OP ,
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    TV shows/movies based on games are usually just a cash grab that play on people’s love of the source materia

    I really disagree on that. Most recent videogame adaptions have been pretty awesome: Arcane, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Last of Us, Castlevania. Sure there are some stinkers out there, but the quality really went up in the last years.

    Zozano ,

    Plus One Piece

    DigitalTraveler42 ,

    I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don’t know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.

    MudMan ,
    @MudMan@kbin.social avatar

    Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.

    But also I've never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I'm already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.

    micka190 ,

    That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so…

    shrugs

    steakmeout ,

    Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.

    reeen ,

    It’s west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don’t know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what’s been written already

    Zahille7 ,

    I thought it looked pretty good.

    That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor

    ieightpi ,

    I’m with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design

    Son_of_dad ,

    People need to remember that fallout isn’t the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it’s not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren’t making Lord of the rings over here, it’s not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.

    They’re keeping the aesthetic and design, so I’m happy. But so many people don’t have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it’s “unwatchable garbage”. I’ve seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called “shit” these days.

    dangblingus ,

    I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So… there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.

    Summzashi ,

    No it’s not lmao. It was good but it’s far from anything like that

    GoodEye8 ,

    What? It’s almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any “top RPGs of all time” list and you’re pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.

    Summzashi ,

    Wow all the clickbait bot written top 10 list blogs put it in the top half!!!

    Maybe broaden your horizon a bit. You’re missing out.

    GoodEye8 ,

    Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your “No it’s not lmao”. I’m gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.

    Summzashi ,

    Ok. Enjoy your mediocrity. Ignorance is bliss after all.

    GoodEye8 ,

    Alright Mr. Important. Go on, enlighten me. Give me your top 30 greatest RPGs of all time, in any order.

    Summzashi ,

    I can’t really think of a worse way to spend my time. Just go explore bro. If new Vegas is fantastic to you there’s a whole world of gold out there to find.

    GoodEye8 ,

    Go explore what exactly? That is literally what I was asking. What are those exceptional games that I’ve missed in my 20+ years of gaming that turn New Vegas into a turd? But if you can’t be bothered then just say you have shit taste and don’t know what you’re talking about and we can end it there.

    Summzashi ,

    Haha, look at you. So angry because of some slight criticism of your little game. Is Fallout New Vegas with you in the room right now? Blink if you need help. For your sanity sake I want to point out I literally called it a good game. You can stop stomping your angry little feet now.

    GoodEye8 ,

    I’m doing fine. I already know you’ve got shit taste. All we can accomplish now is get you to also accept that you had shit taste.

    Summzashi ,

    Grr so angry

    GoodEye8 ,

    So you’re one of those guys who has to get the last word? Somehow I’m not surprised.

    Summzashi ,

    Why are you mad?

    GoodEye8 ,

    Because I’m talking to an AI. No intelligent thought, just words strung together to make a sentence. Really, your last 5 comments on this thread have literally no substance. You could’ve written “Goo Goo Gaga” every time and it would’ve been just as informative as what you actually wrote.

    Summzashi ,

    Ok but what makes you so mad though?

    GoodEye8 ,

    There’s no reason to be mad so I’m not.

    Summzashi ,

    Then why are you mad?

    GoodEye8 ,

    I just said I’m not

    Summzashi ,

    Ok but why are you mad then?

    GoodEye8 ,

    Yes

    Sigh_Bafanada ,

    Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.

    Tikiporch ,

    It is not known.

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    These showrunners aren’t making Lord of the rings over here

    Of course not, Lord of the Rings already exists.

    registrert ,
    @registrert@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

    Well that didn’t stop Amazon from making them Rings of Power so don’t give anybody any ideas now.

    Kage520 ,

    We’ve had first Lord of the Rings, yes, but what about second Lord of the Rings?

    nxdefiant ,

    I don’t want to set the world on fire.

    But I will if they fuck this up.

    CeeBee ,

    Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?

    Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?

    nxdefiant ,

    Ah, ok so I’m broken and don’t have to worry.

    I loved both those things.

    registrert ,
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    Then I assume you’ll enjoy the Fallout show no matter what. Did you watch HALO, and if you did - Did you enjoy it?

    nxdefiant ,

    It’s sad they only made one episode of Halo. I’d have watched a whole series as good as e1.

    registrert ,
    @registrert@lemmy.sambands.net avatar

    Well said. And yet you enjoyed the mentioned series? You are an enigma my friend.

    Morbius… Good, bad or morbin’ amazing?

    nxdefiant ,

    I actually haven’t seen it!

    Cavemanfreak ,

    Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn’t do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I’m cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.

    CeeBee ,

    The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.

    Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on “who’s the dragon? it’s such a mystery!!” when that wasn’t even a plot point of the first book. It’s a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it’s just a cop-out.

    I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel

    I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you’ve already admitted that it’s bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I’m talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it’s one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.

    MrScottyTay ,

    Rings of power was alright once you accepted it’s just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It’s far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.

    I still would’ve preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it’s my favourite LOTR book.

    CeeBee ,

    Rings of power was alright

    No it isn’t. It’s terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn’t even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.

    And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn’t be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien’s works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.

    For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth “round”, so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.

    So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn’t make sense and breaks the story.

    MrScottyTay ,

    You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it’s so different that I don’t even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.

    CeeBee ,

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn’t like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin’s are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it’s terrible.

