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Are you not annoyed by Lemmy's constant glitches?

On the instance I’m using, my comments and posts have disappeared. It is ok?

I had a few helpful comments here that I saved, but it’s all gone.

Having got used to the stability in Mastodon I was surprised by such things in Lemmy as:

Unable to log into your account through the app after an update on the server.

Unable to log into your account through the app if your instance version is out of date.

Just because you’ve created a post or written a comment doesn’t mean other Lemmy users will see it.

I have to constantly check to see if my messages are visible on other instances.

You also need to have many sub-accounts on different instances in case some of the primary instances are unavailable.

xmunk ,

Seems super stable to me, might be the client smoothing it out.

otter , (edited )

Yea I haven’t noticed much

Boost for Lemmy & web app

The 0.19 update was special since it modified the auth stuff. But a quick log out and in was all I needed.

The comments not appearing on other instances is a fair point, but I imagine something similar happens on Mastodon as well

kakes ,

Could also be issues with their particular instance - particularly the “instance out of date” one.

ninjan ,

I’m self-hosting and it has been ridiculously smooth coupled with Voyager as my mobile app. Now I understand that a single user instance is a lot easier to handle than a multi-user one so I naturally don’t have any experience or opinion on how Lemmy instances scale with users in terms of stability.

Sticker OP ,

Right now, another bug has manifested itself. Your message is shown in the “Replies” tab in Jerboa’s inbox, but it is not visible in the comments of the message thread.

For a few months, I couldn’t log into this instance through apps.
Yesterday, the lemmy.today instance stopped sending posts and messages to the Lemmy network. I only found out about it when I logged in through another instance in asklemmy and saw that my post wasn’t in the community.

eldain ,

This happened to me when my language settings weren’t set. You can’t even access them in jerboa, log in with a browser and check if English is selected besides default. And whatever else you wish to see.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You also need to make sure undetermined is checked

communist ,
@communist@beehaw.org avatar

Not at all, it was annoying for a few weeks when reddit imploded but since then I haven’t had any problems.

zkfcfbzr ,

One that’s gotten me a few times is if you’re typing a reply to someone, either in the comments or a PM, then mid-typing you upvote (or downvote) them (or anyone else), it deletes your comment-in-progress. I’ve lost a few comments that way, one of which took about 20 minutes to write which I just gave up on and didn’t post afterward.

I also really don’t like that the default language option is “Undetermined”. It makes not labeling the correct language the default behavior, which makes a lot of foreign language material show up in my feed. Your own post and 2 of the 4 comments at the time of me posting are unlabeled.

Sticker OP ,

I have to save written messages to notepad to prevent something like this from happening. And now I’ve started taking screenshots of comments that are important to me instead of hitting the “Save” button.

“Undetermined”

I don’t like it either. I would like the feed to show posts only in my language. I asked my instance admin and he said there was nothing he could do about it.

(It would also be useful to add tags to posts to filter out unwanted content…)

zkfcfbzr ,

If you remove “Undetermined” as a language on your profile, then all the unlabeled foreign language content should stop showing up for you. The problem is that all the unlabeled English content would also stop showing up for you, then. That’s why having “Undetermined” be the default option is not good - it only makes the problem worse.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Thunder recently got post and comment draft saving. If you exit out of writing a comment or post, and then come back, the text is still there.

You can even have multiple replies to multiple comments in progress, and it keeps em separate.

siipale ,

On the positive note that gives you an opportunity to learn new languages. Maybe you understand one word in a meme post and that’s enough to understand it. Maybe you look up what does it say in the post if you find it interesting. Not really an effective way to learn in itself but a way to expose yourself to foreign languages.

xarexyouxmadx ,

I’m on Lemmy.world & using the eternity app I haven’t had any real issues yet but it’s only been about 2 months for me since I started using this platform.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S ,
@PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren’t the only ones. I.e., I’d post or comment something and check from any other instance, and it was like I never posted/commented at all. Fortunately, it seems to have gotten fixed over Christmas Eve.

Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.

Lmaydev ,

Man, what sort of psycho does a release on Xmas eve. I try and avoid doing at after 3pm haha

pineapplelover ,

I’m on lemm.ee with eternity app also

pruwybn , (edited )
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You might want to check with an admin on your instance about those issues. I haven’t run into anything like that.

Edit: I guess I spoke too soon. Five days later and apparently this comment never made it out of my instance.

Fizz ,
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I’ve not experienced any of the issues you mention. Why do you have to check other instances to see if your comments are visible. Trust that they will be eventually.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S ,
@PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I have wildly more patience for Lemmy’s glitches than I do for Reddit’s. Lemmy’s devs are working on a shoestring budget with just a few people trying to prop up a whole social network. The project is still pretty early in its life cycle.

Lmaydev ,

A lot of the mentioned issues are caused by instances having different versions.

This could be fixed with API versioning. As in you support the last couple versions of the API rather than only the new one.

pixelscript ,

I believe this most recent update to v0.19 was somewhat unique in the regard of login incompatibility across versions, as major breaking changes to authentication itself were the focus of it.

