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Emojis and Lemmy

Does anyone else think having emojis as a response to a comment/thread would be a neat addition instead of only upvote/downvote?

Reddit seemed to sorta do that with awards but thats not quite what I’m suggesting.

Something similar to GitHub for instance, except we keep the upvote downvote system as-is.

This would hopefully discourage the use of upvote/downvote as a “I like/dislike this” button while also adding the ability to more accurately express the emotion the post/comment illicited

Additionally, there are a lot of people who are mostly just lurkers and have no desire to post, but they want to be able to emote further then just a upvote/downvote but DON’T want to actually post a comment like “I love this” or “You’re so right” or even just commenting an emoji, because making a comment is a whole extra action that makes them visible, opens up to comments or upvotes/downvotes.

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Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

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rufus ,

I would like that. Only thing, we need to figure out a way to calculate a score for posts and comments to be able to sort them.

Jakeroxs OP ,

I feel like that would be a much harder aspect, which is why I was advocating to keep the upvote/downvote system unchanged.

Would certainly be interesting to think about how something like that could be accomplished though 👍

rufus ,

Having two competing systems in parallel maybe isn’t the best choice. People probably don’t want to click 2 buttons everytime. And then you lose their votes. Also this way the emojis are mere decoration and not something useful to grade the posts.

I read some people don’t like the way down-voting works. A new system would be a good opportunity to fix this and provide ways to distinguish between disapproval and wanting to lower visibility.

Idk. If it’s a well-made, elaborate new system. I’m okay to replace the old one.

I think some Fediverse software already has emoji reactions. Could be Misskey or Pleroma or something like that.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Eh, I think most would still use upvote and downvotes majority and add on with a emoji sometimes, just like awards on reddit, just without needing to pay for the ability to use them.

Again though, it would be interesting to think about some sort of system that replaces it altogether, but I don’t see a way to make that viable at the moment.

rufus ,

A first idea would be to have 3 categories of emojis. positive reactions (thumbsup, smiley, rocket, …), neutral ones (hat, …) and negative ones (vomiting, …). Together with a proper downvote symbol, this could map onto the old categories.

But that’d have to be transparent and intuitive. many users don’t want to learn about specifics. and what exactly votes and what’s decoration. It has to be obvious and work without learning things.

everett ,

Emojis don’t have fixed meanings. A better solution to what you’re asking for would be Slashdot-style moderation, where you can apply an upvote/downvote and specify a reason, and then the system would kind of average them together and say whether a comment is generally thought to be insightful, informative, trolling, etc.

Jakeroxs OP ,

I don’t see how that’d work within the framework of Lemmy/Reddit, that’d be a COMPLETE overhaul to the entire system

everett ,

I don’t entirely disagree, but at least it would be effective at its stated purpose of showing how people feel about a post.

Jakeroxs OP ,

I guess I’m not looking for additional moderation or something to that extent, just more ability to express a feeling or emotion without needing to make a full on comment and more expressive then up arrow or down arrow.

Imgonnatrythis ,

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sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Yes. Like what github does. It’d allow expressing agreement or a brief opinion, while supporting the “upvote if it’s interesting, not if you agree,” without forcing everyone to either resort to “me too” comments or being mute.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Exactly like that! Better example then Discord style thank you!

Pratai ,

No.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Have more specific thoughts on why? Seemed like quite a few people misunderstood what I was going for, I definitely could have better described it in the OP

Pratai ,

Because I don’t think lemmy is intended for 12 year old kids.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Lol that’s definitely an odd take but ok, didn’t know older people never used Emojis, TIL

Pratai ,

Older people that would like to be taken seriously, don’t use emojis.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Simply not true, I work with many older people and they like using emojis if they’re more techy, there’s nothing wrong with them, get over yourself.

Pratai ,

Don’t ask questions if you’re not willing to accept answers you don’t like. It shows your age. It’s no wonder you’re wanting emojis on lemmy.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Lmao, I accept your answer, I just disagree with your opinion from my lived experiences, you seem like you’re a lot of fun at parties.

I’m hoping for actual constructive criticism to the idea, not just “I don’t like emojis because Im an uptight ass”

Pratai ,

You don’t accept my answer. If you did, you wouldn’t be arguing with me about it. You asked an opinion-based question, I gave you mine. You delved, I obliged. And now you have a problem with it.

Grow up.

It’s reasons like this that emojis shouldn’t be allowed on lemmy. Leave that shit on twitter.

finn1sher ,
@finn1sher@mstdn.ca avatar

@Pratai @Jakeroxs I hardly use emojis and I don't accept your answer either, because the premise of "nobody old uses them if they want to be taken seriously" just isn't true.

If you base your argument around a fact, which turns out to be false, that's okay, just accept when people point that out, or look it up to confirm or deny your fact.

If you simply think emojis are immature and you don't like them, that's an opinion, which is more respectable.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Thanks, it’s definitely fair to state an opinion, I simply disagree with their opinion (which they’re definitely asserting as fact) and explained why I asked the additional question.

finn1sher ,
@finn1sher@mstdn.ca avatar

@Jakeroxs Yeah my response was directed at Pratai

Jakeroxs OP ,

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Pratai ,

Point out where I stated this as a fact.

