laughingm0n , 10 months ago

This is why we need users to spread to more servers and create communities in them. If lemmy.world goes down that shouldn’t result in half of lemmyhub disappearing.

BarrelAgedBoredom , 10 months ago

Commenting on your comment not because I expect you to have them or anything, it’s just the top comment so hopefully someone sees this. I know there’s a handful of links out there to browse instances. Are there any that can see who’s defederated with who/ which instances are federated with the most instances? I had another account on a .ml domain instance but they got purged with a bunch of others a couple of weeks ago. I use my lemmy.world account because it has the most-ish reach for finding new communities and whatnot

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

You can have a look at my comment here: sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292

Usually lemmy.fediverse.observer/list is a good resource

BarrelAgedBoredom , 10 months ago

Sweet, thanks!

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

You are welcome!

laughingm0n , 10 months ago

Currently no, there isn’t a way to see that granular of detail. On my instance I have details about any defederated (blocked) instances. Currently there are none.

But there are pros and cons of joining smaller server. Since mine is small we don’t see a large list of communities, I make a point to go through and subscribe to a bunch everyday so my users can get the best experience. But without others doing some of the leg work it can be challenging. Bigger instances like lemmy.world have “seeded” with communities all over because of their large user base. Not only does lemmy.world have a ton of communities but their users have subscribed to communities outside the instance making it discoverable to others.

lemmyverse.netbrowse.feddit.de

MBM , 10 months ago

Unless you want to see porn or troll instances, I don’t think there’s a big difference between instances except for the fact that beehaw isn’t federated with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works

fraydabson , 10 months ago

Yes! I tried with a niche topic like fallout but can’t get people to move over from the Lemmy world community.

JudahBenHur , 10 months ago

was there already a fallout community on lemmy.world?

fraydabson , 10 months ago

Yeah. Very inactive so I shouldn’t be surprised no one came to mine on sopuli.xyz

Coelacanth , 10 months ago

Did you advertise it on the New Communities community?

Valmond , 10 months ago

Where’s that? :-)

Coelacanth , 10 months ago

!newcommunities

can , 10 months ago

!newcommunities

Die4Ever , 10 months ago

Ironic that it’s on lemmy.world lol

fraydabson , 10 months ago

I did not. Forgot about that.

Also strange is that Lemmy never notified me of your message. Haven’t had that happen before I don’t think.

JudahBenHur , 10 months ago

Right… I guess for me I’m not sure it’s all that productive to start multiple communities on the same topic? I dunno, maybe it’s good. If I’m looking for something specific, like, say turntables, and I search lemmy for a turntable community, I’m not sure it’d be a good thing to find 3-4 different lemmy communities on the topic. Perhaps I’m just thinking in older, outdated, reddit kind of thinking though.

fraydabson , 10 months ago

Yeah I get it. My goal was since the Lemmy world community was pretty inactive if I can post more to encourage activity on mine I can make mine more active and the defacto community which helps get people off of Lemmy world.

If it were a community that is highly active on Lemmy world then I understand it doesn’t seem productive to re create active communities.

I have heard other people voice opinions that having multiple of the same communities over different instances is a good thing with how Lemmy works. I do wish we had a federated community so as people make more communities on different instances it more merges them into one so if one instance goes down the others are still keeping the community alive. But idk if that’s possible or on the Lemmy roadmap.

can , 10 months ago

Pat a link I’ll subscribe

fraydabson , 10 months ago

Let’s see if I do this right. !fallout

Skoobie , 10 months ago

Glad I’m realizing this before getting too attached to any one account. Setting up on a few instances now.

laughingm0n , 10 months ago

Getting attached to any account is not recommended. Hopefully most are pretty set but I know personally if I was too run into financial trouble I would shut it down. Bigger instances do get some amount of patrons who donate to them.

can , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

There are tools to migrate subs/blocks

korbelix , 10 months ago

Any recommendations? Would love to sync my lemmy.world subs to some other accounts

QuazarOmega , 10 months ago

This is one: github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

June , 10 months ago

I’m more of a commenter and less of a poster, but I moved away from world as my primary instance last week. Part to spread the load, part to just be able to browse.

jeffhykin , 10 months ago

There’s a posposal for an automatic user distribution system (original post here: lemm.ee/post/2800726). Showing support for it would be a big help!

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

And it’s back up again! Kudos to the team!

jacktherippah , 10 months ago

Down again it seems. People seriously need to switch away from lemmy.world. Every single time it goes down so much content goes down with it. It’s annoying.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

It’s working now. Indeed, I hope they will.

wazoobonkerbrain , 10 months ago

deleted_by_author

SlopppyEngineer , 10 months ago

Because they’re on lemdro.id as lemmy provider, not lemmy.world. That’s the @ part in the user name.

dmtalon , 10 months ago

I did this early on after realizing my mistake, promptly moved to vlemmy.net which after a couple weeks went totally mia.