    MightyWeaksauce ,
    @MightyWeaksauce@lemmy.world avatar

    I was not excited for this show until seeing that trailer! Fingers crossed 🤞

    ExLisper , (edited )

    Kind of a random though but do you think we will ever see shows done in a more connected way? I mean as of now, all the shows are always done in secret. Why not involve fans in the process? Publish videos from the set as you film and get feedback? Publish scripts, test footage and so on. Yes, the element of surprise would be lost but wouldn’t it be nice to see how the show is made and they see the final product? And maybe even influence it a little bit? I would love something like that. What do you think?

    Edit: interesting. Looks like only I would be interested in seeing how a show is made.

    NessD ,

    The only reason we watch shows is to get the story. Being spoiled ruins the whole idea of the show. Besides: Even though some showrunners miss the mark, most of the fans ideas of what might come instead are mostly terrible.

    ExLisper ,

    Yeah, I don’t know. In the age of remakes, reboots and huge franchises can we really say that we watch shows for the story? Is any of the Marvel movies about the story? You always now how it will end. If you read the script of Guardians of the Galaxy would it really spoil the movie? I think those movies are actually more about ‘being involved’. Same as Star Trek or Star Wars. It’s about following, being a fan. Story is the weakest part of those movies. It’s all about CGI, action sequences and ‘fan stuff’ like callbacks, references and so on. I think showing what’s happening on the green screen wouldn’t actually spoil anything and would be really interesting to the fans.

    And regarding fans ideas Sonic comes to mind. They released the trailer, fans complained and it got fixed.

    But I not saying that all the shows should be made like this. For some (most?) I wouldn’t work. I’m just saying… wouldn’t it be interesting to see the entire process for a show like this?

    tegs_terry ,

    There’s evidence that people like stuff just as much even if they know what’s gonna happen, kind of like how placebos often work even if you tell the person.

    Zozano ,

    People rewatch movies because they love them.

    I’m about to watch the final episode of the One Piece adaptation, even though I know exactly what has happened.

    The adaptation has deviated slightly from the manga, but that’s to be expected of a series known for filler.

    calabast ,

    I think part of why creators don’t include fans in the process is to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit like “I said there should be a super-mutant/brotherhood of steel secret relationship, and they used my idea! I’m entitled to money!”

    Maybe 🤷‍♂️

    avater OP ,
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    No not really. There’s a reason you hire experts to do a job and I for instance hates it if someone try’s to explain to me, a designer, what a good design is…

    ExLisper ,

    But we have early access video games. You can start playing when it’s in alfa, give feedback. Is it really that bad for creators?

    avater OP ,
    @avater@lemmy.world avatar

    I never do it. I play games when they are finished

    slowd0wn ,

    Developers don’t use early access to get feedback on lore, world-building and visual aesthetic. They get feedback on gameplay balance and bugs. A movie/TV studio doesn’t have gameplay, it’s all visual. Apples to oranges comparison

    ExLisper ,

    Yes but aren’t game developer experts on gameplay balance? Why would they listen to feedback from some amateurs? It’s the same with movies. People who designed Sonic for the movie were also experts, right? Yet they listed to feedback.

    MonsiuerPatEBrown ,

    the nipple is the only good design

    everything after that is artifice.

    wildcardology ,

    So you want to be like those execs that interferes with the production of the show/movie?

    hybridhavoc ,
    @hybridhavoc@lemmy.world avatar

    Nah the last thing these shows need are a bunch of armchair experts chipping in.

    brawleryukon ,
    @brawleryukon@lemmy.world avatar

    Ackshully, those experts are statistically far more likely to be sitting in an office chair or a gaming chair than an arm chair.

    pushes glasses WAAAAY up nose

    ImTryingLemmy ,

    Same reason I don’t ask people what they think about my work while I’m doing it, it’s a pain in the ass.

    Evotech ,

    SILO is fallout canon in my head

    PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

    i hope they come up with a better ending than they did in the books

    PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

    i really REALLY hope it doesn’t suck

    tegs_terry ,

    What the fuck man where the hell did this spring up from? This just started a flame in my heart.

    Zozano ,

    I don’t suppose in your heart you have but one desire?

    mycatiskai ,

    Is that desire to light a flame in your heart instead of the whole world? You pyromaniac!

    hal_5700X ,
    @hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

    Take place in California. But no sign of the New California Republic. Not looking good.

    dangblingus ,

    It’s a teaser trailer and the NCR is huge in the lore. It’ll be fine.

    hal_5700X , (edited )
    @hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

    So don’t tease the fan favorite faction. Good guys. /s

    All they needed to do is show a NCR flag in the background.

    mycatiskai ,

    I don’t want to give away too much if you haven’t been playing Fallout since the very beginning but the NCR is not started until years after the first game when a person the vault dweller helps, organizes their village to become the New California Republic.

    We don’t know when this vault opens. It hasn’t been mentioned in previous games so it might have opened and failed before anything else from series starts or it will take place many years later and we just haven’t seen the NCR and the other factions in the teasers.

    hal_5700X , (edited )
    @hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

    Good point, we don’t know when the show takes place. But the Brotherhood have a Prydwen like aircraft. They didn’t have that in the first two games.

    mycatiskai ,

    True so some time after the Arroyo incident, the brotherhood would have taken vertibird tech from the enclave after the chosen one took them down for the first time.

    This assumes the writers for the show give two shits about the lore. They might only use the lore as set dressing for generic post apocalyptic trash.

    hal_5700X , (edited )
    @hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fb9d9689-3fb6-425b-8d83-cd6137f513e7.png

    In the Vanity Fair article. Says the show takes place 9 years after the events of Fallout 4, in 2296. So safe bet that is the Prydwen. 🤡 🌎

    Also the NCR is not in the promotional materials from Amazon/Bethesda.

    billiam0202 ,

    Remember, Brotherhood of Steel: Don’t feed the yao guai! That is all.

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