Jakeroxs OP ,

lemmy.ca/comment/3653015

Pratai ,

Does everything everyone says need to prefaced with OPINION: [statement], or FACT: [statement], or can you just learn how to discern the fundamentals of social interaction?

Looking trough your comment history, you seem to have stated a LOT of opinions. Should I assume you’re suggesting they’re all factual?

Jakeroxs OP ,

I’m just gonna block and move on, if you really can’t see that you’re asserting that it’s a fact that only children or immature people would use Emojis, you should reevaluate how you talk to people.

Pratai ,

K.

Pratai ,

that’s an opinion

Exactly. Which is what I stated. Question asked- question answered. OP just didn’t like my answer after asking why.

I wasn’t aware it was: “answer only if you agree.” Had this been stated, I’d have ignored the question and moved on.

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

Correct.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Do you have more specific thoughts as to why not?

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

Emojis are the cruel heartless face of enshittification and a call to summon the children, normies, Facebook moms, and profiteers. We just Left reddit, allow us to rest our weeping bones.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Ok so same as the other person, just hate emojis for some reason.

I’d just like to point out that techies were using emoticons back when those groups thought the Internet was a series of tubes.

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

Emojis are the feeling of Corporate Grandma yelling yeetSwagBuxx. It's artificial, forced, and clean language approved by HR.

Jakeroxs OP ,

It also doesn’t require making a comment, and is fun to use for many people 🤷‍♂️

Tolookah ,

☹️

Jakeroxs OP ,

Lol

fishos ,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

If you want the fediverse to grow, it needs content. Emoji responses are some of the lowest effort engagement you can have. That’s just asking for a race to the bottom.

Encourage more substantial responses, not less.

Jakeroxs OP ,

I mean, is it really any different then upvote and downvote? Why even have that functionality if we should be focusing on requiring everyone to write a reply? :p see how that logic doesn’t really make sense?

qprimed ,

well… I think many people use up/down voting as a continued engagement driver (visibility and whatnot). would you also propose filters/sorting for emoji reaction (most hearted, etc)? my biases tend toward simplicity and reactions outside of actual replies “just don’t do it for me”.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Fair enough, I think it would give the option to more accurately express a reaction over just “I like/don’t like this” which I know isn’t really what the upvote/downvote system is supposed to be used as but uh… It is what ends up happing lol

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

I didn’t see the point of what you were saying until you mentioned it would be a way to express disagreement without calling the post itself bad and/or limiting its reach.

(I notice that’s what’s happening in this post: people don’t like the idea, so they downvote, which I think is uncalled for because it means we can’t distinguish low-effort spam and trolling from valid but unpopular ideas like yours.)

Jakeroxs OP ,

Bingo

qprimed , (edited )

it means we can’t distinguish low-effort spam and trolling from valid but unpopular ideas like yours.

Bingo

valid.

edit to say that anything to get up/down votes back to meaning “this is relevant / interesting, (even if I don’t agree or like)” would be useful.

xmunk ,

I think that when Facebook swapped like and dislike out for the set of five emoji responses they noticeably reduced the feedback it was possible to leave on a post. They removed the ability to disagree with a post and turned every response into an affirmation of some kind.

I’d prefer not to degrade lemmy in the same way.

Jakeroxs OP , (edited )

I would definitely advocate for both, not removing upvote downvote at all

Like I mentioned on another reply, I’m thinking more akin to discord wherein you can upvote/downvote but also add 1 emoji if you’d like

ryan ,

I think it could be fun if it were opt-in per community, similar to custom awards on Reddit but free. The downside would be losing compatibility with other ActivityPub implementations (although FireFish does have emoji reactions so implementing it the same way as FF would help to set a standard).

Jakeroxs OP ,

Right, it would be something that could be implemented and understood more widely, if we never push the envelope in the name of interoperability, we won’t ever move forward. Obviously it can and should be done intelligently, not advocating to break everything with every change or anything like that

Jakeroxs OP ,

I’m actually curious what does the upvote/downvote button equate to for other activitypub implementations?

ryan ,

Upvote is like a Mastodon favorite, and should be used similar to a favorite across other ActivityPub implementations. Boost, likewise, is common across other implementations.

(Fun fact though: kbin originally had these reversed - upvote performed a boost, and what is now called "boost" was originally favorite! This was switched a bit ago for better interoperability with Lemmy and other AP implementations.)

Downvote, to my knowledge, is a unique implementation to Lemmy/kbin.

baduhai ,

No thanks. Up and downvotes is all Lemmy needs, keep it simple.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

I wouldn’t mind seeing tags for posts to categorizes discussions in a community tho,

Nemo ,

IIRC it’s going to be added

baduhai ,

Yeah, but tags are a type of reaction. OP is talking about reactions to posts and comments.

Tags would be great to have.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Right, tags are a different concept, I do mean just a reaction option in addition to upvote or downvote

Illecors ,

No, I don’t think that. I like that Lemmy is not facebook, or whatsapp, or instagram, or youtube, ir reddit.

Jakeroxs OP ,

Adding emojis as an optional response not requiring a comment (and not removing or interacting with the upvote/downvote system) wouldn’t make Lemmy as a whole anything like Facebook whatsapp Instagram or YouTube, that’s a very weird thing to say.

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