Moved again… It’s a toss-up though. I want an instance big enough to stay updated, and have an active community, but not turn into .world or vlemmy.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

You should be safe on infosec.pub, jerry is a great admin

dmtalon , 10 months ago

Here’s to hoping!! I also worked with infosec group at my previous employer a lot and really grew to appreciate that field so I felt like a good fit !

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

That’s great!

Fish , 10 months ago

I recommend people move away from Lemmy.world. Having ~28% of Lemmy users on a single instance is not good for the health of Lemmy overall.

For those that want to move to a different instance, here is a link to Lemmy instances sorted by user count: fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Infernal_pizza , 10 months ago

Is there an easy way to move all my subscriptions over?

MrRazamataz , 10 months ago

There is a python script: github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

or a program with a GUI: github.com/CMahaff/lasim/releases

sj_zero , 10 months ago

We're not allowed to have nice things.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Thankfully, other instances are still up and allow us to talk about it.

Back in the days, when Reddit or Twitter were down, it was down for the whole userbase.

sj_zero , 10 months ago

Yes, and we can do something about our own instances. Depending on your reverse proxy there's a couple options.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Definitely!

TheBestUsername , 10 months ago

how? I just use Sync for Lemmy and it seems like everything is down when lemmy.world is. I don’t really know how Lemmy works, or where different things I subscribe to are based.

Illecors , 10 months ago

Your account is on lemmy.world, so it fails to get any and all data. Accounts on other instances can interact with historic data.

SlopppyEngineer , 10 months ago

You have to think of lemmy.world as your lemmy provider. Just like with e-mail you have your own email provider from the ISP, or gmail, or … If your own provider is down, you can’t receive or send mails, but all other people can send mails to each other. It’s the same with lemmy, but then for reading posts and send comments to that instance/provider.

TheBestUsername , 10 months ago

Perfect. This makes sense, thank you.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Have a look at this comment: sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292

TheBat , 10 months ago

Nice things cost money and I don’t have it. So, checks out.

lemmyporn , 10 months ago

The company running lw are asking for free unpaid 150k+a year admin work.

Fuck them. Someone run this personally and start a non profit.

sj_zero , 10 months ago

Lots of options besides the one instance.

altima_neo , 10 months ago

Those guys can’t catch a break. By whom or why are they getting attacked anyway?

HellAwaits , 10 months ago

incels

Boinketh , 10 months ago

Source?

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

this whole chain of comments makes no sense!

SwallowsDick , 10 months ago

Now if there was only more content and communities, it would be like Reddit again

Boinketh , 10 months ago

All I did was ask for a source :(

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

I understood your comment, its the other ones…

Those guys can’t catch a break. By whom or why are they getting attacked anyway?

Boinketh , 10 months ago

Oh, I assume you’re not a native English speaker. Altima starts by observing that the lemmy world admins seem to be having a difficult time, then goes on to ask who is attacking their servers and why. I hope that’s helpful!

figaro , 10 months ago

lemm.ee/comment/2015361

Boinketh , 10 months ago

Source?

A_A , 10 months ago

This single post :
lemmy.world/post/2874044
lemmy.ca/post/2904207
…has a comment from an hexbear user who thinks this is very funny. (hidden from here because we defederated them)

relevantnanana , 10 months ago

You’re saying hexbear users are responsible?

A_A , 10 months ago

We sustained an attack right after their defederation, I have no proof now, maybe time will tell.

roux , 10 months ago

Gotta love a good baseless claim.

A_A , 10 months ago

Not a claim, an hypotesis.
Could also be wrongful intervention from Reddit interests. Could be both and some more.
“Gotta love” the scientific method !

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago

That is now how any of that works.

post hoc ergo propter hoc

You can be wrong, it doesn’t destroy your self. You don’t have to fear it.

A_A , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

That is now how any of that works.

You mean to say :
That is not how any of that works.

Edit : Ridiculous down voting scheme if I ever saw one 🤣.

HaggierRapscallier , 10 months ago

First we had redditors calling Lemmy a communist plot. Now we have the biggest instance run by paranoids seeing commie plots everywhere.

My suggestion: stop using lemmydotworld, spread the load, stop being a clown.

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago

Hexbear was also experiencing traffic which would fit DDoS, do you suggest that dot world did DDoS Hexbear, too?

Who poisoned the well? Its the witches fault!

A_A , 10 months ago

I don’t talk with unfunny liars.
do you suggest that (…)

lol !

relevantnanana , 10 months ago

It could have been beehaw? I mean, I have exactly the same amount of proofthat you have.

A_A , 10 months ago

Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.

This is a quote from L.W.AdmiS’ post :
Lemmy World outages

At the time I made my first comment in here, there was no word from any admin, so, I had that (hypothesis //hunch //educated_guess) whatever you may call it. And then I wrote : “time will tell”. Well, I had the confirmation I needed for that L.W.Admin.

Finally, if you need some more information, you may search it by yourself - - I have nothing more to say.

relevantnanana , 10 months ago

Where does he say it was hexbear?

