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atro_city ,

Israel just made it impossible to get through security...

InternetCitizen2 ,

Mehhh. Most if it is theater. You’re just as safe as you always have been.

TootSweet ,

You should understand that what happened in Lebanon involved the government of Isreal physically modifying the pagers (and walkies) in question by adding explosives to them, turning them into remote-triggerable bombs.

(The term “supplychain attack” has been used a lot to describe this attack. Isreal intercepted the order of pagers between when the order was placed and when the pagers were delivered. And either physically altered the pagers ordered or replaced them with altered/tampered-with pagers.)

peepo ,
@peepo@lemmy.world avatar

This is true, I’m Lebanese and the pagers of yesterday and the talkie walkie of today are primarly used by Hezbollah members and probably were acquired illegaly and rigged.

Now the only thing on my mind is this: can they do that to phones, without the phones being rigged? I’m only asking this because me and my family all own Samsungs and I remember the Note 7 exploding.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Batteries catch fire. Very large ones, or many cells together can mean a very hot, very dangerous fire, with the occasional violence of a cell bursting.

Being in close contact with something like a phone when that happens would cause burns, but they don’t “explode” with very much force. (Relatively speaking. You wouldn’t get lethal fragmentation for example, I don’t think)

The note 7 batteries didn’t really go boom in the way an actual explosive does, though the reaction is a sudden and fast release of thermal energy, its not that much energy in terms of explosive devices.

So no. You can’t “hack” a phone and turn it into a bomb using just the hardware that is already inside. You could start a fire, and that could be deadly, but as an explosive device the battery in most phones is not that potent.

TootSweet ,

Wow. Jeez. I’m sorry this is so close to you.

can they do that to phones, without the phones being rigged?

I’m not any kind of expert. But as others in this post have said, theoretically… possibly technically yes. If the firmware can be modified remotely to cause the phone to allow, for instance, overcharging the battery, then it’s possible the phone could be made to explode without physical access to the phone.

How likely it is that you or your family specifically would be targeted, I couldn’t say. It seems unlikely…? And we don’t have specific knowledge that Isreal has tried any such attacks that didn’t involve direct physical access to the devices which later exploded. (And also no indication they’ve targeted any Samsung devices.)

Again, I’m no expert, but if you wanted to take precautions, I’m thinking the precautions to take would be to put any mobile devices that contain rechargeable batteries and have wireless connectivity far away from your house and your family and stick to devices with no batteries (and preferably ones you’ve had for a “long time”) for a while.

I’m sorry you’re in a situation where you’re having to weigh these risks. Again, it seems unlikely that you and your family could be in danger regarding ostensibly-stock Samsung phones that you’ve had for a while.

Also, no condemnation is strong enough for this indiscriminate attack by Isreal on the people of Lebanon. Netanyahu must really be heartless to have authorized this. I hope this results in real pressure on Isreal to stop its indiscriminate terrorist acts.

Good luck and stay safe.

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

Please see current state of politics in US where sheriffs are taking names of those with opposing views. These people are playing a long game. Don’t fool yourself it couldn’t easily happen here in US or is not already set up to do so. I am not a conspiratorial type but just looking at the facts.

Aatube ,

Ah yes, being heavily criticized for encouraging people to send illegal immigrants to Democrats' houses is the same thing as setting up an explosives front

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

See Holocaust and Kristallnacht en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

hperrin , (edited )

Technically, yes, but only in that your battery can be explosive, given the right circumstances. Really, they’re more highly combustible than explosive. They can burn very very hot and very quickly, but they won’t detonate.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

If you bought a pager or walkie talkie that was part of a batch of pagers ordered specifically by Hezbollah through a Mossad front, then yes. Be careful if you bought a second device of that kind from Lebanon recently.

Otherwise, probably not.

As for phones, the whole reason the Mossad bugged pagers was because Hezbollah told their members to get rid of their phones because they believed Israel could track them (which, given the many espionage and offensive hacking companies in Israel, is probably true). Unless the terrorists also ordered phones through this Mossad front, I don’t expect any phones to explode.

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

Well I didn’t expect to see where pagers, radios and walkie-talkies were going to explode. It is a whole new world.

slazer2au ,

In the strictest sense, no.

In the abstract, yes. Lithium ion batteries can be pretty violent if abused. Remember the Samsung Note phones?

bandwidthcrisis ,

xkcd.com/651/

Late2TheParty ,
@Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

I less than three XKCD!

TheButtonJustSpins ,

Phone, yes: your battery can explode / light an intense fire. Watch, depends on the watch.

random_character_a , (edited )
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

This. Not so explosive unless sufficiently confined, but still dangerous. Just Google: lithium ion battery knife.

kat_angstrom ,

Depends on the brand. If it was secretly manufactured by any particular nation’s secret military service, then Maybe.

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

Was wondering about possibility of this after Lebanon pager explosions.

TachyonTele , (edited )

That happened ten years ago.

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

No, yesterday. What we know about the pagers that exploded in Lebanon and Syria

TachyonTele ,

My bad I was mixing it up with a different article

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

And now walkie talkies lemm.ee/post/42616898

fjordbasa ,

No… why on earth would they? And what is “asking for the civilized world” even supposed to mean?

JimmyBigSausage OP ,

And now radios lemm.ee/post/42616898

fjordbasa ,

Ok? This is a community for asking open ended questions. I don’t see how any of this is relevant.

sgibson5150 ,

This is a pretty fucking reasonable question right now.

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

If you cobsider the battery as an explosive then yes

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