The other night, my SO and I went out for dinner at a nearby place and there was literally a group of kids running laps through the tables while the parents just looked on.
No way am I saying don’t get your kids out for dinner but atleast enforce basic courtesy applicable in public spaces!!
That’s where you take them to Applebee’s, somewhere where I’d expect kids to be running around. They shouldn’t, but I expect it. Fine dining no way should they be in that position
I have two kids- 7 and 8. Sometimes I want to get away from them (and everyone else’s kids too). If I had a spot like you described and it got co-opted I’d be pissed.
Ultimately it’s up to whoever owns the business though. I’m guessing the two hour waits mean more money for the business owner and barbers that work there.
Because most people have children eventually. The rest of us are in the minority. Businesses want as much patronage as possible, so they don't target us.
I wish there were more adults only places/days. I am autistic and children are very overstimulating. Plus I like doing childish things so.... Gimme a no child night at an arcade or mini golf or something and I would be there so fast
Agreed. God help you if you want to have a special date night at a mini golf place. Oh you wanted to have a romantic night? Sorry billy and Jimmy are going to just push you aside while they play. Their parents dropped them off and won’t be back for an hour
There are some people whose idea of compromise is when the other party does what they say. Note: that was something explicitly said in USA politics at some point, but I honestly see it on both "sides", and surely happens in many other places in the world as well. I've seen parents literally lift up urine-soaked & still dripping children from non-plastic seats, only to either not leave a tip at all or like a bare minimum 10%, while leaving ~50-fold more mess spread out everywhere than any other table in the place (and not even tell the servers about the urine, which would need special cleansers to not become embedded into the furniture). My point is that it is not the children - the innocents - it is the parents, who are inflicting their choices onto you. And I suppose the owner too, but they are customers and what, are they supposed to just turn them away? Like gentrification, they come in and you can gtfo b/c they own the place now (childification?:-P)
Oh wow, it just struck me how much your story parallels what happened on Reddit too... aside from spez's antics, I likely would have left it anyway b/c all the children were taking over there too (they definitely are in charge of so many Discord servers). You can fight back (talk to the owner), or you can leave (maybe there is a place to get a haircut inside of a place of employment, where children are less likely to visit? or perhaps if you travel further away?), but definitely pick your battles b/c the kids, and more importantly their parents, aren't going to disappear anytime soon - if anything, the sort that you are talking about seem to be getting bolder all the time.:-( Maybe this is why people go to country clubs, to filter them out?
That was not the point at all, but I think you probably knew that
As mentioned in other comments, I go to this one barber because it’s the one of 30ish that caters specifically to adults. The other 29 are all very family friendly. However, knowing that, faced with 29 family friendly barbers and 1 not, people like yourself still are upset that the one is supposed to be adults only and try to flip it around on me that I’m the bad person for having the gall of wanting a quiet hair cut.
No, I’m tired of this argument. Parents already have the vast majority of places they get to take kids for. I’m tired of being the villain because I like having one option that isn’t kid friendly. Not all of them. Not half. Not even a few. I apparently don’t even get one place where I can sit quietly and get a haircut without a child running around.
I never said they weren’t allowed to be there. They have a “right” to be there.
But choosing to go to a place that is focused on adults when the other 95% are catered to families is entitled behavior.
I don’t go to Chuck e cheese and get upset that it’s family oriented, there are plenty of other options that are not family oriented I can choose to go to. I have the complete right to go there, but it’d be entitled of me to choose that place and want them to change their atmosphere for me.
Which is why I go out of my way to niche places that don’t have as many kids, I am inconveniencing myself to go to these niche places. There are a dozen other barber shops closer to me I could go to but I went to this one farther away because it had an adult vibe.
Even when I go out of my way to try to find the one place that fits me mom groups still push their way in.
That’s why I dislike this argument. I go to the one of 30ish barber shops around me because I wanted that atmosphere without kids and I’m still demonized because “kids are a part of life”. To me that comes off as "I know there are 29 others I could take my kids to, but you’re a bad person for not wanting kids at the only one that doesn’t cater to them "
I'm sorry that happened to you. Let the business owner know that all of those kids are ruining the vibe that you patronize their business for. Solving this problem could be as easy as the barber shop offering something like a kids day where they don't serve whiskey and instead serve lemonade or something, allowing that day to be the main kids day.
I think you don't see those adult only places much any more because to most they have outlived their usefulness. There are 2 factors behind this. First, there are far fewer children around nowadays than before. When everyone had multiple children, adult only spaces were necessary if anyone wanted to get anything done. The second, and honestly a great thing from a childfree point of view, is that between birth control and abortion, most people who do have kids genuinely want them. I suspect that most of the demand for those adult only spaces in the past was from people who were seeking peace from their own kids. Of course all parents need breaks from their kids, but ever noticed that the people who complain the most about their children are the ones who had them out of obligation rather than desire?
Sorry to hear, and this isn’t going to help much, but sometimes going childfree can be an economic decision. My favorite place to stay in Las Vegas is Circa, and one of its features are no kids allowed. I don’t mean no small children, or just no children in the casino, I mean no one under 21 is even allowed past the door, ID is checked. Not in the hotel, not in the restaurants, not in the pool. And it’s a great pool.
I don't even get why the mom groups would find it appealing - are the haircuts unusually good or cheap or something? Do the moms partake of the whiskey? There are hair salons just for kids, with Xboxes and everything - if you want to go somewhere and have your kids be able to run around like crazy people while they're getting haircuts, there are way better options.
Generally barber shops that serve alcohol are in very upscale parts of town and a haircut and beard trim after tip and tax is probably to be close to about $70 bucks. Generally.
I am also very confused why people would take their kids to one of these places.
Probably, because it's a good chill space that serves drinks and they can socialize with their friends while Little Billy gets his haircut.
The same things that appeal to OP would also appeal to many adults that have children, even if those things are of no benefit to the kids themselves.
And the sort of person who'd take a kid to a venue like that, while ignoring how disruptive their kid is to the people normally there - that demographic overlaps pretty heavily to folks who also are completely fine paying $70 for a kids' haircut, because their own cut & colour or beard sculpting run a couple hundred.
I’ve seen kids who sit quietly at a brewery coloring. They are definitely the minority but it does happen.
What happens all the time are parent who think their kid is in the well behaved minority. I have yet to meet a parent who isn’t convinced that their kid is “one of the good ones”
It's exactly that. Some people literally get off - as in they get sexually excited and then jerk off - by upsetting other people. I mean, I don't think they do it because it's something that turns them off. They want a quick easy fix, and saying offensive shit takes little effort. All it requires is the ability to type with one hand.
I mean, most people are going to raise kids at some point in their life.
I entirely get people who don't have kids around wanting to have establishments with "no kids" rules. That's great, nothing wrong with having an establishment that caters to them. But I also think that people who have kids should have options that cater to them as well, should be some establishments in the industry that do the same for them.
Right, like almost every other barber shop in the country. This was one barber shop out of dozens around me that are all labeled as “family friendly”, but this is still the one they chose to come to.
I hear this argument a lot but the fact is that most places are family friendly, but when a restaurant wants to be explicitly adult only it makes national news.
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