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Cloudygrey , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

The other night, my SO and I went out for dinner at a nearby place and there was literally a group of kids running laps through the tables while the parents just looked on.

No way am I saying don’t get your kids out for dinner but atleast enforce basic courtesy applicable in public spaces!!

scrubbles OP ,
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That’s where you take them to Applebee’s, somewhere where I’d expect kids to be running around. They shouldn’t, but I expect it. Fine dining no way should they be in that position

Perhaps , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

I have two kids- 7 and 8. Sometimes I want to get away from them (and everyone else’s kids too). If I had a spot like you described and it got co-opted I’d be pissed.

Ultimately it’s up to whoever owns the business though. I’m guessing the two hour waits mean more money for the business owner and barbers that work there.

Drusas , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

Because most people have children eventually. The rest of us are in the minority. Businesses want as much patronage as possible, so they don't target us.

pizza_rolls , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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I wish there were more adults only places/days. I am autistic and children are very overstimulating. Plus I like doing childish things so.... Gimme a no child night at an arcade or mini golf or something and I would be there so fast

scrubbles OP ,
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Agreed. God help you if you want to have a special date night at a mini golf place. Oh you wanted to have a romantic night? Sorry billy and Jimmy are going to just push you aside while they play. Their parents dropped them off and won’t be back for an hour

bandario ,
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It could be argued that these are children’s spaces and you should have no expectations of it being free from children, or romantic in any way.

OpenStars , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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There are some people whose idea of compromise is when the other party does what they say. Note: that was something explicitly said in USA politics at some point, but I honestly see it on both "sides", and surely happens in many other places in the world as well. I've seen parents literally lift up urine-soaked & still dripping children from non-plastic seats, only to either not leave a tip at all or like a bare minimum 10%, while leaving ~50-fold more mess spread out everywhere than any other table in the place (and not even tell the servers about the urine, which would need special cleansers to not become embedded into the furniture). My point is that it is not the children - the innocents - it is the parents, who are inflicting their choices onto you. And I suppose the owner too, but they are customers and what, are they supposed to just turn them away? Like gentrification, they come in and you can gtfo b/c they own the place now (childification?:-P)

Oh wow, it just struck me how much your story parallels what happened on Reddit too... aside from spez's antics, I likely would have left it anyway b/c all the children were taking over there too (they definitely are in charge of so many Discord servers). You can fight back (talk to the owner), or you can leave (maybe there is a place to get a haircut inside of a place of employment, where children are less likely to visit? or perhaps if you travel further away?), but definitely pick your battles b/c the kids, and more importantly their parents, aren't going to disappear anytime soon - if anything, the sort that you are talking about seem to be getting bolder all the time.:-( Maybe this is why people go to country clubs, to filter them out?

Ragnell , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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Because mom groups are filled with awful, awful people who don't care how their behavior affects others.

scrubbles OP ,
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It’ll be fun! We’ll take Jayden kaiden and Brayden and go get everyone hair cuts and we’ll get a chance to catch up!

Just please take them to great clips or something

tikitaki , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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if you wanna play pool and drink whiskey just go to a pool bar. i've never seen a kid at the billards hall i frequent

kids don't drink beer and play pool

kids get haircuts

scrubbles OP ,
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That was not the point at all, but I think you probably knew that

As mentioned in other comments, I go to this one barber because it’s the one of 30ish that caters specifically to adults. The other 29 are all very family friendly. However, knowing that, faced with 29 family friendly barbers and 1 not, people like yourself still are upset that the one is supposed to be adults only and try to flip it around on me that I’m the bad person for having the gall of wanting a quiet hair cut.

No, I’m tired of this argument. Parents already have the vast majority of places they get to take kids for. I’m tired of being the villain because I like having one option that isn’t kid friendly. Not all of them. Not half. Not even a few. I apparently don’t even get one place where I can sit quietly and get a haircut without a child running around.

sadreality ,

You are getting upset about something that you zero recourse against.

Literally they have a right to go there as much as anyone unless owners kick them out...

scrubbles OP ,
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I never said they weren’t allowed to be there. They have a “right” to be there.

But choosing to go to a place that is focused on adults when the other 95% are catered to families is entitled behavior.

I don’t go to Chuck e cheese and get upset that it’s family oriented, there are plenty of other options that are not family oriented I can choose to go to. I have the complete right to go there, but it’d be entitled of me to choose that place and want them to change their atmosphere for me.

NoIWontPickaName ,

Ironically you can not go to chuck e cheese if you are under 18 and not accompanied by an adult

drdiemz , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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Bro... children are a part of life, unfortunately you gotta get used to that

scrubbles OP ,
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Which is why I go out of my way to niche places that don’t have as many kids, I am inconveniencing myself to go to these niche places. There are a dozen other barber shops closer to me I could go to but I went to this one farther away because it had an adult vibe.

Even when I go out of my way to try to find the one place that fits me mom groups still push their way in.

That’s why I dislike this argument. I go to the one of 30ish barber shops around me because I wanted that atmosphere without kids and I’m still demonized because “kids are a part of life”. To me that comes off as "I know there are 29 others I could take my kids to, but you’re a bad person for not wanting kids at the only one that doesn’t cater to them "

piecat ,

It’s not like op is asking for adult only playgrounds.

Catch42 , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Let the business owner know that all of those kids are ruining the vibe that you patronize their business for. Solving this problem could be as easy as the barber shop offering something like a kids day where they don't serve whiskey and instead serve lemonade or something, allowing that day to be the main kids day.