Sticker OP ,

Since your reply to the post for xarexyouxmadx is not visible from this instance, I will reply here.

We at SDF had some outgoing federation issues recently, and we weren’t the only ones.

Has this problem gone unresolved for a long time?
Right now, a similar issue with the instance lemmy.today

Also, my original instance (vlemmy) literally deleted itself in July.

The first instance I was registered on doesn’t exist anymore either. It was celeb.pizza

magnetosphere , (edited )
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Exactly. Those people are paid salaries. They have teams working on things. When something is allowed to go wrong, someone either didn’t do the job they’re paid for, or they’re incompetent/apathetic. They’re using proven software that’s been around a while.

When there’s a problem with a Lemmy instance, then maybe the one person responsible was at the job that actually pays their rent. They’re working with beta software that’s full of “surprises”.

rufus , (edited )

Maybe you should ask your admin in !meta or !chat what’s up with the specific errors on your instance. Maybe they had some problems operating it. You can always switch instances. My posts never disappear without reason. (They can also be removed if they violate the terms of an instance or community.)

The other issues also annoy me. Federation is somewhat broken and posts and comments often don’t propagate to other instances since Lemmy version 0.19.0 (and 0.19.1 which should have fixed that.) It’s the fault of the Lemmy developers to release a broken update. We’ll see if they continue doing that or if they have learned something. I think they want to hire a third full-time developer. Maybe that helps.

The need to re-login and unable to login with an older client happened once. Things like that can happen if bigger changes are made. I don’t think this will become a regular thing. And it’s not that annoying in my eyes. Most importantly clients have to handle that correctly and give a meaningful error message and guide you to the login page. But some proper error handling is also missing here.

So: Yes. The things you mentioned also annoy me. Lemmy has still lots of room for improvement. And it’s nowhere near other federated platforms. I hope the Lemmy devs aren’t repeating the most annoying mistakes and fix federation soon so this can be an issue of the past…

Lmaydev ,

I’m on programming.dev and using boost and have only had a couple issues.

Occasional downtime.

I had a weird one where I had someone else’s subscriptions and it gave a wrong user error every time I commented.

As for the apps. Unless they specifically code it to detect and handle the version it’s going to break. Changes to the required input or the output between versions are going to break apps.

That’s kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Overall it’s been great. But it do keep an account on lemmy.world incase my one goes down.

Sticker OP ,

Looks like I’ll have to get an account on one of the big instances like lemmy.world as they have less problems.

I also have the boost app installed which I use with the fanaticus.social instance. Today when I try to post a comment I get an error “Incorrect login”.

That’s kind of the price you pay for running as a collection of instances and not a single one.

Do similar problems exist in Mastodon and Misskey?

MentalEdge , (edited )
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The app? There are many, many clients for Lemmy. Thunder is able to handle multiple versions and multiple accounts on multiple instances. This is a client API implementation limitation of whatever client you are using. Not Lemmy itself.

As for the federation issues, they are being worked out. Each major version has improved the internal server logic, improving the reliability of the inter-instance communication. But the changes have also come with kinks, that have had to be worked out with each sub-version update, before the team bites off on the next big improvement.

v19 introduced changes to how the federation queue works, and these are currently causing higher resource usage than before. Because of this, some instances seem to be falling behind on syncing federated content.

Sticker OP ,

When do you think Lemmy will reach the same stability as Mastodon?

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

With the current tiny team, at least a year out. Probably more.

With improved functionality, adoption will likely improve, with improved adoption interest in developing it should improve… Once that feedback loop gets going things can go very fast.

The reddit migration has seeded Lemmy with a bunch of competent client apps, and developers to work on them (I’ve personally contributed to Thunder). But it didn’t do much for the development of Lemmy itself.

Mastodon has achieved critical mass among developer interest, I think, and is teetering on the edge of becoming a real mainstream option. When I first tried it many years ago, it was near unusable for the average normal person. And while it is now much better, it’s been years. Lemmy is a lot closer to the start of that same road.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’ve made the assessmeny that the growing pains are worth weathering, because Lemmy as a platform and wider community gives me much more joy than any big corpo platform I’ve ever tried.

redcalcium ,

Sounds like your instance have federation issue, probably due to v0.19.0 updates. The latest version, v0.19.1, supposed to fix those federation issues. Not sure what’s the server specs of your instance, but v0.19.x has increased database ram usage compared to previous versions, so if the instance is hosted on a tiny server, the admin may need to do some tinkering to make sure the federation process doesn’t crash due to out-of-memory issue.

rufus , (edited )

Unfortunately, seems like 0.19.1 didn’t fix it. I still have issues on some instances and posts. There is still something wrong with federation. Hope it gets fixed soon.

TrickDacy ,

The main issue I’ve had is occasional slowness. Haven’t seen the issues you are seeing.

jacktherippah ,

That’s lemmy.world having problems =)

TrickDacy ,

Right. Yeah, it is a little frustrating. A few months ago it was way worse though. But hopefully they smooth things out over time. Beauty of the fediverse though is that if not, we can always switch instances

JimmyBigSausage ,

Looking at you lemm.ee

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