HelloHotel , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

thats not communism, thats red painted bullshit. please DO defederate from whatever the hell that is. remove trolls using false flags.

my idiot self's old commentwithin these people are a sort of poison, one that entrenches them in their symbols and attack others with pride, like an idiot. the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).Edit: I was using a hammer when i nedded a scalpel. Generally dont like my rant written in anger. To be clear, Waving a communist or trans flag and then being a narcisist in public. It is either a false flag or an idiot. Result is a useful addition to a news media’s hyperreality.Edit: i am REALLY unhappy with this comment, i fail by leaving whats implied unsaid. A natural observer given a big name like CNN saying things is always at risk of treeting the whole movement like a tom and jarry cartoon. Antifa usually gets a bad reputation, is it warrented? I dont know because the news is designed to let you make short and usually wrong assumptions. One commenter was right, you fight the news by looking out the window and seeing the negbors arent loonitics and in fact rather lovely.

Edit: i am still REALLY unhappy with this comment, also spelling I cant really speak on these issues as I need guidance more than answers. I have been told to not worry about the propaganda machine (my old and current psychological trap) and to rather be free of it and to free others by showing them a better place. I was merely dragging people into the machine I sought to destroy. for this I am sorry.

GhostOfHoxha , 10 months ago

the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

The local org that helps connect trans people with resources like housing and medical care is mostly made up of and run by ML’s. The idea that fascists would be kinder to trans people if ML’s stopped existing is ahistorical nonsense.

HelloHotel , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago

The good old: “Actually people supporting trans are doing the right a service!”

Pity that hexbear is a bastion of trans posters, which means you are effectively saying: “Trans people are (used by) right wing people as ammunition!” which is right, but right wingers do weaponize everything. There is no way to behave nice enough to complacence them.

I have yet to find a post in your profile in which you do write public support for our trans comrades 🏳️‍⚧️. I doubt you will, but even if you do it it will remain performative unless you repeat it online, amplify trans voices and start to support your LGBTQ community in your meat space. However since you have no positive comment in the last month it is clear that you are objectively not supporting trans rights, since your only mention is how a group you disagree with - which itself does support trans rights - is hurting trans folk.

To the audience Raise your hands if that does sound transphobe to you.

The X are poison is a very common fascist talking point that is actually a verbatim quote of not only that, but Nazi propaganda.

HelloHotel , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it. I am sorry

Fawxhox , 10 months ago

Man hexbear is such a shit show. When chapotraphouse was a sub I was on there near 24/7 for like 2 years, and it was the best online experience I’ve ever had. Then they migrated over to hexbear and it’s like only the worst, most self righteous people from the community moved over. I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary and told to kill myself and then a mod agreed with them and banned me for a week over a blatantly pro trans comment that apparently wasn’t pro trans in the right way. Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people? Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, you’re literally butchering trans comrades with your comment”

Rotten_potato , 10 months ago

Man, I’m happy I’m not the only one who feels like this. I had such a good time in the chapotraphouse sub and never forgave reddit for banning it. None of the offspring from there could really capture what made this sub special, the hexbear thing certainly can’t.

midas , 10 months ago

Would be pretty sick if they effected us like a trans person comes around the corner and suddenly fireworks go off and glowsticks get handed out

egonallanon , 10 months ago

I mean if you’re uu hang aorund at a pride parade these are very really things that might happen.

lol , 10 months ago

I’ll be sure to start doing that.

Doesnotexist , 10 months ago

It literally kills me when people say literally when they mean figuratively.

Fawxhox , 10 months ago

Multiple dictionaries define literally as figuratively, language changes

Photographer , 10 months ago

Like it literally said “trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don’t care, it doesn’t effect me” and like 5 people were like “you ‘don’t care’ about trans people?

This is why I keep quiet on issues like that, someone will always say you are wrong for not having their exact opinion and wording. Had a similar thing when I said a 5 year old boy can wear a dress without being a girl, just let them do what they want.

GhostOfHoxha , 10 months ago

A lot of it is contextual.

Sometimes, it’s based on larger patterns of subtle behaviors that wouldn’t be indicative of a problem on their own.

Sometimes, people are doing harmful things by accident because they grew up in a culture where those shitty things are normalized.

Sometimes, people are doing things which would not be harmful on their own, but are associated with negative experiences that are only common for the minority group.

Sometimes, people who have a long history of being timid have gotten fed up with putting themselves down for others’ comfort, so their pendulum swings the other way and we only see the tail end of that.

And yeah, sometimes it’s someone who’s immature or aggressive for unrelated reasons and isn’t thinking super hard about what they’re doing beyond finding a weakness and attacking it. Social media design makes this worse. I think situations where that’s all it is are less common than we think, though.

There’s also often ingroup/outgroup dynamics at play. And what makes it worse is that people who exist outside of the grey area of acceptable behavior, people who are just genuinely cruel, will do something cruel and then retreat and act like they belong in the grey area. They learn the ways that they act when people are genuinely uninformed or confused or curious and they copy them, all the while refusing to back down from the shitty thing they did. It’s kind of a charade put on for onlookers to make the victim look like the aggressor.