I think you don't see those adult only places much any more because to most they have outlived their usefulness. There are 2 factors behind this. First, there are far fewer children around nowadays than before. When everyone had multiple children, adult only spaces were necessary if anyone wanted to get anything done. The second, and honestly a great thing from a childfree point of view, is that between birth control and abortion, most people who do have kids genuinely want them. I suspect that most of the demand for those adult only spaces in the past was from people who were seeking peace from their own kids. Of course all parents need breaks from their kids, but ever noticed that the people who complain the most about their children are the ones who had them out of obligation rather than desire?

Spiker ,

I have a kid and not by choice because even with birth control and abortion in a Christian family community you aren’t left with options.

Catch42 ,
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aw that sucks. No one should have to have kids for lack of real choices. I hope your kid is cute and easygoing.

Seathru ,
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because even with birth control and abortion in a Christian family community you aren’t left with options.

Those are both perfectly fine options. You are your own person, do what you want.

Marine_Mustang , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

Sorry to hear, and this isn’t going to help much, but sometimes going childfree can be an economic decision. My favorite place to stay in Las Vegas is Circa, and one of its features are no kids allowed. I don’t mean no small children, or just no children in the casino, I mean no one under 21 is even allowed past the door, ID is checked. Not in the hotel, not in the restaurants, not in the pool. And it’s a great pool.

Dungeondaddyd20 ,

Too bad it was built non-union

Ertebolle , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?

I don't even get why the mom groups would find it appealing - are the haircuts unusually good or cheap or something? Do the moms partake of the whiskey? There are hair salons just for kids, with Xboxes and everything - if you want to go somewhere and have your kids be able to run around like crazy people while they're getting haircuts, there are way better options.

BrambleDog ,

Generally barber shops that serve alcohol are in very upscale parts of town and a haircut and beard trim after tip and tax is probably to be close to about $70 bucks. Generally.

I am also very confused why people would take their kids to one of these places.

Anomander ,
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Probably, because it's a good chill space that serves drinks and they can socialize with their friends while Little Billy gets his haircut.

The same things that appeal to OP would also appeal to many adults that have children, even if those things are of no benefit to the kids themselves.

And the sort of person who'd take a kid to a venue like that, while ignoring how disruptive their kid is to the people normally there - that demographic overlaps pretty heavily to folks who also are completely fine paying $70 for a kids' haircut, because their own cut & colour or beard sculpting run a couple hundred.

smokinjoe , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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Let's expand childcare so it's not so prohibitively expensive!

dumples , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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I don't mind a well behaved young child at a brewery during the day. But running and playing tag inside is not okay. Especially if it's busy.

DontMakeMoreBabies ,

Sounds like OP has met bad parents? There are lots of them and they make shitty kids who run around like demons.

scrubbles OP ,
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I’ve seen kids who sit quietly at a brewery coloring. They are definitely the minority but it does happen.

What happens all the time are parent who think their kid is in the well behaved minority. I have yet to meet a parent who isn’t convinced that their kid is “one of the good ones”

NoIWontPickaName ,

Hi! My kids can be holy terrors, i will admit that.

It's why we don't go to many places together, like shopping especially, whenever possible.

Kid friendly places are different.

mutant , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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since the api protest, reddit is all adults now. all the feces-smearing toddlers moved here

Ertebolle ,

Wow, on here for 2 weeks and already -382 reputation points - you seem like a delightful fellow.

smokinjoe ,
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Damn. Even with the reputation points change they have that many negative points? I'm impressed.

mutant ,
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it would be even more negative but I had a joke about blind people get 100 upvotes

metaStatic ,

bet you didn't see that coming

mutant ,
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I guess no one saw the point of the joke

Entropywins ,
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What's the joke... anytime you have to explain a joke it gets waaay funnier... go ahead

kurogane ,
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1 upvote from me for your self-awareness. Damn…

Nougat ,

I bet I could do a hundred upvotes.

Neato ,
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I started noticing them today and they are 80% if the troll posts I see. Surprised they aren't banned yet.

Kara ,
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You seem to be the worst of them all

Unaware7013 ,

all the feces-smearing toddlers moved here

Yes, and you're here shitting up the thread and smearing feces on everything.

notjohnmarston ,

That explains why you’re here then

SGNL ,

I'm genuinely curious. Why are you here if you're just gonna complain about it constantly?

Do you intend your comments as humorous and I'm just not 'getting it'?
Like is it some weird trolling thing that gets you off?

I realize the chance that I get a honest answer is next to nil, but I'm still curious what you'd say.

Redhotkurt ,
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It's exactly that. Some people literally get off - as in they get sexually excited and then jerk off - by upsetting other people. I mean, I don't think they do it because it's something that turns them off. They want a quick easy fix, and saying offensive shit takes little effort. All it requires is the ability to type with one hand.

PillowTalk420 , in Why are there no "adults only" places anymore?
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The only truly adults only spaces are bars (like a bar, bar. Not the damn brewery restaurant) and nightclubs.

They suck in other ways without having children running amok, tho.

scrubbles OP ,
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I hate that breweries have changed to family restaurants. Because all of the family restaurants weren’t enough, they had to come for breweries too.

tal ,
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I mean, most people are going to raise kids at some point in their life.

I entirely get people who don't have kids around wanting to have establishments with "no kids" rules. That's great, nothing wrong with having an establishment that caters to them. But I also think that people who have kids should have options that cater to them as well, should be some establishments in the industry that do the same for them.

scrubbles OP ,
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Right, like almost every other barber shop in the country. This was one barber shop out of dozens around me that are all labeled as “family friendly”, but this is still the one they chose to come to.

I hear this argument a lot but the fact is that most places are family friendly, but when a restaurant wants to be explicitly adult only it makes national news.

tal ,
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You were talking about breweries rather than barber shops.

postmateDumbass ,

Actually you replied to OP who was certainly talking about a barber shop.

tal ,
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Not in the comment I responded to, he wasn't.

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