For the specific issue you mentioned, the good faith interpretation is that, yes, boys can wear dresses. If that’s the end of it, that’s fine. But “wearing a dress doesn’t make you a girl” is also a common phrase used both by malicious transphobes and by misguided loved ones trying to talk their kids out of being trans. There are many reasons that discussions like these are so hard to get the phrasing’s right on is that we don’t have established social norms to make them easy. The established social norms, in fact, make them actively more difficult. And people are doing gender exploration in a matter of months that would have been spread out over years of their childhood if they’d been allowed to do so. It’s just a lot.

I genuinely hear your frustration. I hope you hear mine. Learning all of this has been a painful process and I hope we can see it get easier in the near future.

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

That isn’t literally what the person said, though. The modlog and profile on hexbear does show that they did also argue to post less about trans support, argued for people showing less support and did not accept when other, trans!, people explained their view and why he ought to chill out at least. So there was a repeated violation of server rules in a short span of time (and fawx did leave the server).

The ban in the mod log is also for 1 day, not eternal (all of us are human and sometimes we are on rolls we wouldn’t continue after a good round of sleep). Don’t trust random people when it aligns with your bias.

@GhostOfHoxha did give already a critique on your comment in content.

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin

So you don’t count people you know online, you also don’t go to organizing union meetings, are not part of collectives and not part of a real left party (thus are likely an individualist, moralist, idealist liberal who will often - since there is little self critique and reflection - for example having thought how you could integrate parts of being anti racist in your life within a group). Of course you might be called a reactionary in some cases. Feel free to link to them, post those opinions in the un-safe space we got here as quote and people can do reflect on that. Taking your quote (which likely ignores context to present yourself in a better light) I have to say that:

trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want" (good) "***********************” (bad)

Yeah that is reactionary. You were rightfully banned as you broke server rules. There were enough campaigns i.e. “Read Trans Liberation!” for you to educate yourself. You didn’t. You are not the victim here.

To break it down: You went into a space of solidarity and then climbed on a chair and yelled “I don’t care about [group you are supposed to be having a minimum degree of solidarity with]”. Everyone is able to understand that this is even if it is your uncle’s birth date and you would yell that you don’t care about your uncle it is a social faux pas. However what you did is much worse.

cat-trans The website’s slogan at that point even was “We love our trans comrades!”

Besides:

and told to kl m*lf and then a mod agreed with them

X: [Doubt]

You already showed yourself to be an unreliable narrator, no reason to believe such an extraordinary claim.

Edit Wonder who downvotes this post

Edit2:

CW in effect transphobia commited in a save space, with multiple repeating posts and comments and an unwillingness to see the perspectives of others, this is the context of what OP did post:

spoiler> Is the constantly talking about being trans in leftist spaces not also fueling the over focus on trans people? removed by mod posted by fawx [he/him] to askchapo • > So no one thinks I’m a troll, I completely support trans people doing whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. And I don’t mind seeing trans stuff. But with that said, I feel like the hundreds and hundreds of posts I see about trans people is not helping. Going off like this site and a few others I browse you’d think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%. > I feel like constantly putting them in the spotlight, even to say you support them is just contributing to this “trans awareness burnout” I hear about in a lot of my non-leftist conversations.

I heard things similar to that within the spoiler during the 80s when I did attend gay meetups, protests and LGBTQ* representation in media became slightly more common (while what we did was still criminal in many places). Turns out I wasn’t gay btw. I was bi (and that includes trans people as bi is defined as having attraction to more than one owns gender) and still am, but was, too. However the gay spaces were the spaces which enabled me to be myself and not the eternal cycle of “this is too much progress for the [women/black people/jews/italians/gays/insert minority/marginalized group of your choice]! they would progress more if they would be silent and try to pass as cis white evangelical hetero who eat meat and drink beer in unhappy marriages!”

fawx has the capacity to change and act different, as well as to not slander thousands of users with re-tellings of stuff that didn’t happen like that and which minimizes their actions (which is understandable human, but it remains wrong. I do understand the emotional feeling of giving somebody a wipe as fawx did try to do with depicting hexbear as bad for excluding him for no reason - and the willing audience of people taking that for a fact instead of doing their due dilligence). Still the burden is on fawx to read, speak, listen and not primarily center themselves. If they are actually in the union they have enough ways to grow (attending IWW and other fighting unions organizing meetups and summer schools for example).

diamat , 10 months ago

This is the post that he got banned for. He basically barged into the space asking to tone it down with the trans support.

raresbears , 10 months ago

Just to add to the context, here are some of the now removed comments from the log

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/284e343b-4b07-4765-beb0-083f8481d2bc.png

Fawxhox , 10 months ago

I’m literally the union representative for my job, and most of your other assumptions are also wrong. You’re also doing an uncharitable reading of my post. I don’t care about trans people means “I am not bothered by them” like I don’t care whether we have hotdogs or hamburgers.

You’re the kinda person that ruined that instance.

raresbears , 10 months ago

Essentially blaming people expressing support for trans people for the right wing culture war focus on trans people is definitely a bit more than just saying you’re fine with trans people doing what they want. Stop being so dishonest about what people were pissed at you for. You know it wasn’t a “blatantly pro trans comment”

Fawxhox , 10 months ago

Yeah, but it was and you’re wrong.

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Understandable since one is a government funded :fedbposting: psyop running on servers in the basement of the FBI building. The other is Reddit.

Ayyyyyyy.

Was the joke. If you take that as proof that that user and hexbear as aggregate are responsible you might need to breath a bit and do learn to be more critical of media. People making jokes about you(r misfortune) aren’t always out to get you.

To explain the joke:

dot world having a harder time with de federating Fascist propaganda (exploding heads and alike, while keeping their users) than with pre emptively doing a US centric Red scare and McCarthyism is quite funny and something the intelligence agencies of the US had in their hand books for over half a century. It is also often the action of liberals who think civility is more important that positive justice.

However lets say a piece or two about @A_A, they are close to conspiracy thought sometimes.

Join “Lemmy.world” ; here you can create your own communities 🙂

Respect and thanks to the creators of lemmy-software, pretty sure they have friends (states) with big pockets 😆 !

Yeah, cause FOSS means evil communist governments secretly funding open source software.

They also regularly lie and misconstrue what people say.

All in all the user is a good example how liberal moderation policy (or the lack of them) leads to gray and black propaganda and spheres that are not emancipatory.

A_A , 10 months ago

This is for fun you should know. “friend state” hypotesis is a bit farfetch but :
if it was false we wouldn’t know either.
if it was true (maybe) it would be a global positive contribution from (Russia? China?). Also please notice the comment_link you provided (to one of my comments?) does not work at the moment because of a problem with lemmy.world servers.

VolatileExhaustPipe , 10 months ago

I don’t talk with unfunny liars.

A_A , 10 months ago

I’m very happy so. Feel free to never comment again about what I say.

Draconic_NEO , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Probably by some group against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.

Draconic_NEO , 10 months ago

Probably by some ground against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.

Ogmios , 10 months ago

Remember when VOAT was billed as a replacement for reddit, then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?

Corporate interests don’t care about doing things legally at all, if they can figure out an illegal way to get what they want.

droans , 10 months ago

then it got DDoSed and spammed with CP until everyone forgot about it?

You sure that’s not because it first gained popularity after Reddit banned the jailbait sub?

Doesnotexist , 10 months ago

VOAT had a reputation of being for the reddit rejected users. The worst of the worst of #conservative.

It was not a pleasant place to lurk.

Astroturfed , 10 months ago

Ya, I’d been looking for a decent alternative forever. Tried to scratch the itch there but man it was bad. Just infested with neonazi pedos to the nth degree.

Ogmios , 10 months ago

Yea, largely because it was constantly down from DDoS attacks when it was starting to become popular with regular users.

Touching_Grass , 10 months ago

I saw a comment that mentioned there was a user that was creating tons of communities and squatting on them. That user was called out and banned and they might be behind it. But its all rumours. Does anyone have more details on this rumour?

Candelestine , 10 months ago

It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.

This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.

The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?

One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.

cokane_88 , 10 months ago

96.4 uptime

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Isn’t it 88 based on their own status page? lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world

Candelestine , 10 months ago

If either of those figures is actually accurate from an end-user standpoint, then the entire downtime must be coming during my primary periods of usage.

berg , 10 months ago

Both are quite high (ex. 88% is 43 days a year, ~3hrs daily rounded up)

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

As you’re probably based in Canada, that might be it. I’m in Europe and usually their downtime happens during our nights

cokane_88 , 10 months ago

The last 7 days yeah. I was looking here lemmy-world.statuspage.io

96.3 now.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

88% on weekly basis lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world

Chickenstalker , 10 months ago

What does not kill you, makes you stronger. The only thing these script kiddies are doing is strength training the world admins.

lemmyporn , 10 months ago

Yeah fucking up uptime during a period people are looking to migrate away from an ingrained product is definitely the path to a successful and strong network. Just like asking for unpaid admins (typically $100-200 an hour) to price on call duty for free.

What you are seeing is a business cheap out, have zero clue or plan about scale, not give two fucks about privacy, and trick you all into giving that business a free pass for being shitty and execute poorly.

This isn’t making shit stronger. It means normies will always make sure this place is the new 4chan.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime , 10 months ago

What the fuck to literally all of this

echo , 10 months ago

It was always going to happen but an instance being the defacto default for Lemmy is a bad thing.

There really needs to be a tool to help people pick an instance, but even then people would just flock to the general instances like .world anyway

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Indeed, and it seems like it’s down again

Butters , 10 months ago

Uhh, jeepers I’m on my NSFW account because my main lemmy account is on lemmy.world. Hamburgers.

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

get a non nsfw backup account

lemmy.world goes down randomly, its done so for me, I find lemm.ee to be a good one. however, dont follow my recommendations, go to join lemmy and find a place for your third account

Molecular0079 , 10 months ago

I also think instances just need to have more sane urls. It sounds silly but like it or not branding does matter. Instances like beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions. Even some of my friends who I’ve tried to introduce to Lemmy are just like…“what the fuck kinda website are you making me go to?” I am not surprised that lemmy.world is big, partly because the URL actually sounds official.

We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances, better multi-instance search, and a way to migrate between instances before the masses will be okay with smaller instances.

LazerDickMcCheese , 10 months ago

Sound like you should join the dev team as an idea person, I support you

raptir , 10 months ago

Views that show you multiple communities would be great. Let me see both major Steam Deck communities in one view.

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

somthing like multi-reddit?

jarfil , 10 months ago

beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions

They’re pretty descriptive: do you want a place to “behave”, or would you rather fling shit at each other?

This isn’t Reddit, you get to pick your experience. Can even sign up to more than one instance, each with different rules!

We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances

Apps do that, including some web app.

Search and migrations could be improved, though.

Molecular0079 , 10 months ago

Apps do that, including some web app.

I don’t just mean grouping communities client side though. I mean super-communities that a mod or admin can curate and that other people can share and subscribe to. Out of curiosity, which apps have you been using that have this feature?

raptir , 10 months ago

It makes sense that general purpose instances would have the most users. I’m not a programmer so while I could still register there why would I pick programmer.dev?

The bigger issue I had in picking an instance was just in understanding the differences. I think it would help if instances advertised their stance on defederation, moderation, etc… to help people make a decision (or even to see that lemmy.world may be more similar to some other instances than they might think).

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

multiple accounts, one macro, one micro, works wonders. i like my lemm.ee account more but lemmy.world was my gateway as it was the one advertised to me

Draconic_NEO , 10 months ago

I already do have multiple accounts, but I usually don’t use the others because I worry that I’m going to accidentally upvote things twice. Would be nice if Lemmy had a feature to exclude duplicate votes from your other accounts.

mayo , 10 months ago

The more lemmy.world is down the more I use my alt instance. We’ll adapt.

STUPIDVIPGUY , 10 months ago

yeah it’s lame but it’s more harmful for the hackers in how much time they are wasting. not that their time is worth much apparently

madcaesar , 10 months ago

Please, these aren’t hackers they script kiddies incels.

jeffhykin , 10 months ago

Myself and another developer are working on something we think will solve this:

OP: lemm.ee/post/2800726TLDR: Automatic User Distribution

Whenever someone goes to the sign up page, for example, on Lemmy.world, we:

• look at the recommender list
• find the server that is most under capacity
• have a very large iframe with "Sign up for Lemmy (using [under capacity server here])"
• have a small “No, I want to sign up specifically on Lemmy.world” option

neuromancer , 10 months ago

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Draconic_NEO , 10 months ago

People are talking about capacity because they don’t understand what’s really happening here, they think that it’s Reddit’s hug of death (that too many users are causing the site to go over capacity) when in reality it’s an attack, these outages are being caused by attackers intentionally not by a swarm of people unintentionally.

jeffhykin , 10 months ago

I agree capacity isn’t the cause of outages. Centralization is an issue, and capacity is a way for a server like Lemmy.world to say “I would prefer less new users”

neuromancer , 10 months ago

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jeffhykin , 10 months ago

Agreed, in my original post I mentioned posts per day as a metric thats slightly closer to actual load. But its pretty hard to throttle number of posts, so I think users is going to be a more useful value.

If a server has really active users they can set a lower target number of users.

Eventually it would be nice to have a standardized way of migrating and backing up accounts to make it possible for one server to offload its existing users to another server.

midas , 10 months ago

Would also be cool to have like a short questionnaire, like picking your class in Morrowind, but instead you end up on a German industrial metal music instance.

jarfil , 10 months ago

Does it take into account instance rules like language, moderation, or whether it’s a personal instance hosted on a raspi that may go down at any moment?

jeffhykin , 10 months ago

Yes! Lemmy.world (or any other big server) must manually add the-other-server to their “recommder” list. So the-other-server has to prove to Lemmy.world that they’re going to offer similar reliability.

paddirn , 10 months ago

I’m not going to pretend to understand the technical details, but would it make more sense if Instances were treated more like subreddits? So instead of the main Lemmy.world instance, we’d have gaming.world, news.world, nsfw.world, woodworking.world, and so on. So then things would be distributed more evenly across the fediverse and it would be harder for a single for a DDOS attack to take out the entire system all at once? Or does the architecture of the whole thing not make any sense doing it like that? Would each instance then have to setup their own server or something to make it work?

Die4Ever , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

I guess the community names could be subdomains, the default config would pass all the subdomains to the same Lemmy process. But this would make it easier to split things up down the road, and you could move some of those sub domains to different servers entirely.

Not sure if it’s worth rearchitecting things like this now, probably better to just close signups and disallow creating new communities on overloaded instances like lemmy.world

biddy , 10 months ago

Each instance is it’s own server, then it has many communities which are created by users. Ideally we spread the communities across instances, but unfortunately most of the big communities are clustered on the big instances, because finding communities on small instances is hard.

Aurix , 10 months ago

I think lemmy.world is too large for the health of the fediverse. A nasty incident which takes it down permanently could “kill” Lemmy as a whole. Perhaps a sign up stop is in order.

Fish , 10 months ago

I moved to a different instance about a month ago, after lemmy.world got hacked. I haven’t had any issues on Midwest.social. I suggest other people do the same if they want Lemmy to be feasible in the long term. Get the fuck off Lemmy.world.

Here is a list of instances sorted by user count if anyone wants to move: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Boinketh , 10 months ago

Great resource. Why is hexbear split into two?

Fish , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

No idea. But if I were to guess, it looks like ‘www.hexbear’ was added in July and then reposted in August in an attempt remove the ‘www’. I assume their intention was to follow the same syntax as everyone else, but they weren’t able to delete the original ‘www.hexbear’. Probably user error, but that’s just a guess.

Boinketh , 10 months ago

That’s a very good guess, thanks.

SwallowsDick , 10 months ago

Thanks for the link

Knitwear , 10 months ago

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Fish , 10 months ago

I haven’t used them, but others are recommending these tools for transferring your user info:

github.com/CMahaff/lasim

github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

jarfil , 10 months ago

If the free GitHub scripts from the other comment don’t work for you, Sync has it as a paid option.

madcaesar , 10 months ago

So are you recommending to switch instances and not interact with lemmy.world and its users? I don’t get this, what’s the point of something getting popular if you can’t interact with it? So those that got in early get to be here while others have to start from scratch?

And what happens if you have a question and your instance has 10 users, while world has 3000?

remkit , 10 months ago

That’s not how federation works. You can still interact with lemmy.world and its users from another instance, but spreading out not only helps with lemmy.world’s load, but also the fediverse.

CapeWearingAeroplane , 10 months ago

Hello from sopuli.xyz! We are officially interacting:)

Fish , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Lemmy is a federated network (part of the Fediverse), meaning that, for the most part, all instances are linked together and share most of the same information and comments. If people move from one instance to another then their experience will be almost identical.

If you already have an account on Lemmy.world then you can transfer your account information to an account on a different instance by using one of the many tools created by Lemmy’s users. The reason you would move away from Lemmy.world is that it helps decentralize Lemmy’s data, so that if one instance goes down it doesn’t have a large impact on others’ Lemmy experience.

If you are using an instance with only 10 users, then here are some issues you might run into: there are less users to update the instance’s ‘communities’ page, so you might have to add some communities to the instance manually; there aren’t as many people maintaining the instance, so it might not be as well-maintained as some larger instances; the server costs might not be worth hosting for just 10 users (donate to your host, if you have the means to do so). However, there are a lot of smaller instances that are just as well-maintained as Lemmy.world (like Midwest.social).

I hope this helped you understand Lemmy a little better.

gabe , 10 months ago

I agree, but they plan on making a message on the sign up screen encouraging users but not stopping sign up so… 🤷‍♂️

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

without user friction (in this case, a thing that prevents a user from agreeing without reading a textbox with a link to join another lemmy instance, even if its by the same people) its pointless

HelloHotel , 10 months ago

or this will keep happening cloud-flare host down message

jeffhykin , 10 months ago

Instead of blocking sign-ups we can have Lemmy’s sign up automatically recommend other servers.

Another developer and I already have a PR in development for it.

Here’s the idea in more detail: lemm.ee/post/2800726

Aurix , 10 months ago

Wonderful compromise, love it. Thank you.

infotainment , 10 months ago

Attitudes like this are much worse for the health of the Fediverse, IMO.

A popular instance with users and content? Kill it immediately, we can’t risk people actually using the Fediverse.

morrowind , 10 months ago

The fact is, lemmy.world’s size is already actively harming the fediverse and it’s quite annoying. No one said to “kill it” just stop it from growing even more

TooLazyDidntName , 10 months ago

Its really unfortunate. Im working on setting up my own personal instance right now. Im really grateful for all the work Lemmy.world has done, but im just getting tired of not being able to use Lemmy maybe 1/8th of the time I open the app.

Just a +1 for decentralized social media. The fact that I can just set up my own instance when im not 100% happy with the one im currently on is awesome.

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Enjoy!

laughingm0n , 10 months ago

Right, and thats the issue. I host an instance but we only have a few users. Our instance does run very very well though because we don’t get a ton of user traffic.

hyper , 10 months ago

lemmy.world has been so unstable for that I decided to switch to another instance. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse though.
I setup my own Uptime Kuma Monitor for lemmy.world just for fun… the statistics are crazy https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/a2b5908f-5d16-482e-a9bd-11154237b5cb.webp

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Enjoy your new instance

hyper , 10 months ago

Thanks!

MonkderZweite , 10 months ago

Does the colored bar on top have a measure?

hyper , 10 months ago

I think it’s an hour but I’m not really sure. They are the most recent pings.

imaqtpie , 10 months ago

Oof that’s brutal. Didn’t realize it was that bad.

There’s a lot of small instances wanting to become medium/big instances and share the load, but people need to show a bit of initiative and join them. I just made this account, and here’s a list of a few other small servers with room to spare. YMMV but these all look pretty solid at a glance.

discuss.online lemmy.fmhy.net lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz lemmy.tf thelemmy.club lemmy.myserv.one

yumpoopsoup , 10 months ago

Can I transfer my subscribed list and anything else?

imaqtpie , 10 months ago

You can transfer your subscriptions using this tool, but your posts and comments obviously can’t be transferred.

github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

At least that’s what I’ve been told, I haven’t used it myself.

Artaca , 10 months ago

I keep hearing about people switching, but is it just registering a new account at another instance? I joined world but would gladly jump instances to something more stable.

TechnoBabble , 10 months ago

Just pick a mid-sized instance and there’s a 99% chance it’s more stable than Lemmy.world right now.

Look at users who don’t sound insane and see where they’re posting from.

sirfacefone , 10 months ago

What happens if that instance shuts down?

OneWomanCreamTeam , 10 months ago

I have accounts on multiple instances. My Lemmy app lets me just switch accounts easily if one is having issues.

hyper , 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Hey, sorry for the late reply.
You can either look at join-lemmy.org or lemmyverse.net to find a new instance.

I also found this tool that helps you to sync communities you’re subscribed to to other accounts on other instances: github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate

Edit: I found another migration tool which has a GUI, haven’t tested it yet though. github.com/CMahaff/lasim

Dasnap , 10 months ago

Are they suffering DDOS attacks? They might need something like Cloudflare to combat this. Maybe some kind of reverse-proxy if the attack isn’t super massive.

p0ppe , 10 months ago

Already running Cloudflare.

https://i.imgur.com/8xXGhdd.jpg

Dasnap , 10 months ago

Ah shite.

ThirdWorldOrder , 10 months ago

“Always Online” ™️

President_Pyrus , 10 months ago

That doesn’t really work for logged in users though, right?

L3s , 10 months ago

The current issue is actually an ongoing DB issue. It’s not solely affecting LW.

Annoyed_Crabby , 10 months ago

Yes. My instance will sometime have unusual high load and it will overload the cpu unless restarted. 0.18.3 doesn’t seems to fix it, and it only affect some instance but not all. It’s hard to pinpoint what cause the loop to happen.

kevtav , 10 months ago

sh.itjust.works to the rescue

Jakeroxs , 10 months ago

Yuh

SamC , 10 months ago

Or find a smaller instance. If everyone joins a bigger instance it’s just moving the problem

Boinketh , 10 months ago

I think we’ll be good if everyone splits up relatively evenly between the top 10-20 instances.

super_user_do , 10 months ago

Lemmy.world Is down, but Lemmy as a whole is still up and running. This is why I like the fediverse

ekZepp , 10 months ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/33d3351b-431e-47db-8ffe-15dbd3f61875.jpeg

AndreyAsimow , 10 months ago

It’s getting really annoying. Is there an mobile friendly way to migrate my account from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip?

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Hello,

Hm, I’m afraid at this moment the most common solution is github.com/CMahaff/lasim, which requires a computer. Would you be able to get access to one at some point later?

AndreyAsimow , 10 months ago

I have access to my work MacBook. Would that work?

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

I’m not an expert in Rust, but I guess it should!

CMahaff , 10 months ago

LASIM author here - it should! Though Mac OS X is the one platform I can’t test on myself - I can build it through Github, and everything I did should be cross-platform, but I can’t actually launch it myself to make sure everything is working fine.

Only other thing might be if their work Macbook imposes any restrictions on running arbitrary binaries from the internet - which it understandably might.

Zak8022 , 10 months ago

Ooh, I didn’t know about this, thank you. I’ve primarily been using kbin, but this sounds like a good tool to bookmark for the future.

danielton , 10 months ago

Unfortunately, I don’t think there is anything on mobile yet. The best tool for this is LASIM on desktop.

AndreyAsimow , 10 months ago

Thanks! Gonna have to find some way to get to a PC or Mac.

QuazarOmega , 10 months ago

If you’re on Android you can use Termux to run lemmy_migrate, it’s a Python script

Decoy321 , 10 months ago

You can always have multiple accounts

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

I guess the issue is to importing the huge list of blocked instances to the new account

Decoy321 , 10 months ago

I’ll concede, that’s a legitimately useful timesaver.

AndreyAsimow , 10 months ago

Yes, exactly. Blocked and subscribed as well

Marcbmann , 10 months ago

Why do you block instances? Sorry, new here

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

Because I have no interest in them, or they are NSFW and don’t tag properly, or they are duplicates with ones I already follow (technology communities are a good example)

skankhunt42 , 10 months ago

I personally follow all the technology communities and just show new subscribed content on my main page. Some content is the same but there’s a lot of different posts too.

It kind of sucks that there’s several sub’s with a lot of people but then again, that’s the point, right?

Blaze OP , 10 months ago

You do you, I just prefer to block them, as long as we are both happy, that’s what matters!